Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: manna2

your quote,,It is passed as an aeresol. is wrong,,

unless u count "projectile Vomit" as an "aeresol" which actuall denotes "pressurized" containment.

aeresol,,,no,,,

Text Ebola virus causes hemorrhagic fever with case fatality rates as high as 80 percent in humans. The virus, which is infectious by aerosol(although more commonly spread through blood and bodily fluids of infected patients), is of concern both as a global health threat and a potential agent of biological warfare or terrorism. 

a reply to: manna2

by aerosol

a reply to: 00nunya00

I was being 100% sarcastic about the drapes & couldn't agree more about the ludicrousness of it.

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: manna2

by aerosol

and i guess you have a point. Or now you agree?

The flu of1917 killed 30 million people in few month .


Ebola can easy kill billion if it spead. Cross immunity. Is when person face flu. But Ebola.people have no cross immunity or herd immunity. Only some people in Africa have cross immunity to Ebola and that's why it doesn't flare hard there.

a reply to: 00nunya00

Saw another angle on this video that shows a camera man about 10-15 ft
away filming this...he had NO mask-gloves-suit ect. So tell me how this
camera man was able to be within range of this infected man yet everyone else is suited up to the hilt?

originally posted by: manna2

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: manna2

by aerosol

and i guess you have a point. Or now you agree?

"aeresol" which actuall denotes "pressurized" containment.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and,,

aeresol,,,no,,,

no,,

originally posted by: BobAthome

originally posted by: manna2

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: manna2

by aerosol

and i guess you have a point. Or now you agree?

"aeresol" which actuall denotes "pressurized" containment.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and,,

aeresol,,,no,,,

no,,

you told me it was not aeresol. I quoted from usamriid.

you arent making any sense.

originally posted by: adnanmuf
The flu of1917 killed 30 million people in few month .


Ebola can easy kill billion if it spread. Cross immunity. Is when person face flu. But Ebola.people have no cross immunity or herd immunity. Only some people in Africa have cross immunity to Ebola and that's why it doesn't flare hard there.

originally posted by: Eunuchorn
a reply to: 00nunya00

I was being 100% sarcastic about the drapes & couldn't agree more about the ludicrousness of it.

Oh, lol, that went right over my head!

Also:
Minnesotans scramble travel plans because of Ebola outbreak

As alarm grows over the deadly Ebola outbreak in West Africa, families in Minnesota’s large Liberian community are scrambling for plane tickets and visas to get relatives out of the stricken zone and at least two Twin Cities churches have canceled mission trips intended to deliver medical and other aid to Liberia.

Russell, a Liberian native, also is trying to help his brother escape the virus and travel to Minnesota. But flights are booked up and fares are skyrocketing, he said. “I know a number of people trying to get their relatives out,” Russell said. “There is this wave of anxiety.”

More than 30,000 people of Liberian descent live in Minnesota, primarily in the northwestern suburbs including Brooklyn Park, which is home to one of the largest Liberian populations outside of Africa.

As a precaution, however, Brooklyn Park officials last week announced that firefighters and police officers will wear eye shields and facemasks, as well as gloves, when responding to calls involving flulike symptoms. That policy, which some residents feared could stigmatize members of the city’s large Liberian population, sparked sharp discussion at a meeting last week and again on Sunday.

So here we have tens of thousands of people trying to get as many relatives out of ground zero as possible, worrying more about being stigmatized than they are about not spreading the disease. Again, people are not going to be encouraged to seek medical help until they are already bleeding out and they know for sure it's not just the flu. In fact, they are going to be shamed for a possible "overreaction." Gravy.

a reply to: manna2

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: manna2

your quote,,It is passed as an aeresol. is wrong,,

unless u count "projectile Vomit" as an "aeresol" which actuall denotes "pressurized" containment.


unless u count "projectile Vomit" as an "aeresol"

projectile vomit is not an aeresol type of release,,,

a hair spray can is under pressure and that condition is caled in an "aeresol" state .

if u put Ebola in an aeresol state,,yes it is dangerous,,

man in suit was not a spray can.

The aerosol of common cold stay suspended midair for hours and even days moving with nearby movement such as open the door or close it(negative and positive pressure. )THEN Leave the room down the hallway even go outside hang on trees. For some passing bye to travel with it to. New place.this was the story of the wandering aerosol.

Or a sneeze.
And if you take it further since they mentioned terrorism, maybe like a spray can? I an
m guessing. But that comes from usamriid. And they say aeresol. Take it up with them. You say projectile vomit. They DID NOT. Take it up with them. The onus is on you to prove your point. You are not an usamriid scientist.a reply to: BobAthome

If you can't see it, it's not there.
obviously.

I said this in one of the other numerous ebola threads, but when was last time you were sick or had a runny nose?

Have you any idea how easily mucus molecules spread through the air?

originally posted by: adnanmuf
The aerosol of common cold stay suspended midair for hours and even days moving with nearby movement such as open the door or close it(negative and positive pressure. )THEN Leave the room down the hallway even go outside hang on trees. For some passing bye to travel with it to. New place.this was the story of the wandering aerosol.

thank you. 2nd line.

a reply to: manna2

Would you provide a link please.

I have a question, hopefully one of our resident medical experts can answer it for me:

We keep hearing that this is not contagious until a person is showing symptoms. Is this because there isn't a single virus cell in any of their saliva or sweat until symptoms show up? What I'm getting at is whether or not body fluids have even the slightest chance of passing the virus without symptoms? I understand that the sneezing and coughing and whatnot is obviously going to be filled with the virus, but is it not already in your body fluids even before symptoms? I assume it spreads through the body via the bloodstream, which feeds all of those organs and glands that create sweat and spit; is it actually just "highly unlikely" that asymptomatic peoples' fluids contain the disease, or totally impossible?

You would need to imagine an unseen cloud of aerosol in a room of a person coughing. Because of cold TB etc. It's not the same aerosol of air Freshener. It's much smaller it's unseen.

But regardless.it's not the airborne that are more infectious (aka contagious ).it's the others. So media and even Gupta lie. Shame on them. Red Herring!

Every person who was near infected is considered contagious until the time that he does not fall sick.then he is let go.

a reply to: BobAthome

Bob, i wish i could answer your last question. I honestly do not know. I am an environmental scientist, not a microbiologist. I've only had a few semesters of micro, but I took my anatomy and physiology classes from a viral epidemiologist. I very nearly chose that as a major, until I realized that I did not want to have the crap scared out of me on a daily basis. I chose nursing instead, then switched majors just before my last semester.

My semi-educated guess is that the loss of tissue connectivity is due to the lysing of the cells as the virus replicates. Layman's terms, the virus takes over the cell, and the cell creates many copies of the virus before basically exploding.

Typically, and let me be clear that I am *not* saying that this is the case with this strain of Ebola, an individual is most infectious in the prodromal stage. That is when symptoms first begin to manifest themselves. In ebola, those symptoms would be. fever, sweating, nausea/vomiting, and diarrhea. Then comes the maculopapular rash and bleeding. If this particular strain of Ebola (and i am completely convinced that this *is* a new strain or is very rapidly on its way) follows typical pathological profiles, when an infected individual starts sweating and puking, that person is most definitely infectious.

Harping on the differences between infectious/contagious is symantics, at best. I do not know what the hell is going on but this whole fiasco has been a comedy of errors. Firstly, you do not EVER intentionally introduce a hemorrhagic fever of Ebola's caliber to a new continent. Secondly, that man walked under his own power out of a PUBLIC ambulance across a parking lot escorted by non-PPE individuals. What if he had fallen? Those suits are not that thick, nor are they kevlar. They do tear. Thirdly, with an incubation period as varied as ebola (2-21 days) any attempt to "screen" at airports is wanton hubris, at best. The very first symptom displayed is likely to be a cough. When that cough happens, there is a reasonably good chance that it will happen as the plane cruises at 30,000 feet.

The most insidious ability of Ebola's is not the fact that it makes you bleed out of every hole you have plus a few custom-made ones, its that it can take as little as ONE individual virus to infect you. Let that sink in real good.

It's like they are doing their damndest to let this beast out to play and I do not like their carelessness one bit. We dodged a hell of a bullet with Ebola Reston, and the only reason we did was by a sheer fluke of mutation. We did not do anything with Reston. Chance did, and personally I do not like to trust chance twice.

Apologies if there are any errors i did not catch...it is difficult (for me) to post long posts via tethered android...and right now that is all I have.