NASA Confirms New EM Thruster Violates Laws Of Conservation

Wha... wha... whaaaat? The EM thruster was pretty "wow" worthy. And then the "cold fusion."

I was mildly interested in a new, likely impractical, process that produced more energy than was entered... and then I read it.

So, our energy concerns are being answered... in a nutshell. This is so very wonderful... if accurate, of course.

Been a long time coming... I hope this is true and not 'disappeared' by the gas-oil industry, but I assume they have kids, too.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

Wow incredible, I cannot wait to never hear anything else about this 'revolutionary' breakthrough....just like the hundreds before it swept under the rug.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

I wouldn't get too excited, this is hardly a game changer.

In the article the Chinese equivalent to this thruster only generated 72 grams of thrust-and if my caveman grasp of physics are correct-it wouldn't even get off the ground and it would still need conventional rockets to get it into orbit.
Maybe then it would find it's feet but the acceleration would be painstakingly slow.

We could also interpret this another way, and say that the device proves the existence of an aether, because that's what it's apparently pushing against. "quantum vacuum virtual plasma" is another term for "aether."

In any respect, this is yet ANOTHER proven violation of the so-called "laws" of physics. These "laws" are obviously not real laws at all. They are assumptions.

For starters, Aether fell out of favor long before Einstein arrived. And Einsteins theories have been tested time and time again, so they are hardly an assumption. Quantum physics may march to a different drummer but we know enough to know that some of these 'assumptions' are certainties.

originally posted by: ausername
They need to find a way to make it their own invention, without having to give credit to the inventor.

Can't let some nobody profit from a potentially lucrative invention.

Bet the legal departments and NASA contractors are working overtime on it.

Lol. nice one and could be true

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

The currently known laws are not the most complete ones. CERN proves it constantly. Sure in the Universe there are many more laws we don't know about. Just for example, the dark matter that was invented because our calculations can't account for all the forces in the Universe and the mass appears to be"missing".
Good NASA admit something of that. More is needed though. Zero point energy and the rest of stuff talked about by the insiders. I wonder how is possible so long time to keep status quo of a Physics that apparently misses the big picture. Seems the salaries and career of mainstream scientists are more important than making good science. Whoever dared to propose something different was ridiculed and kicked out of "scientific community". Read professor Kip Thorne.
Hope that time comes to an end.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

Tesla did this years ago!

originally posted by: Griffo515
a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

Wow incredible, I cannot wait to never hear anything else about this 'revolutionary' breakthrough....just like the hundreds before it swept under the rug.

If it works, you'll never hear the end of it.

Look at "cold fusion" back in the 1980s. That wasn't swept under the rug. Any scientist in the world who wanted to replicate it, could. They tried and found it didn't work.

Same with this. Any scientist can repeat experiments. That's the thing about science: it works the same no matter who sets up the experiment. It doesn't care what country you are from or whether you work for a government, a university or in your own garage.

Governments CANNOT COVER UP SCIENCE. It is totally ridiculous to claim otherwise.

If someone can create a free energy producer, all they need to do is use it and demonstrate it, and give it to other scientists to test.


A question for the believers: does BlackLight Power pay a utilities provider for electricity to its offices?


If this propulsion system works, it can hardly be covered up now, can it, because NASA have gone on record as having tested it.

Governments CANNOT COVER UP SCIENCE. It is totally ridiculous to claim otherwise.

WRONG!!!

See 9/11 for an example.

QED.

a reply to: Rob48

Actually cold fusion does work, as you can see by the NASA video link in the OP.

MIT recently offered a course on it.

coldfusionnow.org...

Cold fusion is often referred to as LENR - or low energy nuclear reactions.

"Black Holes & Time Warps: Einstein's Outrageous Legacy"
by Kip S. Thorne

This book alone gives an excellent review of the second half 20th century Physics, the directions it was purposely developed, and those it was kept out. Scientists who discovered key parameters of black holes were put to work on atomic bombs. They were not that far from what we know now as Sci Fi, greatly thanks to the scientist Carl Sagan's movie contact.

Professor Kip Thorne is a specialist in wormhole theory, all based on Einstein.
Is he the one of the few who dared to develop Einstein in that direction? Where are the others? Where are the money of NSF and the rest of foundations? Where are the lost years of young scientists who were made to collaborate with the scientific status quo in order to feed their families? Shame! Shame for 20th and already 21st century science!

Now NASA says something different, and it should be supported no matter what.

originally posted by: MysterX

originally posted by: rickymouse
So it works as the guy said it would. Nobody paid attention to the guy for many years, thinking he was nuts because it was in contradiction to what they were taught. Now NASA tested it and is trying to figure out how it works, trying to use Occams Razor to explain how it works. Who cares how it works, it works, it can be utilized and just because it defies the law does not mean it is a crime to use it.

This sounds normal to me, reality is based on beliefs. Breaking misguided beliefs is hard to do.

It's always the way though isn't it ricky, we report on these energy endeavours, the debunkers with a text book stuffed up their backsides debunk and claim it violates this law or that one, and dismiss anything that doesn't chime with their 20th century paradigm.

Well...looks like the majority of us were right all along, all that had to be understood, all along, was discovering alternative methods to manipulate current physical understanding rather than anything else.

It was and is all about discovering short cuts, different method, and exploits to the increasingly elastic 'laws' we have restrained ourselves by.

These guys seem to have discovered such a short cut...i wish them and us all the best.

Well before you give yourself that great big pat on the back you think you deserve lets see what happens with this

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist
a reply to: Rob48

Actually cold fusion does work, as you can see by the NASA video link in the OP.

MIT recently offered a course on it.

coldfusionnow.org...

Cold fusion is often referred to as LENR - or low energy nuclear reactions.

Well actually it still hasn't been shown to work. Lots of experiments have suggested that it might, but it hasn't been nailed down yet. If it was totally proven then it would be VERY big news. It is, of course, the subject of much study, by MAINSTREAM science, which goes totally against what you and the other conspiracy theorists love to imagine.

You can't have it both ways: first you claim that "Mainstream science is covering it up!" and then you link to a course at MIT which is about as mainstream as it can get!

Totally contradicting yourself!

originally posted by: hmmmbeer

Governments CANNOT COVER UP SCIENCE. It is totally ridiculous to claim otherwise.

WRONG!!!

See 9/11 for an example.

QED.

Er, WHAT? Prize for most irrelevant mention of 9/11 ever goes to you, sir. How did 9/11 cover up any science at all?

originally posted by: Rob48

Well actually it still hasn't been shown to work. If it did then it would be VERY big news. It is, of course, the subject of much study.

You can't have it both ways: first you claim that "Mainstream science is covering it up!" and then you link to a course at MIT which is about as mainstream as it can get!

Totally contradicting yourself!

I just showed NASA and MIT saying it does work.

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist


I just showed NASA and MIT saying it does work.

No, you didn't. You showed that they are STUDYING it.

Try reading this: joe.zawodny.com...

Joe Zawodny is NASA's LENR guy.

When considered in aggregate I believe excess power has been demonstrated. I did not say, reliable, useful, commercially viable, or controllable. If any of those other terms were applicable I would have used them instead. If anything, it is the lack of a single clear demonstration of reliable, useful, and controllable production of excess power that has held LENR research back.

His words, not mine.

There may or may not be excess power. My personal belief is that there isn't and another explanation will be found.

I sincerely hope I am wrong.

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: hmmmbeer

Governments CANNOT COVER UP SCIENCE. It is totally ridiculous to claim otherwise.

WRONG!!!

See 9/11 for an example.

QED.

Er, WHAT? Prize for most irrelevant mention of 9/11 ever goes to you, sir. How did 9/11 cover up any science at all?

Oh boy where do I start? Tower 7? Or the twin towers collapse at basically freefall speed? The impossible hole in the pentagon? The missing plane at the pentagon? You are kidding right?

originally posted by: hmmmbeer

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: hmmmbeer

Governments CANNOT COVER UP SCIENCE. It is totally ridiculous to claim otherwise.

WRONG!!!

See 9/11 for an example.

QED.

Er, WHAT? Prize for most irrelevant mention of 9/11 ever goes to you, sir. How did 9/11 cover up any science at all?

Oh boy where do I start? Tower 7? Or the twin towers collapse at basically freefall speed? The impossible hole in the pentagon? The missing plane at the pentagon? You are kidding right?

Take your fairytales to the Skunk Works, kiddo. This is about SCIENCE.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

I am not a physicist, but I have a hard time understanding the science community when something like this is announced. So many of them dismiss it out of hand and claim you are an idiot for even bringing it up. As if there will NEVER be anything new under the sun. And if it was real, and big oil shelves it, then they appear to be right. If you bring up that aspect, then you must be a conspiracy nut. It makes these discussions seem so pointless. As if it will wrong even if it's right.

It's called ego. Scientists aren't as open-minded as they want you to believe. In fact, their egos get in the way of progress and new discoveries.

Now add their egos to the agendas of corporations and governments and we have a real problem. I often contemplate how much more advanced we could be without ego, corporations, and governments. ...maybe one day

Quantum physics is weird. Very weird. Obviously we don't know everything and I think we are getting to a stage where new exciting things are able to be discovered. So called empty space is full of bizarre sub atomic particles appearing, disappearing, and wiping each other out. There is so much we don't know and are yet to discover and learn. Although having said that there are so many scammers out there trying to get money.

originally posted by: Rob48
If this propulsion system works, it can hardly be covered up now, can it, because NASA have gone on record as having tested it.

originally posted by: hmmmbeer

WRONG!!!

See 9/11 for an example.

QED.

originally posted by: Rob48
Governments CANNOT COVER UP SCIENCE. It is totally ridiculous to claim otherwise.

originally posted by: hmmmbeer
Oh boy where do I start? Tower 7? Or the twin towers collapse at basically freefall speed? The impossible hole in the pentagon? The missing plane at the pentagon? You are kidding right?

Maybe "misrepresent science" would be the more accurate phrase to use regarding 9/11 and the NIST ( National Institute of Standards and Technology) report.