"Daring and lethal Palestinian raids from Gaza sap Israeli morale"

From Electronic Intifada: Palestinian raid takes IDF by surprise

Blogs » Ali Abunimah's blog Daring and lethal Palestinian raids from Gaza sap Israeli morale Submitted by Ali Abunimah on Wed, 07/30/2014 - 14:11 تصوير سري خلال اقتحام مستوطنه لكتائب القسام وقتل 10 جنود | شهاب The Israeli army is reeling from two attacks behind its lines by fighters of the Qassam Brigades, the military resistance wing of Hamas. The attacks are feeding a sense in Israel that its ground assault on Gaza is turning into a disaster and there are indications that Israeli anger and frustration are being taken out with even more deliberate killings of Palestinian civilians. On Monday, four Israeli soldiers were killed and ten injured when Palestinian resistance fighters fired mortars across the boundary from Gaza. But the most dramatic incident was a commando raid in which seven Qassam fighters emerged from a tunnel, raided a fortified Israeli army outpost at Nahal Oz inside Israel, killed five soldiers according to the Israeli count, and returned safely to Gaza through the tunnel. Qassam said its fighters killed ten Israeli combatants in the attack.

I don't condone violence except in self-defense and with being said, I can't believe this was able to be pulled off but it brings to mind the USSR in Afghanistan and the USA in Vietnam.

In a Facebook posting, Eran Efrati, a former Israeli army combat soldier turned dissident researcher and activist, claimed that Israeli soldiers serving in Gaza had leaked information to him in recent days that soldiers were “murdering … Palestinians by sniper fire in [Shujaiya] neighborhood as punishment for the deaths of soldiers in their units.” Efrati claimed that commanding officers had given shoot-to-kill orders ostensibly meant to protect Israeli forces, but whose real purpose was to “enable soldiers to take out their frustrations and pain at losing their fellow soldiers (something that for years the IDF [Israeli army] has not faced during its operations in Gaza and the West Bank)” by killing Palestinian civilians. Efrati cited the cold-blood sniper shooting, caught on video, of Palestinian youth Salem Shamaly in Shujaiya on 20 July, as a likely example of this phenomenon. Efrati spent years working with Breaking the Silence, an Israeli group that collects and publishes testimonies of abuses from Israeli soldiers but also protects them from consequences by concealing their identities. Since Efrati’s posting, a copy of which was captured by The Electronic Intifada, Efrati’s entire Facebook page is no longer available.

i hope there is a way to end this peacefully...

a reply to: MR_UNSMiLey

You don't say....

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: MR_UNSMiLey

You don't say....

I believe he has come to a loss of words...

a reply to: SLAYER69

The headline alone makes me wonder, would we ever see this in the press?

"Daring and lethal Israeli raids sap Palestinian morale"

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Free Wifi at Hotel Gumby isn't what it used to be...

as far as the title....don't count on it.

If you google the title of the thread you can read the article but I would question the source as it's a blog titled The Electronic Intifada. I would post it but as I say I question the source.

originally posted by: mclarenmp4
If you google the title of the thread you can read the article but I would question the source as it's a blog titled The Electronic Intifada. I would post it but as I say I question the source.

NOOOO!

You've taken the bait!

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I haven't posted on here in awhile so my editing skills are less than even poor...

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It was just something I thought I would throw out there

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Hamas is tough enough to inflict some damage but they are getting mauled. Tunnels are good for some things but in the long run they cant win the war staying underground.

a reply to: Logarock
It's the civilians who are suffering the most and the more they suffer, more than likely they shall also take up arms

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: MR_UNSMiLey

Hamas is tough enough to inflict some damage but they are getting mauled. Tunnels are good for some things but in the long run they cant win the war staying underground.

It worked for the Vietnamese.

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Was that a dig at me? Because if it is, it's a cheap shot and I'm not here to let this conversation devolve into something such as that

Why didn't the IDF go after them? If they knew these guys came from a tunnel then they should know where the tunnel is right?

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Logarock
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Hamas is tough enough to inflict some damage but they are getting mauled. Tunnels are good for some things but in the long run they cant win the war staying underground.

It worked for the Vietnamese.

The Vietnamese didn't win the war with tunnels. In fact when they finally came in to Saigon the had tanks and trucks but didn't emerge from the ground.

originally posted by: MR_UNSMiLey
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It's the civilians who are suffering the most and the more they suffer, more than likely they shall also take up arms

They might as well. Most Israeli citizens have them.

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: MR_UNSMiLey

Hamas is tough enough to inflict some damage but they are getting mauled. Tunnels are good for some things but in the long run they cant win the war staying underground.

It worked for the Vietnamese.

The Vietnamese didn't win the war with tunnels. In fact when they finally came in to Saigon the had tanks and trucks but didn't emerge from the ground.

Somebody needs to study a little more history.
Củ Chi tunnels

The tunnels of Củ Chi are an immense network of connecting underground tunnels located in the Củ Chi district of Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), Vietnam, and are part of a much larger network of tunnels that underlie much of the country. The Củ Chi tunnels were the location of several military campaigns during the Vietnam War, and were the Viet Cong's base of operations for the Tết Offensive in 1968. The tunnels were used by Viet Cong soldiers as hiding spots during combat, as well as serving as communication and supply routes, hospitals, food and weapon caches and living quarters for numerous North Vietnamese fighters. The tunnel systems were of great importance to the Viet Cong in their resistance to American forces, and helped to counter the growing American military effort.

originally posted by: MR_UNSMiLey
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Was that a dig at me? Because if it is, it's a cheap shot and I'm not here to let this conversation devolve into something such as that

humor. lighten up. you posted a title and no OP. your location in your avatar says you are at HOTEL GUMBY. so I made a joke about your wifi going down. I guess the Humorless Comedian part of your avatar is correct.

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But the most dramatic incident was a commando raid in which seven Qassam fighters emerged from a tunnel, raided a fortified Israeli army outpost at Nahal Oz inside Israel, killed five soldiers according to the Israeli count, and returned safely to Gaza through the tunnel. Qassam said its fighters killed ten Israeli combatants in the attack.

So Israel is saying five down, and the Qassam fighters are saying ten down. Soooooo much propaganda surrounding the whole affair.

That exact same excuse for the deliberate killing of civilians was used during the last Israeli campaign against Garza. I remember it from right here the pages of ATS. Not to say that either situation is true, but when religions that act as governments are very involved in their belief of being right, just and suprerior, I'm not at all surprised by such reports. Afterall, it happens daily across the Mid-East.