Vladimir Putin Breaks Silence on MH17 crash

a reply to: MysterX

You're saying that NBC, Sky and the BBC have been 'on site'. That may be partially true but the site is large and I don't know how near the main crash area they were early on.

And you're certainly wrong about the investigators. OSCE were there on Saturday, although warning shots were fired to prevent them getting close. Dutch investigators arrived today and have seen the bodies.

a reply to: Psynic

Why is it suspicious that it's a Malaysian Airlines flight? I'm not aware of some law of physics that prevents aeroplanes being shot down if another in their fleet has recently been lost.

originally posted by: St Udio

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
so he waited for the "evidence" to be dissapeared and comes out with this....interesting....

good catch... Putin allowed chaos & anarchy to run the crash site investigation.... instead of a decent Crime Scene Investigation headed by the International Civil Aviation Authority...the site is like a carnival melee with tourists or reporters disturbing all the evidence in a willy-nilly fashion

on the radio news today... the newscast team (WRNN local talk station) told us that the Wikipedia page about flight 17 was changed by Russia no less.... they changed the jet takedown from being done by 'terrorists' to being taken down by 'Ukraine'~~that happened over the weekend~~

I think that Putin is going back to his KGB era training.... he's got the black boxes,. the crash sites are a investigation nightmare, etc. ~he must feel secure enough to either cover up evidence or to skew the evidence enough to escape being charged with the crime

seems every side is trying to confound the facts & is busy fabricating evidence

recall early on when Ukraine produced a tape of communications between Russian & Seperatists which seemed to point blank admit to firing the missile taking out the passenger jet

well, here's the outcome of that analysis.... buried in the story as insignificantly as possible (because the bad Russians being responsible is the Washington narrative)

audio experts who conducted a study into the authenticity of a recording released by Ukrainian authorities which implicated Russian-backed rebels as being responsible for the missile attack on MH17 concluded that the tape was fabricated.

“The tape’s second fragment consists of three pieces but was presented as a single audio recording. However, a spectral and time analysis has showed that the dialog was cut into pieces and then assembled. Short pauses in the tape are very indicative: the audio file has preserved time marks which show that the dialog was assembled from various episodes, the expert said,” reports ITAR-TASS....

source: www.infowars.com...
Whistleblower: U.S. Satellite Images Show Ukrainian Troops Shooting Down MH17


BTW... there were beer bottles strewn all over the place of the Ukraine launch vehicle

dang, badmouthing beer-aholics

According to Our News in Norway. Russia tells the media that they have not picked up any missiels fired from the ground on their satelites, And are now asking the US to show the world the images that they say they have.

According to Russia, Russia picked up a Ukrainian fighter jet about 4km away from MH17. At the time it was brought Down.

On radar Russia saw the the fighter Jet was gaining altetude towards MH17 at the time it was brought Down.


Personaly i dont think any of us will ever see the evidence the US claim that they have.

www.dagbladet.no...

originally posted by: Psynic




There is no "good catch" here.

All I see is blind fear and propaganda.

The 'Commie Haters' are propagating inflammatory headlines in an attempt to incite violence against innocent civilians.

I was analyzing the specific reactions by Putin on the dynamics of 'the accusing finger pointing' not on the whole messed up operation of a USA puppet gov't in half of Ukraine...yes the USA is engaged in creating turmoil so as to occupy Russia in the Ukraine area instead of in the Iraq-Syria-Islamic State area in the M.E.

here's a report that broadly paints Putin the demon...blind hate & propaganda, which is far beyond the messages I posted:

read this: spectator.org...


Death on Putin’s Playground

~‘Investigation’ can't reveal what we already know.~

By Jed Babbin – 7.21.14

originally posted by: spy66
According to Our News in Norway. Russia tells the media that they have not picked up any missiels fired from the ground on their satelites, And are now asking the US to show the world the images that they say they have.

According to Russia, Russia picked up a Ukrainian fighter jet about 4km away from MH17. At the time it was brought Down.

On radar Russia saw the the fighter Jet was gaining altetude towards MH17 at the time it was brought Down.


Personaly i dont think any of us will ever see the evidence the US claim that they have.

www.dagbladet.no...

the case "West" has against Putin is laughable and Putin will own them for this pathetic attempt of targeted false flag...

originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: spy66
According to Our News in Norway. Russia tells the media that they have not picked up any missiels fired from the ground on their satelites, And are now asking the US to show the world the images that they say they have.

According to Russia, Russia picked up a Ukrainian fighter jet about 4km away from MH17. At the time it was brought Down.

On radar Russia saw the the fighter Jet was gaining altetude towards MH17 at the time it was brought Down.


Personaly i dont think any of us will ever see the evidence the US claim that they have.

www.dagbladet.no...

the case "West" has against Putin is laughable and Putin will own them for this pathetic attempt of targeted false flag...

He has every right too if he is telling the truth. I agree though its a joke the case they are trying to build against him with not a shred of evidence that shows his involvement, unless you count all of what i have concluded to be fake propaganda the tweets, the audio recordings etc, like a twitter account can't be hacked, what i cant find is if they denied posting about it themselves .. I saw they have returned the black boxes now Russian rebels return black boxes

originally posted by: spy66
According to Our News in Norway. Russia tells the media that they have not picked up any missiels fired from the ground on their satelites, And are now asking the US to show the world the images that they say they have.



According to Russia, Russia picked up a Ukrainian fighter jet about 4km away from MH17. At the time it was brought Down.



On radar Russia saw the the fighter Jet was gaining altetude towards MH17 at the time it was brought Down.





Personaly i dont think any of us will ever see the evidence the US claim that they have.



www.dagbladet.no...

It's hilarious how the people who want this to be true lap it up, and claim RT is fair and just in it's reporting, despite the fact it obviously is not and several reporters have recently left over it.

The Russian claim is preposterous, so much so the article debunks itself.

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km

So unless MH17 was only 13-15km high that is 100% impossible. We know for a fact it was not that low. The RT article is so moronic they themselves debunk the whole idea of what they are selling.

Then we have ..

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

So now MH17 MUST BE 22km or lower in order to be hit, which we know for a fact it was not. The whole idea is outlandish and only anti-Western zombies could be so gullible as to lap it up.

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
a reply to: Shana91aus
There is no real transparency in Russia so anything Putin says is just taken as gospel.

And on here too - it is quite amazing the myopia that let's people say that western MSM is full of lies, then they lap up everything from RT.com et al without a 2nd thought!!

a reply to: OccamsRazor04
To be fair the Su-25 can carry AA missiles with a 20 mile range........but according to the Russian report the Su-25 was still climbing - so it wasn't even at it's service ceiling of 23,000 feet (which it only gets with NO EXTERNAL STORES!)

And the warheads on the missiles it can carry are 3 or 7 kg - and 2 x 40kg warheads didn't actually destroy KAL007 in mid air........
Plus the Su can't have been in "a civilian air corridor" - because there is no such thing - and it was at LEAST 11,000 feet below the airliner (because it cant' fly any higher!!) which isn't "close" in any meaningful aviation sense anyway....

Just BS after BS after BS from Russia!

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

I am using the information in the article. Kind of dumb to say the article is right because it's wrong .... The figures they provided do not add up.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04
Yes - the holes in the RT.com article are obvious....unless you are one of Putin's Poodles!!

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
a reply to: Shana91aus
There is no real transparency in Russia so anything Putin says is just taken as gospel.

And on here too - it is quite amazing the myopia that let's people say that western MSM is full of lies, then they lap up everything from RT.com et al without a 2nd thought!!

I fully agree, real critical think is getting rarer and rarer on ATS.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
To be fair the Su-25 can carry AA missiles with a 20 mile range........but according to the Russian report the Su-25 was still climbing - so it wasn't even at it's service ceiling of 23,000 feet (which it only gets with NO EXTERNAL STORES!)

And the warheads on the missiles it can carry are 3 or 7 kg - and 2 x 40kg warheads didn't actually destroy KAL007 in mid air........
Plus the Su can't have been in "a civilian air corridor" - because there is no such thing - and it was at LEAST 11,000 feet below the airliner (because it cant' fly any higher!!) which isn't "close" in any meaningful aviation sense anyway....

Just BS after BS after BS from Russia!

It is actually briliant to use the SU in this case. Because People would not believe it.


The SU fired its Air To Air missile from North to South as it was gaining altitude towards the flight path of the Mh17.

The SU passed Mh17 from bellow "North to South"as the Mh17 was loosing speed and altitude do to the impact from the Air to air missile. Flight mh17 was rapidly loosing speed after impact and desended With free fall speed of 204 km/h.

Mh17 glided to the North as it was freefalling. And the SU passed it from North to South.

The radar picked up the signature from the SU at the time it had passed Mh17 at 16404ft. At that time the distance between the Su and Mh17 were about 3 to 5 km.

a reply to: spy66

interesting...

where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

To be fair the Su-25 can carry AA missiles with a 20 mile range........but according to the Russian report the Su-25 was still climbing - so it wasn't even at it's service ceiling of 23,000 feet (which it only gets with NO EXTERNAL STORES!)



And the warheads on the missiles it can carry are 3 or 7 kg - and 2 x 40kg warheads didn't actually destroy KAL007 in mid air........

Plus the Su can't have been in "a civilian air corridor" - because there is no such thing - and it was at LEAST 11,000 feet below the airliner (because it cant' fly any higher!!) which isn't "close" in any meaningful aviation sense anyway....



Just BS after BS after BS from Russia!

It is actually briliant to use the SU in this case. Because People would not believe it.





The SU fired its Air To Air missile from North to South as it was gaining altitude towards the flight path of the Mh17.



The SU passed Mh17 from bellow "North to South"as the Mh17 was loosing speed and altitude do to the impact from the Air to air missile. Flight mh17 was rapidly loosing speed after impact and desended With free fall speed of 204 km/h.



Mh17 glided to the North as it was freefalling. And the SU passed it from North to South.



The radar picked up the signature from the SU at the time it had passed Mh17 at 16404ft. At that time the distance between the Su and Mh17 were about 3 to 5 km.

And what you just wrote completely contradicts the article. So you think the Russians are lying?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spy66

interesting...

where did you get the facts on the shootdown and actions of the SU-25... an aircraft not capable of reaching those altitudes?

The SU was never at the same altitude as the flight path of Mh17. The SU passed Mh17 after Mh17 was hit and freefaling.

The radar that picked this up was on stand by mode and only picked up flights above 16400ft. It was at this altitude that the SU showed up and passed Hh17 by a few km.

By watching the video Mh17 is first loosing speed rapidly from 900km/h to 300km/. when Mh17 is freefaling at 200km/h a New mark appears to the South of Mh17. It is hard to see because its right by the signature of Mh17.

The New mark must have flown above 16400ft when it appeard on radar. At this point the Mh17 is freefalling towards the ground and the SU is climbing.

Mh17 was probably hit on the left side. That means the Su was flying towards Mh17 from the North.

Mh17 was deverted from its original flight coridoor and flew 14km to the North. Mh17 probably flew right into the missile fired from the SU.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

No. The russians are not lying. They are telling the truth according to the radar information.

The information about the Ukrainian BUK systems are also very interesting. Because at the exact same time 9 BUK systems were active giving of a lot of radar signatures.

The Active BUK systems were probably used as a decoy and to conseal the actions of the SU. If the Su hadnt climed above 16400ft and showed up on radar. The BUK system would have been a very good propaganda argument. And the Pro-Russians and Russia would have a hard time proving their Version.

a reply to: spy66

And when the report comes back showing it was a ground based missile that hit the plane what then? This is a smokescreen, nothing more.

Why did they remove wreckage from the plane? Why did they take the black boxes for Moscow if they are innocent?

a reply to: Shana91aus
The alleged recording was pasted together from several different records, i.e., it's bogus. Kiev manufactured it.
What is not coming out is that the bodies were all dead long before the crash. Their blood was drained out of their bodies and they were already in a state of decomposing - they stank terribly.

The attack on the plane was timed to divert the international attention away from the fact that the israelis were massacring the Palestinians again. the kidnapped Israeli youths were kidnapped and killed by their own people. It's called a false flag. Get it? Like 9/11.
the real reason they are slaughtering the Palestinians is over the oil off the coast.

Read the whole story which Jim stone has gathered together.



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