A Video from the Secret Space Program and Breakaway Civilization Conference 2014

a reply to: AllIsOne

I disagree.

I think he is very knowledgeable and articulate.

He gave us the Disclosure Project and deserves our respect for putting it together. It's just too bad that 9-11 overshadowed it.

a reply to: soficrow

I'm assuming that that is in the name of the conference because researcher and author Richard Dolan coined the term, and he spoke at the conference.

This definition of the term sounds right:

He came to the realization that the deep secretive black budget world had actually become a civilization on its own with its own exotic technology, a different view of the cosmos, our place in it, and a different version of Human history. This is a new avenue of research that will delve into the Occult, secret societies, Central Banking, UFO secrecy, the Military Industrial Complex, and the Secret Space Program comprising this Breakaway Civilization.

breakawaycivilization.com...

a reply to: Uggielicious

Don't mean to sound negative but I've been dealing with this subject since the late 1950s and I've seen them come and go and the bs remains. A lot of authors have enjoyed a good life off the bs.

Sounding negative... or having a "Oh that's such b.s.," opinion (or input based on hard facts) is fine... it's the broad discounting based on one piece of bad info that bothers me (as in baby's bathwater).

The problem with this "field" ... which is mostly info poor folks trying desperately to piece together a cogent worldview with the barest scraps of real, but incredible, information... is that the real, (sometimes) verifiable information is hard to discern, but it is not impossible.

There are a slew of clowns who have made a tidy living throwing (fake) bones to those of us who know something is up and are starved for info. I have some negative feelings for them... but it doesn't mean that there aren't exotic machines (or somethings much weirder) whizzing around... there most certainly are.

There are also certainly folks existing who have more knowledge about what, at least some of them, really are.

The entire problem is vetting which pieces of info are credible. It's a work in progress... but McClandish strikes me as truthful and I'd at least listen to what he has to say.

The Weird California Sighting thread currently on ATS has some whoppers ... that have a ring of truth to them, too.

Weird CA Sighting

ETA: The "whoppers" start up around page 10... look for astr0 and Zaphod58...

originally posted by: Baddogma
. . . exotic machines (or somethings much weirder) whizzing around... there most certainly are.

Yes, and it only takes one to prove the existence of the technology.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: [post=18155836]Uggielicious[/post

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Don't mean to sound negative but I've been dealing with this subject since the late 1950s and I've seen them come and go and the bs remains. A lot of authors have enjoyed a good life off the bs.

Sounding negative... or having a "Oh that's such b.s.," opinion (or input based on hard facts) is fine... it's the broad discounting based on one piece of bad info that bothers me (as in baby's bathwater).

There is no broad discounting based on one piece of bad info, it's across the board. Bad info? Let's put it this way: no doubt there are unidentified aerial objects of all sizes and descriptions flitting around earth skies and above the moon. They are fact. What is not fact is that some earthlings believe that something is known about these objects by certain individuals and by governments. I don't buy it. Regarding UFOs (I prefer UAP - Unidentified Aerial Phenomena), no one knows anything, we've always been on step one and presently there are no further steps.

The problem with this "field" ... which is mostly info poor folks trying desperately to piece together a cogent worldview with the barest scraps of real, but incredible, information... is that the real, (sometimes) verifiable information is hard to discern, but it is not impossible.

You cannot piece together anything if you don't have the separate pieces. And all of the pieces that currently exist is: people seeing things they can't identify based on a lot of unknown factors and generating reports that may or may not be true and go nowhere and resulting photos and videos which are never great or clear enough to see detail and which could be hoaxes;

There are a slew of clowns who have made a tidy living throwing (fake) bones to those of us who know something is up and are starved for info. I have some negative feelings for them... but it doesn't mean that there aren't exotic machines (or somethings much weirder) whizzing around... there most certainly are.

Yes, of course there are "exotic machines" that remain aloof from being discussed in detail and it's because no one can supply any data that could "bring them down to earth" that gives authors free range to make all kinds of unsupported claims that's eaten up by the gullible. Just look at the thread titles, nothing of substance. And Stanton Friedman has the nerve to continue billing himself as a newklear pheeseecyst tons of years since his last job as one and posts a thread here asking members to ask him anything. He doesn't know anything other than what's in the public record which anyone can access. He is biggest hoaxer of them all and depends on gullibility to make a very good living.

There are also certainly folks existing who have more knowledge about what, at least some of them, really are.

Not in my book!

The entire problem is vetting which pieces of info are credible. It's a work in progress... but McClandish strikes me as truthful and I'd at least listen to what he has to say.

I'll tell you what's credible: UFOs are real and there isn't a single human that knows anything about them aside from that they're a real phenomenon that defy explanation. Anyone that claims they know is bs'ing and cannot be trusted. McClandish is no exception.

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a reply to: Uggielicious

Not in my book!

Your book might... might... need editing!

If it weren't for the rare bits of credible seeming info buried in the detritus of DUMBs, Skunkworks gossip, a51 specualtion, etc., I'd put my "certain" stamp on the notion that nobody knows wth UFO's really are (or some of them)... but I chose to remain open because this world has thrown be curve balls on a regular basis... and a couple of these folks remain consistent and seemingly credible...that is all.

a reply to: Baddogma
what a relief baddogma, to read something i would have written. standard format for a refutation on ATS: so and so said such and such, but everyone knows it is terrible BS, so everything so and so says is wrong. the problem is, everything else so and so said may contain accurate info...that someone urgently wants not to come to attention.

...uhhh, i've S&F'd this topic

but there's another guy who likes to talk about the secret space program & "breakaway civilization"

i'll show you a picture of him, his name is (Dr.) Richard Allen Crowley Miller

that's him also in the background aping Aleister Crowley

here's the original crowley


there's a really long story behind all this "posturing"

Dr. miller is "famous" for co-authoring the anarchists cookbook (jolly roger cookbook aka terrorists handbook)
and "growing pot on the moon" amongst other things (all his words, not mine)

he (and others like this) like to think they're "empowering people"

i came across this stuff while vetting bob dean & all those other new-age shills (project camelot etc)

make of it what you care to

fwiw, all sorts of weird aircraft have been designed & tested over the years
"unidentified flying objects" are real enough but there is much more to the story not being told here & these "conferences" (which are all about empowering people, remember)

originally posted by: darkstar57
a reply to: Baddogma
what a relief baddogma, to read something i would have written. standard format for a refutation on ATS: so and so said such and such, but everyone knows it is terrible BS, so everything so and so says is wrong. the problem is, everything else so and so said may contain accurate info...that someone urgently wants not to come to attention.

All well and said. But I simply say provide irrefutable evidence and you're off the hook. Otherwise you, baddogma and all the believers can only spout opinions which are just that which is nothing that can be taken to the bank.

Believers support other believers and everyone is happy. Except us that do not settle for hearsay.

a reply to: Uggielicious

Lumping me in with "believers" is belittling and wrong... and quite weak from a debate perspective... but no matter...this subject IS rife with smoke, mirrors and old hack magicians... leave it to the relativists.

So... "top military brass and top politicians with clearances" were only meant to see these craft. But, we're to believe Mark McCandlish's art school classmate was allowed in to not only see them, but to look over a schematic, a video, and stay for the lecture? Quite a security breach for not only supposed classified, top secret craft, but for high ranking military officials and politicians with a high security clearance. Of course he was told in true UFO nomenclature "You didn't see anything". This is the foundation to this whole story.

Next is guy named Kent Sellen. He's a random person he's introduced to at an air show who tells him he accidentally sees a craft through an opening in a hanger at Edwards Air Force base in 1973. He says all of a sudden he has guns put to his throat, is tossed to the ground, a hood is pulled out from somewhere and placed over his head, a blindfold is put on, and he's taken away to be debriefed for 18 hours. Only to be given additional information about these craft such as "ejection sequence" before he's let go. More fill-in information.

He hears a radio interview with abductee Licia Davidson and later contacts her. She apparently was taken to an engine room and saw the inner workings of one of these craft. She was conveniently able to fill-in yet even more information on how it worked. Davidson is someone who claims to have been abducted multiple times and has alien implants. She said during one abduction, the "greys" fitted her with a hearing device and told her she would hear "the voice of god". She heard a mechanical, unfeeling voice and thought the greys were lying to her. And that story continues on. This is his main connection of this craft to alien beings. It's also where he loses source credibility. Licia Davidson is not a reliable source for any claim of aliens. Listen to her stories and lack of anything verifiable to any of them. Weak level of acceptance for a source.

A creative guy, creating a blue print of a UFO, gathering stories from outside sources as to how this UFO/ARV works, attempting to fool the gullible and naive... I actually can see the reward and fun in that.

I do have to laugh at the flashing "CLASSIFIED FORGET THIS IMAGE IMMEDIATELY" drawing put up at 14:30 in the video:

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
Only to be given additional information about these craft such as "ejection sequence" before he's let go.

I do remember wondering why that would be.

Maybe during the course of the debriefing they felt like bragging a bit.

originally posted by: TheSearchforSpork
I'll try to answer relevant questions already posted.

Do you mean that you're planning to post answers and they'll be forthcoming - the questions don't need to be restated by us?

a reply to: Mary Rose

Marking for read, thx for sharing

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: TheSearchforSpork
a reply to: butcherguy
James Allen graduated with a BFA in Visual Effects from SCAD in 2011. He went on to receive an MFA in film in 2013.

So, he would have the perfect expertise to concoct hoax videos.... Interesting but hardly surprising.

As the person who worked along with him side-by-side, I can tell you two things: 1. He'd have the perfect expertise to concoct a hoax. 2. He didn't.

originally posted by: Mary Rose

originally posted by: TheSearchforSpork
I'll try to answer relevant questions already posted.

Do you mean that you're planning to post answers and they'll be forthcoming - the questions don't need to be restated by us?

Yep, I went through ones directly relevant to James Allen or the film. If I missed something, let me know and I'll try to answer!

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
A creative guy, creating a blue print of a UFO, gathering stories from outside sources as to how this UFO/ARV works, attempting to fool the gullible and naive... I actually can see the reward and fun in that.

I do have to laugh at the flashing "CLASSIFIED FORGET THIS IMAGE IMMEDIATELY" drawing put up at 14:30 in the video:

Looks like the Northrup-Grumman "Senior Citizen" stealth aircraft.



Would not be the first time TPTB would use the UFO community to discredit and confuse people abour real sightings of real and CONVENTIONAL classified aircraft.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
So... "top military brass and top politicians with clearances" were only meant to see these craft. But, we're to believe Mark McCandlish's art school classmate was allowed in to not only see them, but to look over a schematic, a video, and stay for the lecture? Quite a security breach for not only supposed classified, top secret craft, but for high ranking military officials and politicians with a high security clearance. Of course he was told in true UFO nomenclature "You didn't see anything". This is the foundation to this whole story.

Next is guy named Kent Sellen. He's a random person he's introduced to at an air show who tells him he accidentally sees a craft through an opening in a hanger at Edwards Air Force base in 1973. He says all of a sudden he has guns put to his throat, is tossed to the ground, a hood is pulled out from somewhere and placed over his head, a blindfold is put on, and he's taken away to be debriefed for 18 hours. Only to be given additional information about these craft such as "ejection sequence" before he's let go. More fill-in information.

He hears a radio interview with abductee Licia Davidson and later contacts her. She apparently was taken to an engine room and saw the inner workings of one of these craft. She was conveniently able to fill-in yet even more information on how it worked. Davidson is someone who claims to have been abducted multiple times and has alien implants. She said during one abduction, the "greys" fitted her with a hearing device and told her she would hear "the voice of god". She heard a mechanical, unfeeling voice and thought the greys were lying to her. And that story continues on. This is his main connection of this craft to alien beings. It's also where he loses source credibility. Licia Davidson is not a reliable source for any claim of aliens. Listen to her stories and lack of anything verifiable to any of them. Weak level of acceptance for a source.

A creative guy, creating a blue print of a UFO, gathering stories from outside sources as to how this UFO/ARV works, attempting to fool the gullible and naive... I actually can see the reward and fun in that.

I do have to laugh at the flashing "CLASSIFIED FORGET THIS IMAGE IMMEDIATELY" drawing put up at 14:30 in the video:

Glad you laughed at that sequence! James Allen always inserted his own sense of humor in to his work.

On another subject you mention toward the end. it should be noted that Mr. McCandlish's undertaking cost him his livelihood. The 'reward' he has received for this has been, overall, a staggeringly negative number. I'd also like to point out that Mark does not like the limelight. He is a private man, donates time to the humane society and teaches children how to draw - for free - at the local sub shop in the small town he lives in. He does not fit the profile of a hoaxer-for-the-money-or-attention. I think he simply believes what he was told by various sources and wanted to solve a mystery that happened to be right up his alley, talent-wise. Whether he is misguided, mislead or on to something is for you to decide. I, like Mark, you me and everyone else on this forum would really, REALLY like to see conclusive, physical proof, the 'Saucer landing on the White House Lawn' or a government's disclosure.

originally posted by: Mary Rose

originally posted by: TheSearchforSpork
But the idea of an IMMENSE source of power 'democratized' - made freely available to the myriad peoples, governments, corporations of the world sounds like a recipe for self-destruction.

Honestly I don't think those who order assassinations to keep this secret are concerned about our self-destruction.

I think they're concerned about their own power.

I think they are worried about BOTH. People can be acting out of self-interest and the interests of others simultaneously. And within that group the ratio can vary wildly! After all, Hitler was acting out that combo...It's a lot more complicated than simple good and evil.

a reply to: AllIsOne

Thanks for the input. Others have said the same. James Allen found Greer interesting up until he started his "Alien Petting Zoo" (As James jokingly called it) and his photos of a moth "Light Being". At that point a great deal credibility went out the window for James, who perceived him descending into a carnival barker. However, he was wise enough to give credit where credit is due; Greer put together the Disclosure Movement with his Press Club events, organizing and emboldening so many insiders to speak out. And that is worthy of respect. Like I said in another post, people aren't black or white, good or evil. We are all a confusing mix of both, and are prone to foibles and mistakes.