Why do peole think that Jesus was god?

Jesus is God eh, Well the romans sure made short work of him.

And he isin't coming for a long time, But if you follow a priest. You can be forgiven.
Sorry jews and muslims, your messiah came and left. Submit to the will of the roman empire.
If we can kill your god we can kill you too. So said cesar shortly before he was assassinated.
Then the church continued, And still does to this present day. Faithfully denying the Jewish and Islamic Messiahs from their one return. Not a second return.


Some centries pass later...

Common men, you are being drawn up to fight for thy lord in jerusalem. (Crusades ensues)

Rome gains grip on England, England then revises the bible.
More hilarity ensues.

I'm Sorry, A 2000 year old prophet is the creator of the universe? Well when said prophet comes again all the current empire has to do is crusify him. Then wait another 2000 years preaching about his enivitable return.

So just because they take the ideas of the book of isaiah, Amos, And psalms end days doom porn and twisted it around to suit the book of revolations, that *Jesus* will return?

There's nothing in the book of revelation's except what ever the roman empire decided was useful before they burned down Alexandria. The place where all 3 of these religions were fueled by prior cultural myths written in the form of what ever the writer wished. There were no laws in alexandria that protected authenticity of the documents. Anyone could go in there and write about what ever they wanted or read any of the copies stored there, and add on to your own by making references to previous scrolls.

Read any of these important scrolls and most of them make references to other *books* or tomes/scrolls. Most of which are lost, either looted or destoyed in the fire. Some we can actually link together.
There is many papyrus that have references to other scrolls. That can only happen if you have a library or archieve.
Therefore, It is the only plausible way to make such references...

You can rely on a 2000 year old roman story, Or dig deeper into the passed.
The universe and its archtypes of power are much more terrorfying than some man flying down on a white horse with some winged dudes and dudettes cleaving off heads with flaming swords.

Try to think aliens that are so powerful that you can't physically harm them. Using UFOs and huge motherships.
That is more terrorfying and likely scenario for this * Coming of Days* And re-establishing the kingdom of *God* on Earth.

It means *angels* and *God* will walk the Earth.
If you want to win over the scientific community. At least believe in something plausible so that the creationists and the athiests can agree that Genetic engineering does exist. And that terraforming a planet is possible.
Yes its all possible because we plan on doing it to other planets.

How can one not reflect on these things and understand there are other species, like man out there doing the same?
Humans are not some specific pet of the universe. Grow up. Yeah the universe is creepy. but its also very beautiful.

You however, don't get to choose between the creepy and the wonderful because they are intrinsicatly blended together.
The universe isin't pampering humans for another stage of existance beyond life.
Life is the ultimate existance, and if you are to weak to except these things. Then the universe will dismantle you emotionally and physically.
Because such things wither away in time.

Time is ageless and is forever, Time didn't start when the planet decided it was going to give life. Or when the milkyway decided it wants to form to be the birth place of pampered humans.
Because the entire universe will bow to one knee to humans * Just because * God said so.

Lets create theories where humans are the primary functioning threads of the universe, Like Heaven and hell. Where all of the universes existance is solely there just for the sake of us to look at it, before we are either punished in hell when we die or linger in a dopey happy feel good paradise * Just because* Its written by some roman scolars 2000 years ago.

all of jesus's appostiles were probably roman priests to be honest. Eitherway it dosn't really matter.

Lets look at the Matrix theory, That the universe is just a simulation. But humans can break out of this simulation.
I'm sorry but what *god given* right do humans have to live beyond the veil of the universe?
Is there one? No i seem to lost my key to the other side let me just look for it.

Aliens very much do exist, So can aliens break out of the * matrix * or are they a program and their lives are meaningless because humans demand themselve to be superior.

So lets say we are in a simulated universe. Whose to say that the universe outside ours isn't simulated by another simulator as well? And so on? So if a universe that is generations older than ours is shut off it wipes out the whole line. Whose to say we are the first to be simulated?

If there are multi universes feeding other multi universes which universe spawned the first one? what can we even define as another universe? The universe is already understood to be the body of space that holds all the galaxies, stars and planets.

So what sits outside of that? A universe without planets? Why is it even nessisary? I might be trailing on here.
But the point is the universe isn't that complicated and dosn't have to be. If you can't accept the brutal seriousness of life and the conciquences of death then you need to re-evaluate what you can do to change that.

That being said, There are some highly advanced species orbitting Earth. So the cries for *God* will be answered world wide.

You're welcome.

I think that some believe this to be true because of the way Jesus spoke and acted in the recorded accounts. Some are fooling us into thinking that Jesus is the Father so that we worship the wrong figure. Questioning if God is Jesus is irrelevant anyway, it is the message he brought that is important.

Jesus was a great prophet and may he rest in peace with our Father. His lessons I keep in my heart. Thank you Father for this gift.

a reply to: Murgatroid

"Enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matthew 7:13) I'm not sure what your definition of a cult is, but chances are that anyone that knows truth are "few" and would probably labeled as such.

originally posted by: OptimusSubprime
a reply to: roth1


He absolutely did claim to be God, more than once, but here is one example from John 8:58....

Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!

If Jesus is not God, then this is terrible grammar. Only Jesus could say that and be telling the truth. To say "I am" is to say that He is the "I am" from Exodus when God told Moses "I am that I am". Jesus is the Great I am... Jesus is God, and he claimed as much more than once.

He was the first creation of God, the only begotten Son. Of course he was before Abraham,,,,he was before everything that has a beginning.

originally posted by: roth1
Jesus never in the bible said he was god. He always claimed to be the son of god. If the had claimed to be god gov would have killed him much sooner. The Jews would not have had to beg to have him executed. Where did this come from? The church not the bible? Remember the bible says that god said not to worship any before him. Isn't this against the bible? I don't know for sure if this is a conspiracy, but some group propagated this for some intent.

In the Christian world it is well known that what Jesus was saying that his father God, and he were of the same mind in all things. God gave his son Jesus the authority to know and he was the only one worthy because of his willing sacrifice on the cross.
If you know the heart of Christ, then you also know the Father's.
They are "One in the Spirit"
And we are "One in the spirit and one in the Lord"
But when people try to dissect the meaning like a book report, it all seems to come tumbling down, and that is because they aren't trying to really understand it, they are trying to destroy it.
Ring any bells?

a reply to: roth1
Fairly ignorant post. I hear it sometimes, no idea how anyone can post this stuff still. Here are several references.

1.
Jhn 10:33
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

2.
Jhn 8:57
“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
Jhn 8:58
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
(refer to Exo 3:14)


3. This is where the term Son of Man comes from .. and it's meaning is God.
Dan 7:13
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,fn coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.
Dan 7:14
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

4.
Mar 14:60
Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?”
Mar 14:61
But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
Mar 14:62
“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Mar 14:63
The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked.
Mar 14:64
“You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as worthy of death.

5.
Mar 2:5
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
Mar 2:6
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves,
Mar 2:7
“Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

6.
Jhn 20:28
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Jhn 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: roth1
Fairly ignorant post. I hear it sometimes, no idea how anyone can post this stuff still. Here are several references.

1.
Jhn 10:33
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

2.
Jhn 8:57
“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
Jhn 8:58
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
(refer to Exo 3:14)


3. This is where the term Son of Man comes from .. and it's meaning is God.
Dan 7:13
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,fn coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.
Dan 7:14
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

4.
Mar 14:60
Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?”
Mar 14:61
But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
Mar 14:62
“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Mar 14:63
The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked.
Mar 14:64
“You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as worthy of death.

5.
Mar 2:5
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
Mar 2:6
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves,
Mar 2:7
“Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

6.
Jhn 20:28
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Jhn 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

John 10:33 was an accusation, not Jesus claiming to be God himself.
John 8:57,58 Jesus was God's firstborn and through him all things were created, of course he was before Abraham.
Daniel 7:13 What in the world are you talking about? The son of man (Jesus) approached the Ancient of Days (YHVH) and was led in to his presense.
Daniel 7:14 He was given power. What? did he give it to himself or was it given to him by YHVH?

I would respond to all the cited verses, but it's ridiculous

Jesus is also the Son of Man but was conceived immaculately and had no physical birth father. The Holy Trinity explains the answer to your question. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3 different things that are the same. This link may help www.everystudent.com... a reply to: roth1

a reply to: TheChrome

I would respond to all the cited verses, but it's ridiculous

There are some mysteries involved . . . however . . .

I can certainly understand that your trying to support a ridiculous perspective would be a ridiculous exercise.

THE FATHER has made clear that YEHOSHUA THE CHRIST was before all that is and that nothing was created without HIM . . .

THE FATHER HAS INSURED THAT YEHOSHUA THE CHRIST REIGNS WITH ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY over all that is.

Christ evidently dared not consider Himself equal with God. However, THE FATHER INSURED THAT HE WAS INSTALLED AT THE FATHER'S RIGHT HAND.

We shall see how folks fair who try and construe Christ to be less than God vs part of the God-head--FATHER, SON, SPIRIT.

Probably in God's mercy, He'll forgive . . . in most cases.

a reply to: roth1

Hinduism might help in interpreting Christian beliefs. In Gospel of Thomas:

Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him.

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost compares to Brahman, Atman, and Shakti which represent the threefold nature of God. To experience enlightenment one has to contemplate Atman until Atman becomes Brahman (Where there are two or one, I am with him.).

"I am with him", not "I am him" tells that Yeshua was not God. However when Hindu's reach a state of enlightenment they often cannot differentiate between themselves and that of God because they become one with God.

a reply to: glend

Gospel of Thomas is not recognized as inspired by God, and does not teach what the other books teach.

a reply to: roth1

Jesus was not God, he was a human who walked in the footsteps of God, I guess you could call him the Son of God looking at it like that.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes it was classed as heretic by Rome that wanted to elevate Paulinity. Many believed that the self labelled roman apostle Paul (who was never a apostle) was himself labeled as a heretic by true apostles of Yeshua (aka Jesus). So anything that is classed as heretic by the heretics should be examined by all that want to try find true Christianity.

Why is this guy receiving stars and flags for asking a question thats been asked a million times before? Jesus is like Neapolitan ice cream, 3 in 1. Truth stands the test of time, lies are soon exposed. Proverbs 12:19

originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: roth1

Jesus was not God, he was a human who walked in the footsteps of God, I guess you could call him the Son of God looking at it like that.

You are welcome to respond to the verses I listed.

originally posted by: th3dudeabides
a reply to: roth1

His followers claim it. Jesus always said that he had the way or knew the way to god not that he was god. Christians use that idea to control their followers.

In order to "follow" him, they must logically be treading the same path, else they are not "following". If they make claims of deity that he did not, are they truly followers?

No. Logically, his followers do not claim it. Just because they apply the label of "christian" to themselves does not automatically make it so - they are just mislabeled.

As a side note how do I upload photos on this site? I was going to load photos of the Greek text for john 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:3,4. At John 1:1 we have YHVH or almighty God depicted as Oeov, whereas Jesus is oeos. Same is true at 2 Corinthians, YHVH or almighty god is depicted as Oeov, but Satan is depicted as oeos. God almighty is clearly rendered Oeov, whereas Jesus and Satan were rendered oeos. "god" respectivley refers to powerful ones, including Jesus and Satan, angels as well humans. At Psalms 8:5, and Hebrews 2:6-8 Elohim was used to refer to angels. Psalms 82:6 refers to men as gods.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes it was classed as heretic by Rome that wanted to elevate Paulinity. Many believed that the self labelled roman apostle Paul (who was never a apostle) was himself labeled as a heretic by true apostles of Yeshua (aka Jesus). So anything that is classed as heretic by the heretics should be examined by all that want to try find true Christianity.

It does not match any of the Bible. It is clearly Gnostic in origin, and even then nothing in it explicitly contradicts Jesus as being divine. Who are the "true apostles"?

a reply to: TheChrome

There is down arrow on the top page icons within circle. You have to upload pictures first. You can then link pictures in the page using the picture link above the comment box.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: roth1

1. HE said He was.

No one has been able to ever point out to me where Jesus said he was God. Never. You may be the first - go for it!

2. HE backed it up with His abundant miracles.

As did Elijah (up to and including raising the dead and calling fore down from heaven), yet Elijah was no god, nor was it ever claimed by third parties on his behalf that he was.

3. THE FATHER backed it up with Jesus' Resurrection--witnessed by more than 500 who saw Him in His Resurrection body running around loose for many days thereafter.

Logical inconsistency - a dead being, being dead, can no more raise himself from the dead that you or I can pick ourselves up by our own bootstraps - go on, try it... it will never happen. I mean, if he's dead, how can he do anything at all, much less make himself suddenly undead? The Resurrection itself points to a distinction between Jesus and God, not the other way around, not a confirmation of Jesus' deity.