Comic Character 'Archie' To Die Saving Gay Friend from Gun Violence

a reply to: FlyersFan

Wolverine Got better though. HE has died a few times but unless you totally destroy all his flesh down to the atom level he wont die. He lost his adamantium during that though but eventually we found out theadamantium was actually retarding his mutation. eventually he developed organic adamantium if i remember correctly.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: karmicecstasy
So Archie is not really dying. .

He dies in the alternate time line series in a manner that the publisher can get his propaganda across in. This is America so they can do what they want. I just wish that the propaganda wasn't so 'in your face' in this particular area. It's supposed to be entertaining ... and yet people get political statements shoved at them. Can't escape it.

I agree we can not escape it. Everything is propaganda these days, absolutely everything. No matter what "side" you are on. The only way to escape is to live off the grid in a remote location. I guess we just have to pick and choose what propaganda we want to consume.

The only problem I have personally with this, is that its an adult spin off, of a kids comic. I know kids who like the main Archie comic. I would hate for them to accidentally pick up a copy of this and have them read about Archie dying in a hail of bullets. It could traumatize them. Imagine if Disney produced an adult oriented Mickey Mouse comic were he Hangs himself on the last page because of cyber bullying. I would have no problem with the Life with Archie or my fictional Mickey Mouse story being in a comic geared only towards adults using non cartoon kids characters.

originally posted by: karmicecstasy
The only problem I have personally with this, is that its an adult spin off, of a kids comic. I know kids who like the main Archie comic. I would hate for them to accidentally pick up a copy of this and have them read about Archie dying in a hail of bullets. It could traumatize them. Imagine if Disney produced an adult oriented Mickey Mouse comic were he Hangs himself on the last page because of cyber bullying. I would have no problem with the Life with Archie or my fictional Mickey Mouse story being in a comic geared only towards adults using non cartoon kids characters.

My son was barely out of diapers when he was watching Terminator and Robocop. Didn't harm him any.

As for comics being used as propaganda, that's been happening for MANY decades. Capt. America, yup. And you should see some of the Looney Tunes from the 40's. War machine propaganda.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: karmicecstasy
The only problem I have personally with this, is that its an adult spin off, of a kids comic. I know kids who like the main Archie comic. I would hate for them to accidentally pick up a copy of this and have them read about Archie dying in a hail of bullets. It could traumatize them. Imagine if Disney produced an adult oriented Mickey Mouse comic were he Hangs himself on the last page because of cyber bullying. I would have no problem with the Life with Archie or my fictional Mickey Mouse story being in a comic geared only towards adults using non cartoon kids characters.

My son was barely out of diapers when he was watching Terminator and Robocop. Didn't harm him any.

I saw R rated movies when I was a child too. I was more specifically talking about seeing a beloved cartoon character die violently. My step daughter cried for three days when she saw ET die somewhat peacefully, even though he came back to life.

a reply to: intrepid

I remember watching them as a kid in the 50s.

I'm not sure if this Archie comic that focuses on him being grown up is written for an adult or child audience. As far as comics go, Captain America has propaganda written all over him as well, I'm sure it isn't the first time that art has been used to portray a greater cause of some sort. Cartoons were also used as war propaganda during World War II.

I am surprised that they are killing off the main character to promote the gun control and gay marriage agendas, that is a lot happening at once. Definitely an interesting O.P. FlyersFan!

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Things were so much more simple in the 50's.

I recall reading some time ago that the CEO of Archie is a woman who likes to run around sexually harassing her male employees and calling them degrading names. Wonder how that fits in here...

Like most of the posters here my main thought was "People still read Archie comics?"

I didn't even know there was an adult, soap opera spinoff. I guess it's fitting enough, I remember reading that the artist for the original Archie comics drew a pornographic comic with Betty or Veronica or one of them after he was spurned by the company.

More on point, why do comic books have to use gays ONLY as a way of pushing an agenda? What is this, the 80s/90s? Can't there just be a homosexual character who's normal and is just one of the guys? I'm all for marriage equality, this is tacky and ham-fisted.

Anti-gun agenda is less surprising, if it can be read/heard/watched then there has to be some gun control bullhonk in there. What a better way to promote the cause then to kill off a beloved character who's been around for decades.

originally posted by: Aleister
a reply to: FlyersFan

Interesting, but now Jughead will have Veronica and Betty to himself, so, some harm, no foul. As for Archie's ending, I had no idea the comic was still being written. Is everyone in the comic still in high school (I guess your OP says they've grown up now. So does Jughead still wear that little crown hat?)

EDIT: Reread your post. Spiderman died? Peter Parker? Who's next, Casper?

Nah Veronica and Betty become a couple!
Archie always seemed gay.

It's just one last desperate cash grab from a rag that hasn't been relevant in 40 years.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
he looks like Lafayette from True Blood.

Ha! I don't know who that is, either. I'm going to have to research.

OK, I don't see the problem with Freedia. It's a man who shakes his bootie and yells "music". That's what I'd tell my kid. It is what it is.

But what is it?

This is what happens when propaganda imitates art or at least actual storytelling.

Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with people using whatever themes they want to express in their literature. It's part of the beauty of freedom of speech. However, this exemplifies poor storytelling. No one will remember this issue because the story dates itself. Does anyone really think anyone will think this issue of Archie to be revolutionary or ground-breaking in another 10 years? Will anyone be comparing this to some of Frank Miller's Batman work, for example, or Jack Kirby's stuff?

The best work takes the themes you wish to present and weaves them into the story in such a way that you don't realize you're reading and imbibing those themes in your enjoyment of the story, not until you spend some time thinking about it. With this, everyone knows without even reading what the themes are. That's propaganda, not storytelling, and sadly, it's all too common in the media we see these days all across the spectrum.

About the only thing they could do to make it even more cliché and trite would be to make the shooter a fundamentalist Christian or crazed veteran who'd served one too many tours in Iraq or Afghanistan.

originally posted by: abe froman
It's just one last desperate cash grab from a rag that hasn't been relevant in 40 years.

I believe you are being fairly benevolent.

originally posted by: ketsuko
This is what happens when propaganda imitates art or at least actual storytelling.

Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with people using whatever themes they want to express in their literature. It's part of the beauty of freedom of speech. However, this exemplifies poor storytelling. No one will remember this issue because the story dates itself. Does anyone really think anyone will think this issue of Archie to be revolutionary or ground-breaking in another 10 years? Will anyone be comparing this to some of Frank Miller's Batman work, for example, or Jack Kirby's stuff?

The best work takes the themes you wish to present and weaves them into the story in such a way that you don't realize you're reading and imbibing those themes in your enjoyment of the story, not until you spend some time thinking about it. With this, everyone knows without even reading what the themes are. That's propaganda, not storytelling, and sadly, it's all too common in the media we see these days all across the spectrum.

Your post does a good job of illustrating why I can't bring myself to enjoy the works of Social Justice warriors from prior decades. People are going to be laughing at this comic book (well, more than they are now) the way we laugh at G.I. Joe public service announcements.

originally posted by: ketsuko
About the only thing they could do to make it even more cliché and trite would be to make the shooter a fundamentalist Christian or crazed veteran who'd served one too many tours in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Shh, you're giving them ideas!

I'm sure that will be a page turner for all three readers of Archie.

How does Archie save his gay friend, anyway? Does the gunman only have one bullet? Or does Archie pull out a Glock 27 and stops the gunman?

Plot twist!

I guess that version doesn't fit into the liberal fantasy... He probably politically corrects the gunman into submission and the inherently evil gun shoots itself at Archie.

a reply to: FlyersFan


If I had wrote that story I would have made it to where his gay friend sees the guy about to shoot Archie and/or himself and pulls out his concealed carry and shoots that asshole. Everyone lives and the Archie universe can continue on until bored housewives stop shelling over their hard earned(taken from spouse) dollars in place of Danielle Steele novels.

does sex stuff really belong in children's comics like that? I'm of a different generation .... Sex, be it straight or gay or bi, is private and belongs in the bedroom and not in children's comics.

Sex in an Archie comic? As a pre teen in the late fifties I used to take my Archie comic and drool over the sweaters the girls wore. And when they wore bathing suits I sometimes got catatonic. Sometimes I would get tracing paper, put it over the drawing of Veronica or Betty, which ever was stretched out in the most provocative posture, and trace the outlines of their bodies, then go back and and fill in as much of the correct anatomical specifics as I could imagine.

Then I found Wonder Woman. Oo la la

a reply to: FlyersFan

now i know why i didn't like that comic. just kidding, never read it.

i read the thread tittle and thought about jughead or reggie being the gay one.

wasn't superman killed too?

anyway, good. kill archie to brainwash kids. who the f reads that anyway?
scooby-doo has more fans.

and they say the bible is bad and all about mind control.

lol, really can't dredge up any indignant anger about this, if this is the best the progs can do, good luck to em'.

I got to thinking, I was too young for politics, But what was going on when Superman was killed off? lol

**I guess I could google it.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: Aleister

I think Marvel are the best. DC and Dark Horse ... not so much.
I wonder if the movies will follow the comic .... Captain America gets killed by Loki.
The comics have Odin killed by Frost Giants.
But it looked to me like Loki killed him and took his place in the last Thor movie.

i'm pissed that hellboy is dead!

i have both movies on dvd.