Comic Character 'Archie' To Die Saving Gay Friend from Gun Violence

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: AfterInfinity
Makes me wonder why they don't do an Archie movie and try to revitalize the series.

Archie is so .... well .... 1940s. The little gang of friends are all very 1940s/1950s Americana. I think it's an outdated comic and doesn't resonate with todays youth. But I suppose you never know.

They remade the three stooges, so I'm going to hazard a guess and say they probably have ways of circumventing the gap in eras.

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: grandmakdw
Well some 42% of the nation is democrat and only some 31% are republican.

When you look at a graphic for the nation that shows red for republicans and blue for democrats what you see is republicans are fewer.

The nation is more liberal than conservative.

And your point is????????

So it is ok to paint all conservatives as homophobic and gun-toting murderers? Just because they are a minority in the population?

So it's ok for the liberals to shamelessly use this propaganda for capitalistic reasons, just to line the pockets of the corporation that publishes the comic, as long the propaganda is in there then it is fine and bound to be a good story line and not a sappy propaganda piece?

I didn't know the gunman in the comics was going to be portrayed as a conservative...?

Come on , get real, who else would a propaganda piece that is so PC have kill a gay person?

begin sarcasm :: Certainly not any liberal or progressive or Democrat, or Muslim, or Wiccan, or mentally challenged person -

in a piece like this - you know the killer will most likely be a "conservative, Republican, Christian", (oops almost forgot the killer must also be white) that is the only PC way to go because don't you know that these are the only evil people left in the world? ::end sarcasm

a reply to: grandmakdw

So it is ok to paint all conservatives as homophobic and gun-toting murderers?

Exactly, and the point of my post was to inform people through the comics about AIDS, which is a positive message that can save lives, without making anyone the villain.

And I am so sick of the liberal agenda of race baiters, sick of having my character maligned.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: grandmakdw
Well some 42% of the nation is democrat and only some 31% are republican.

When you look at a graphic for the nation that shows red for republicans and blue for democrats what you see is republicans are fewer.

The nation is more liberal than conservative.

And your point is????????

So it is ok to paint all conservatives as homophobic and gun-toting murderers? Just because they are a minority in the population?

So it's ok for the liberals to shamelessly use this propaganda for capitalistic reasons, just to line the pockets of the corporation that publishes the comic, as long the propaganda is in there then it is fine and bound to be a good story line and not a sappy propaganda piece?

I didn't know the gunman in the comics was going to be portrayed as a conservative...?

Come on , get real, who else would a propaganda piece that is so PC have kill a gay person?

begin sarcasm :: Certainly not any liberal or progressive or Democrat, or Muslim, or Wiccan, or mentally challenged person -

in a piece like this - you know the killer will most likely be a "conservative, Republican, Christian", that is the only PC way to go because don't you know that these are the only evil people left in the world? ::end sarcasm

I'd rather not assume. Just like I wouldn't assume that because of your criticism, you're a hardcore right wing fundie who supports both heavy oil consumption and sending troops to terrorize Middle Eastern families.

Also, I would go so far as to suggest that your reaction is just as lopsided as their pandering. No need to point fingers, because clearly, the comic is going to do that for both of us.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: grandmakdw

So it is ok to paint all conservatives as homophobic and gun-toting murderers?

Exactly, and the point of my post was to inform people through the comics about AIDS, which is a positive message that can save lives, without making anyone the villain.

And I am so sick of the liberal agenda of race baiters, sick of having my character maligned.

Can we quit with the buzz words? "Liberal agenda" strikes me as the ATS equivalent of YOLO. It's not cool, and more often than not, it's not applicable. Not to mention that it's a form of baiting in itself.

a reply to: grandmakdw
No it'll probably be a mentally disordered troubled young adult.

All the rage these days is to spot mental problems earlier and get them doped up sooner. Supposedly, it'll prevent the school shootings.

This might also have something to do with the school shootings:
www.pbs.org - Adolescent Brains are Work in Progress...
phys.org - Teen brains over-process rewards, suggesting root of risky behavior, mental ills...

..........
"The disorganized and excess excitatory activity we saw in this part of the brain means that reward and other stimuli are processed differently by adolescents," Moghaddam said. "This could intensify the effect of reward on decision making and answer several questions regarding adolescent behavior, from their greater susceptibility to substance abuse to their more extreme reactions to pleasurable and upsetting experiences."

In addition, malfunctions in the orbitofrontal cortex have been observed in cases of schizophrenia, mood disorders, and other psychological disturbances, Moghaddam said. The type of erratic activity in the cortex that she and Sturman observed could aggravate these conditions at a time when the maturing brain is vulnerable.

"The symptoms of these illnesses generally begin to appear during adolescence," Moghaddam said. "Adolescence is a period of behavioral and psychiatric vulnerabilities, so the disorganized brain activity and excess excitation could push a brain already predisposed to mental disorders too far, triggering the onset of symptoms."
..........

What I'm saying is they may discover adolescents inherently make bad choices or will make bad choices (possibly permanently) if in a bad sequence of events. The above link also says any conditions linked to adolescent brains might aggravate preexisting mental disorders.

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: grandmakdw
Well some 42% of the nation is democrat and only some 31% are republican.

When you look at a graphic for the nation that shows red for republicans and blue for democrats what you see is republicans are fewer.

The nation is more liberal than conservative.

And your point is????????

So it is ok to paint all conservatives as homophobic and gun-toting murderers? Just because they are a minority in the population?

So it's ok for the liberals to shamelessly use this propaganda for capitalistic reasons, just to line the pockets of the corporation that publishes the comic, as long the propaganda is in there then it is fine and bound to be a good story line and not a sappy propaganda piece?

I didn't know the gunman in the comics was going to be portrayed as a conservative...?

Come on , get real, who else would a propaganda piece that is so PC have kill a gay person?

begin sarcasm :: Certainly not any liberal or progressive or Democrat, or Muslim, or Wiccan, or mentally challenged person -

in a piece like this - you know the killer will most likely be a "conservative, Republican, Christian", that is the only PC way to go because don't you know that these are the only evil people left in the world? ::end sarcasm

I'd rather not assume. Just like I wouldn't assume that because of your criticism, you're a hardcore right wing fundie who supports both heavy oil consumption and sending troops to terrorize Middle Eastern families.

Also, I would go so far as to suggest that your reaction is just as lopsided as their pandering. No need to point fingers, because clearly, the comic is going to do that for both of us.

Your assumptions are wrong about me.

Just like a previous poster. I am tired of conservatives being painted in entertainment as "the new villan"

Even Eric Holder said publicly recently it is the conservatives that keep him up at night worrying they will attack.

Just because one believes in the constutition as the basis of our country (which is what a political conservative is believes) does not mean one is evil or dangerous.

Just because one is a Christian does not mean one is homophobic, or gun-toting, that is nasty left wing propaganda.

Just because one is a white Christian does not mean one is a homicidal maniac, that is nasty left wing propaganda.

Just because one is a white Christian it does not mean one doesn't want to live and let live, that is nasty left wing propaganda.


Just because one finds the liberal/progressive/Democrat agenda offensive, does not mean one is inherently evil, maybe one is

a pure libertarian and sees the liberal agenda leading to fascism, and dictatorship

which is currently being supported by the liberal/progressive/Democratic propaganda machine.



And what does oil and the middle east have to do with all this? Whoa! A little off the deep end there.


Lastly, just because one is angry at propaganda passing as entertainment and enlightenment
(I don't watch E by the way),
doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about me.

Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.
-Adolf Hitler

Just reading a book with this quote in it. Thought it appropriate, since we're all talking about propaganda.

a reply to: grandmakdw

It's just not fashionable to be a persecuted Christian.

originally posted by: beezzer
Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.
-Adolf Hitler

Just reading a book with this quote in it. Thought it appropriate, since we're all talking about propaganda.

and that propaganda is working considering the post I read on another topic

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: grandmakdw
Well some 42% of the nation is democrat and only some 31% are republican.

When you look at a graphic for the nation that shows red for republicans and blue for democrats what you see is republicans are fewer.

The nation is more liberal than conservative.

And your point is????????

So it is ok to paint all conservatives as homophobic and gun-toting murderers? Just because they are a minority in the population?

So it's ok for the liberals to shamelessly use this propaganda for capitalistic reasons, just to line the pockets of the corporation that publishes the comic, as long the propaganda is in there then it is fine and bound to be a good story line and not a sappy propaganda piece?

I didn't know the gunman in the comics was going to be portrayed as a conservative...?

Come on , get real, who else would a propaganda piece that is so PC have kill a gay person?

begin sarcasm :: Certainly not any liberal or progressive or Democrat, or Muslim, or Wiccan, or mentally challenged person -

in a piece like this - you know the killer will most likely be a "conservative, Republican, Christian", that is the only PC way to go because don't you know that these are the only evil people left in the world? ::end sarcasm

I'd rather not assume. Just like I wouldn't assume that because of your criticism, you're a hardcore right wing fundie who supports both heavy oil consumption and sending troops to terrorize Middle Eastern families.

Also, I would go so far as to suggest that your reaction is just as lopsided as their pandering. No need to point fingers, because clearly, the comic is going to do that for both of us.

Your assumptions are wrong about me.

Just like a previous poster. I am tired of conservatives being painted in entertainment as "the new villan"

Even Eric Holder said publicly recently it is the conservatives that keep him up at night worrying they will attack.

Just because one believes in the constutition as the basis of our country (which is what a political conservative is believes) does not mean one is evil or dangerous.

Just because one is a Christian does not mean one is homophobic, or gun-toting, that is nasty left wing propaganda.

Just because one is a white Christian does not mean one is a homicidal maniac, that is nasty left wing propaganda.

Just because one is a white Christian it does not mean one doesn't want to live and let live, that is nasty left wing propaganda.


Just because one finds the liberal/progressive/Democrat agenda offensive, does not mean one is inherently evil, maybe one is

a pure libertarian and sees the liberal agenda leading to fascism, and dictatorship

which is currently being supported by the liberal/progressive/Democratic propaganda machine.



And what does oil and the middle east have to do with all this? Whoa! A little off the deep end there.


Lastly, just because one is angry at propaganda passing as entertainment and enlightenment
(I don't watch E by the way),
doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about me.

You literally missed the entire point of my post. See this right here?

"Just like I wouldn't assume"

That was me clearly stating I was not making assumptions about you. And the rest were examples of the assumptions I COULD make, in the style of the assumptions you generously handed out...and are still handing out. "Nasty left wing propoganda". Maybe you should take a moment and actually think about what you're reading/posting. Take a look in the mirror while you're at it, too. That's the problem with these threads, everyone is just so darned eager to take a bite off of someone else. And if they're not doing it, they're standing in the back yelling, "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!"

Either way, this thread is wasting my time. Sayonara.

They are free to publish whatever they want.......their 2011 publication numbers show just over 16,000 per month average Publicaton numbers of the 5 comics. I can't imagine it being much more than that now.
Who ever read Archie in the first place, it wasn't ever cool to read.

The press they are getting for this will give them more of a bump than any creative writing/drawing by the Archie Team.

originally posted by: pavil
The press they are getting for this will give them more of a bump than any creative writing/drawing by the Archie Team.

Exactly. And posting about it here gets even more attention. There's NO WAY I would have heard about this story if it hadn't been posted here.

a reply to: beezzer
The constant clash of ideals between what people are told is socially acceptable and what they believe is good for them also causes stress which is bound to be released somehow, somewhere.


psychology.about.com...

It absolutely is warfare - a silent, cultural warfare being conducted from both sides. The question is, to what end?

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: beezzer
The constant clash of ideals between what people are told is socially acceptable and what they believe is good for them also causes stress which is bound to be released somehow, somewhere.


psychology.about.com...

It absolutely is warfare - a silent, cultural warfare being conducted from both sides. The question is, to what end?

TBH I believe it's all a test, see how much BS people will take before they rise up or if they will even rise up at all... A nice example of this little experiment is when they wanted to take the guns away from people, when they really wanted to push it, nobody was having it so most backed down pretty quickly. They're still pushing it, just not as much as they were, they are waiting for a later date waiting for us to be dumbed down more...

So, homosexuality is good and gun owners are evil. Is that what the artist is trying to say here? It seems that this is propaganda by the left. But he's entitled to write whatever he wants to. It is America, after all.

originally posted by: kosmicjack


It absolutely is warfare - a silent, cultural warfare being conducted from both sides. The question is, to what end?

To win, of course.

People don't fight for food anymore.
People don't fight for the best cave in the rocks anymore.
People don't fight for the best livestock or women or flags or hills anymore.

But people still fight. It is in our nature. We are a brutal warfare-filled species that fights.

Aspects of peace are an illusion. We only want peace at the loss of our enemy.

We now fight a war of ideals, a war of opinions, a war of thinking and beliefs.

It is not enough to simply accept life-styles and opinions that are different.

You're forced to be either pro or anti.

You're either with us or against us.

We see this daily on ATS. You can't be neutral on any issue anymore. If you are, your attacked for being not involved enough, or siding with the opposing opinion.

(and if you don't agree with me, the terrorists win)

originally posted by: beezzer
We now fight a war of ideals, a war of opinions, a war of thinking and beliefs.

Haven't people been fighting that war forever? All the religious wars are wars of beliefs.

It is not enough to simply accept life-styles and opinions that are different.

You're forced to be either pro or anti.

If it was just a "live and let live" situation, I think it would be a LOT easier not to fight. I don't have ANY problem when someone says, "This is what I believe". But when they say, "This is what I believe and you should behave according to my beliefs" and they work with government to legislate those beliefs, and they force their beliefs on me, that's when I fight back.

Hi I am new here. This is my first post. You all must not be comic book guys. The life with Archie comic is a spin off of the main Archie book following the parallel universes of Archie's married lives with both Betty and Veronica. Its a more adult oriented spin off of the classic Archie. Its an alternate reality non canon. The main comic titled Archie will still go on with Archie and the gang in highschool. So Archie is not really dying.

Its just like in other comics. Characters die all the time in alternate and future timelines that do not affect the main core books. So everyone can be happy. The left has its gay loving, gun bashing Archie, and the right has its 1950s wholesome family oriented Archie. There is even an Afterlife with Archie were he fights a zombie apocalypse for the doom porn crowd.

originally posted by: karmicecstasy
So Archie is not really dying. .

He dies in the alternate time line series in a manner that the publisher can get his propaganda across in. This is America so they can do what they want. I just wish that the propaganda wasn't so 'in your face' in this particular area. It's supposed to be entertaining ... and yet people get political statements shoved at them. Can't escape it.