Israel v. Gaza, US would do the same

I understand that it's easy to feel for the Palestinians. They're smaller,less populated,militarily tiny. They're the underdogs. I believe they should have their own sovereign nation, of course that's not all they want.

My point is, there are so many Americans that condemn the recent military actions of Israel in Gaza. But no one thinks, well what if Mexico or Canada launched 160 rockets randomly into the US and american teenagers were killed and sprawled out on the streets. Well, the US would bomb everything and everyone that had anything to do with the attack.

Just a bit hypocritical to condemn Israel for doing something the US would do in a New York minute were the roles reversed.

Really. What would the US do if it were in the position of Palestine?
Seriously, stop supporting apartheid.

Funny op, is the usa invading mexico for the murders of american citizens and law officers by the drug cartels, nope.

Who are the War Mongers of the world? Whenever there is a battle going on, who are the first nations to jump right in the middle of somebody elses fray and start swinging?

A lot of these conflicts have been started with false flags and lies spread by the media.

You either want peace, or you don't. It is complete hypocrisy to claim to be a peaceful nation while bombing other nation.
I see no justification for being the school yard bully. Violent action do promote peace.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

I loled.

US Americans maybe slow, dumb, or even just naive, but we do recognize wars of aggression. I see a problem here. Are you another that thinks the Palestinian people are sub human? Dogs? "Gentiles"?

Why the racism?

Coexist.

I have no problem with Jewish folks, but I gotta tell you OP, I'm beginning to get pissed off.

No exaggeration, no propaganda, this is a fricken massacre.

a reply to: pirhanna
Since 1776 the US has rarely been the underdogs, and comparing them to Palestine is retarded. Where did you read I support the segregation of Palestinian people *snip*. Hate it when people just add some BS I didn't say.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969
Murder and drug cartels vs cops is unfortunately a common thing in the US. And the drug cartels aren't dumb enough to fire rockets at the US. So of course they're not invading.

a reply to: canucks555
Just over 100 Palestinians are dead from this conflict. Mostly citizens.
Where *snip* was the outrage when 125 000 Iraqi citizens died, THAT was a massacre. There are wars in Africa with way more deaths going on right now.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

Israel should be more responsible. Not use the numbers of other wars to justify murder.

I think a better analogy for the Israel - Palestine issue is that between the UK and the IRA.

Here, the UK suffered mortar, rocket and machine gun attack over the border, the same attacks within our borders along with car bombs etc destroying town centres.

Did the UK launch full scale attacks against the Irish Republic? No, they did not. They treated the attacks as a criminal matter and worked with the Irish Government to curb the terrorists and reach a peace deal.

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
a reply to: dukeofjive696969
Murder and drug cartels vs cops is unfortunately a common thing in the US. And the drug cartels aren't dumb enough to fire rockets at the US. So of course they're not invading.

The cartels also didn't invade another nation crying God gave us this land. If another group of people did that to America we would constantly be shooting missiles at them. That is one thing that Israeli supporters like yourself constantly overlook Palestine had their land stolen from them and a hostile force moved on that land. Back in the day Americans killed people for stealing their land and we would do the same thing today.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

This whole nonsensical parade of madness was the/is the aftermath of a retaliation justified by the death/murder of three Jewish civilians right?

So... the all but annexing of what is left of Palestine is due to murder, I've heard of no law case or investigation through MSM about what the Israeli government found in terms of evidence...

I guess what I'm trying to say here is this case should have had nothing to do with the collective Palestinian people (if it was a Palestinian who committed the murders) it should have been the case of finding what individuals committed murder and bring them to justice. Instead the IDF was tasked with using tactics that would have made Gestapo proud and raided across boarder and used intimidation violence etc in the search of Israeli citizens. The blame was placed before a murder investigation could begin! To Israel it wasn't murder but terrorism, To Israel it seems those three lads who lost their lives was just an excuse.

And your saying the US would react the same...

Sooo for the sake of arguement, if a Canadian took three US hostages killed them and dumped the bodies for the CIA to find.

Do you believe that US authorities would hop the border and start an illegal investigation/mass raid upon Canadian soil to find it's citizens?

Do you believe Canada should sit down and STFU while this hypothetical invasion of US authorities run a mock with Canadian sovereignty, forcing itself upon Canada without a shred of evidence?

Then lets say out of desperation Canadians started launching inaccurate and highly ineffective home made rockets against US soil... With a success rate of probably worse than 1 death in every 2000 rockets launched. Would you say that the US would have every right to launch a full scale aerial bombardment in retaliation?

Wheat and chaf... lol, didn't even see the field from all the smoke. I wonder if those three kids will be martyrs if this escalates, will they even be remembered???

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
Just a bit hypocritical to condemn Israel for doing something the US would do in a New York minute were the roles reversed.

It is not just the US. All nations would not tolerate a steady stream of rockets from over the border. In many ways Israel appears to be quite restrained.

Regards

originally posted by: stumason
I think a better analogy for the Israel - Palestine issue is that between the UK and the IRA.

Here, the UK suffered mortar, rocket and machine gun attack over the border, the same attacks within our borders along with car bombs etc destroying town centres.

Did the UK launch full scale attacks against the Irish Republic? No, they did not. They treated the attacks as a criminal matter and worked with the Irish Government to curb the terrorists and reach a peace deal.

Exactly

Great to be back and see the old chaps still keep it real, this whole thing was a mockery of justice from day one.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

Yeah but the U.S would do it bigger. Also they'd kill more civilians than the original attacks.

a reply to: paraphi

There is no way that Israel's response could ever be called "restrained", it is entirely disproportionate.

Yes, Hamas shoots rockets off into Israel but these are either intercepted or land no where near anyone, causing nothing more than a hole in a field from it's 10kg warhead. Israel responds with bombs dropped equipped with warheads of 200kg or more in built up urban area's where civilians are all but guaranteed of being caught up in the violence.

I wouldn't mind Israel launching quick raids over the border with soldiers to grab those who launch the rockets, but their tactic of pummelling the entire area with advanced weaponry are entirely over the top.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

The U.S. has already proven your point, we kill people with drone's along with anyone in the vicinity quite often...remember the POTUS kill list.

There are people that want the U.S. gone or under Muslim rule, so how is this any different then the Palestinian's wanting Israel gone...we are allowed to defend the U.S. from people who hate us but the Israelis are not ?

How is this not hypocrisy at the survival level ?

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

While I am not a fan of BiBi and the current Government in Israel and never will be. I support Israel and it's people. They have a right to do whatever is required to defend and protect themselves and frankly they could care less what the world thinks of them. They will always do what is in there best interests as any Nation would.

No one in government in the US has any business talking smack to Israel for sure. Post 9/11 military actions perpetrated by the US Military under the guise of National Security is deplorable to say the least.

Not to Mention how long the US occupied Germany, Japan, Afghanistan, Iraq and so forth long after the major wars were over. If Israel wanted to invade and destroy Palestine it could have done so a long time ago.

Arab and Muslim countries want one thing and that is the destruction of all Jews. It's never been about land and never will be. Israel is far from perfect with how it handles many things but it's a far cry better even without the moral high ground compared to al of the other Nations in the Middle East combined.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0


I am not trying to be an A hole here .......

Well maybe I am just a bit....

But did you really have to go and start another Israel/ Palestinian thread ?

Their are many active threads on this issue that are still very active in discussion .

I am 100% sure you could have made this point in one of the threads ....and I am sure you would received a response ..


Just saying ...

Did you really need another thread ?