Christianity & Hobby Lobby

a reply to: cavtrooper7

They don't want LATE term abortions. is what I understood.

A late term abortion happens after a women is 20+ weeks. Abortions are hardly ever preformed that late unless doctors detect problems with the fetus, or with the mother. But, that is NOT what Hobby Lobby was objecting to.

Hobby Lobby was objecting to contraceptive methods which prevent pregnancy. Legally and medically pregnancy occurs when an embryo implants in a woman's uterus. Hobby Lobby objected to the kinds of contraception that prevent the embryo from implanting.

Abortions only legally and medically occur after implantation. Hobby Lobby "believes" every fertilized egg is sacred, and not allowing it to implant is akin to abortion/murder.

Obviously not all Christians believe that. Something like 98% of just Catholic Christian women of childbearing years have used their forbidden birth control, at one point or another.

Supreme Court ruled Hobby Lobby has the right to "believe" whatever they want. They can object to the contraception mandate based on their belief.

a reply to: windword

Supreme Court ruled Hobby Lobby has the right to "believe" whatever they want. They can object to the contraception mandate based on their belief.

Freedom is a wonderful thing isn't it.

God bless the Constitution !!

a reply to: xuenchen

Where I "believe" things go too far is when the Court asked them why their beliefs should have any effect on their employees choices. Their argument (basically) was: They couldn't trust their employees to make the "right" choices, and would be "sinning" themselves just by allowing the "sinful" choices to be available to their employees, even through a 3rd party. (Hobby Lobby is self insured)

This is why, supposedly, religious groups are crying foul by being "forced" to file a form declaring their objection, thereby authorizing a 3rd party to provide what they don't want their employees to have.

This is where our rights gets blurred, e.g. oppressed, and women are losing out on their 14th Amendment protections, albeit temporarily. (We hope)

a reply to: tsingtao
I guess you missed the part were it didn't affect me personally, but for young girls in my area, lack of access to BC is a huge problem. My concern is how it effects them and others in similar places. Many can not afford to see a Dr. P.P. charges on a sliding feel scale.

a reply to: calstorm
then have the man involved wear a seventy five cent condom.

originally posted by: Annee

The highest court in the American government is forcing women to be subjected to religious rule.

It very straight forward

Lets do some calculations;

population of America = 400 million.

half are women = 200 million.

2/5th of the women are beyond childbearing years = 80 million

1/5 are under child bearing years = 40 million

200 million minus 80+40 million = 80 million.

Hobby Lobby does not employ 80 million women.

Quit exaggerating like a woman to try to magnify the emotionalism of the argument.

Put on your big girl pants and deal with it buttercup. lol.
Can not tell you "to man up" cause that is sexist.

a reply to: spirited75
This article was posted by member desert in another thread dealing with these issues:


Dominionism's "parallel economy", Pt. 2: Dominionism's Corporate Sponsors

Hobby Lobby

Hobby Lobby may have the most egregrious links of all (aside from AmWay)--as we will see below, Hobby Lobby is a de facto funding front for one of the most infamous of dominionist denominations.

Hobby Lobby originally came under scrutiny because of things like playing only "Christian contemporary" music in its stores, closing on Sundays, and funding of some religious charities--these would be seen merely as "evangelical quirks" (similar to In-N-Out or Focus 21 putting Bible verses on their bags) were it not for some deeper investigation.

Firstly, Hobby Lobby actually has two divisions that deal with dominionist concerns:
* Mardel (a chain of Christian bookstores)
* Bearing Fruit Communications (an advertising and production company which deals heavily in promotion of dominionist media)

This is in addition to the other parts of a rather substantial empire:
* Hobby Lobby Creative Centers (the main craft store chain)
* Hemispheres (a home decor design company)
* Crafts Etc.! (an online and wholesale retailer of craft supplies)
* H. L. Construction (a construction company responsible for building Hobby Lobby stores)
* Hong Kong Connection (an import/export company dealing in Chinese goods)
* Greco Frame and Supply

There were already a few warning signs, though. Among other things, there had been a few reports of explicit religious discrimination, both against employees and against lesbian shoppers; previous research had also found that one of the "charities" being funded was none other than Jerry Falwell's Liberty University.

And there is much, much more in the article. Dated 2007.
HL is a Dominionist pusher. Period.

originally posted by: spirited75

originally posted by: Annee

The highest court in the American government is forcing women to be subjected to religious rule.

It very straight forward

Lets do some calculations;

Let's not.

One woman being forced to be subjected to religious rule by Americas highest court is one too many.

Numbers do not justify it.

Speaking of women being oppressed in the Right Wing Fundamentalist mindset, I just had to post this.

Renee Ellmer's, Tea-party darling.

“We need our male colleagues to understand that if you can bring it down to a woman’s level and what everything that she is balancing in her life — that’s the way to go,” Ellmers said. (Emphasis added.) www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...

And add the part about opposition to abortion, of any kind, for any reason -- which ties it into the Hobby Lobby forced "belief" on all women by 5 old fart male Catholics who just happen to be judges on the USSC.

On Friday, a group of the more conservative Republican women in the U.S. House of Representatives attended an RNC Women conference focused on how to talk to women voters about Republican policies. Most of the attendees were members of the ultra-conservative Republican Study Committee, a group of 170 House Republicans who think the GOP-led House isn't tough enough on the budget and are opposed to same-sex marriage and abortion for any reason. As there are only 19 women Republicans in the House, it wasn't a large meeting, which may be why there mainstream media ignored it.

As Jesus said:

So what way is it ?

Religion is BAD or GOOD ?

Oh for crying outloud.

Hobby Lobby provided 16 forms of birth control.

Why are some people crying about the 4 they can get on their own.

Hell Hobby Lobby pays them a nice hourly.

Back to pushing demagogic bubbles.

a reply to: Annee

What I find so amusing about the Feminist movement that empowers women to take control of their lives and destiny is that it breeds thousands upon thousands of women who now begin to define themselves as "a victim of this...." "a victim of that..."

A victim of the glass ceiling
a victim of males exploiting the female body pornography
victims of inequitable wages.
victim of pms
victim of menopause
victim of overweight and cannot control it
victim of the five catholic supreme court judges
victim of the hobby lobby CEO religious beliefs
victim of the republican war on women
AND THE LIST OF VICTIMS JUST GOES ON AND ON.


EDIT TO ADD THIS ONE THAT annee JUST IDENTIFIED

VICTIM women being oppressed in the Right Wing Fundamentalist mindset,

Did you catch that BEING OPPRESSED .........BY THE MINDSET.

a MINDSET CAN NOT OPPRESS SOMEONE.

Delusional, dishonest, deceitful, dung and dribble.

christians can do whatever they want

a reply to: Annee

do not want calculations and facts, the facts and truth just get in the way of your opinion, right?

Reminds me of the knock knock joke Putin told Obama.

knock
knock

who's there

Crimea

Crimea who

Crimea river over even one victimized abused oppressed woman by a decision of the SCOTUS.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

America is the land of the free is it not?

They can do what they want to with the money they make in their business.

Sure pisses atheists off though i bet.

a reply to: spirited75

Right! Because we all know that Christians are the real victims here in America.

Oh woe! Pray and weep bitter tears for the oppressed Christian majority!

originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: Annee

What I find so amusing about the Feminist movement that empowers women to take control of their lives and destiny is that it breeds thousands upon thousands of women who now begin to define themselves as "a victim of this...." "a victim of that..."

If you're a guy, I really don't care what you think of women's rights.

I'm in my 60s. I lived the fight of gender equality that still has a long way to go.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: spirited75

Right! Because we all know that Christians are the real victims here in America.

Oh woe! Pray and weep bitter tears for the oppressed Christian majority!

Seriously!

I grew up Christian. When it comes to persecution, I think they are the creators.

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
no company should be able to force their religious views onto your personal health care plan.

No worker should be able to force their religious views onto family who runs the company.
If the worker wants free abortificants, they can go work elsewhere.
No one is stopping them from walking out the door.

a reply to: spirited75

Sure pisses atheists off though i bet.

I wouldn't know. Not an atheist.

And DEFINITELY not a Dominionist, which these people are.
But hey, if you want to live in a country that is an Evangelical Fundamentalist Theocracy, that's your business.

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
a reply to: NthOther

I didn't say any of that lol. Where are you getting this from?...Christians shouldn't be lifted higher than other religions and no company should be able to force their religious views onto your personal health care plan.

How was Christianity lifted higher than other religions in this case. You make some very BIG assumptions--first that the Justices voted the way they did because they were "Catholic men" and not strictly adhering to the Constitution. I disagree. Their decision was in holding with both the spirit and letter of the Constitution. Secondly you make the assumption of that if it were Muslims, they would not have made the same decision--you cannot assume such and have no evidence to assume such. In fact Muslims and Muslim run businesses have been accommodated.