Christianity & Hobby Lobby

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: spirited75

the cost for the morning after pill.

researched and brought up due to the misrepresentation on some of the posters behalf in here that it was going to cause a God awful financial burden on women.

My IUD was paid for in full by my company provided insurance.

The companies religious belief was never considered, as it shouldn't be --- because it's none of their damn business.

The morning after pill is none of your business either.

if you cannot control conception with the products
supplied be Hobby Lobby, then you are probably not
smart enough to be adding to the gene pool.

Fresh Unlimited Inc. won’t have to provide contraceptive coverage for its employees under the Obama administration’s health-care reform law, in what may be among the first exemptions granted since a June U.S. Supreme Court ruling. The parent of Freshway Foods today won an appeals court ruling that qualifies it for the same treatment the high court approved in its June 30 Hobby Lobby decision, allowing family-run businesses to claim a religious exemption from the health- care law’s requirement to include contraceptives in their health insurance plans. The suit by Francis and Philip Gilardi, who own Sidney, Ohio-based Freshway, is one of about 50 filed by for-profit businesses over religious objections to the 2010 law’s birth- control coverage mandate. The Gilardis are Roman Catholic and claimed that complying with the mandate would require them to violate deeply held religious beliefs. U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan in Washington in March 2013 ruled against the Gilardis, saying that he couldn’t allow a corporation to assert the religious beliefs of individuals. The U.S. Court of Appeals reversed part of Sullivan’s decision and the ruling was put on hold pending the Supreme Court’s resolution of the Hobby Lobby case. In addition to carving a hole in Obamacare, the Hobby Lobby ruling marked an expansion of corporate rights, allowing companies, like people, to claim religious freedom under federal law. Today’s order sends the Freshway case back to Sullivan with instructions to issue an order granting an exemption and to consider whether to extend it to the Gilardis.

www.newsmax.com...

a reply to: spirited75

they're catholic so tell me just how does one control reproduction effectively with none?

go find a job somewhere else.
at a company which replicated
the nanny state and caters to
all the wants of its employees.

You are a woman asking me about how to control
conception without any conception control chemicals?????

nail some boards on the bottom of the feet.

a reply to: spirited75

"go find a job somewhere else."

kind of like how the family could just find someone else to hold the funeral for the dead gay guy in 24 hours?
yes because we all know how plentiful jobs are now days!! and well sorry we all aren't rich like hobby lobby owners we just can't close up shop and retire in comfort!

"nail some boards on the bottom of the feet. "

I don't buy that one!!
The owners of Hobby Lobby are baptists. I know their doctrine! In their view the women are subservient to their husbands. It would be just as much a sin in their eyes , probably more for a wife to deny sex to her husband long term than it would be for hobby lobby to provide insurance that covers birth control. Heck I've even had fundamentalist christians trying to justify a father sexual abusing his daughter because the mother left him thus denying him the sex as if he had no choice after that than to go after the girl! No! you can't have it both ways!

You seem to be insulting other people's intelligence for not being able to find a way to control their reproductive processes and adapt to the situation. But, I know this is about the third or fourth time, maybe more that we have pointed out that this has already expanded to include MORE COMPANIES THAN HOBBY LOBBY AND ALL FORMS OF BIRTH CONTROL FOR THEM!

And.. while your telling them that they shouldn't be contributing to the gene pool you are all for throwing up roadblocks for them to obtain that one thing that would keep them from doing just that..
Maybe we aren't the only ones that shouldn't be contributing???



and by the way both me an Annee have already contributed and can't any longer. although there might be a time in the future that we may need them for other reasons.

a reply to: dawnstar

naturalist which atheists fall into as a category of worldviews believe in nature and natural course of events.

where is the integrity in putting chemicals in your body that are not naturally made there to change or alter your natural chemical composition?

Catholics teach Natural Family Planning.

Naturalists want to believe in nature and natural happenings but want to
alter it when it suits them with unnatural chemicals and unnatural IUD's.

conception control is a more honest and truthful term for what is the subject here.

True conception control is abstinence, or do not let the little
NATURALLY feisty and rambunctious SPERM inside the room where there is
NATURALLY an egg just begging to be NATURALLY fertilized.



If you have sex----naturally you will eventually get pregnant. That is if NATURE intended for you to get pregnant Right?

a reply to: spirited75

kind of like letting the cancer patient naturally die right???

I mean why have a healthcare system at all let alone insurance.
we can just let nature take it's course!!
would save us a ton of money!!!

a reply to: dawnstar

this is not a thread about cancer it is a thread
about christianity and conception control.

try to stay on the subject of the topic please and stop trying to derail the thread.

what is natural about putting unnatural chemicals in your body
to terminate a natural process?

originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: dawnstar

this is not a thread about cancer it is a thread
about christianity and conception control.

try to stay on the subject of the topic please and stop trying to derail the thread.

what is natural about putting unnatural chemicals in your body
to terminate a natural process?

Doesn't the Bible talk about making certain women "Drink Bitter Water" to cause abortions???

www.nbcnews.com...-sLf6P-L1U
death is very much a natural process also. didn't see the christian right accepting that one!


effectiveness rates
IUD- fewer than one in one hundred will become pregnant using this method of birth control

Periodic abstinence and fertility awareness methods - 25 out of 100 will get pregnant trying to use this method.

so let's say we have a women who's had a doctor already warn her of the bad consequences that might occur if she tries to carry another baby to full term or maybe she doesn't need a doctor to be apprehensive about it.
You are saying she should just accept that her company has decided not to include birth control in her health insurance on a religious basis and well if she can't afford to pay full price she can just use a natural method that has an effectiveness rate of 25/100?? never mind that the boss' religion has never really got past the garden of eden and god's proclamation of obedience to men and still places women in a subservient role under men and therefore attempts to convince her that weather or not she can regulate the time that there is sex is totally up to the man..

never mind that money is taken from her check every week and used to give thousands of women free birth control of their choice!

and of course never mind if she can't afford the bills when it comes to deliver the child!! she doesn't need adequate medical care even though the doctor has said all along that this would be a risky pregnancy! na
it's a natural process!! she can just squat in a field somewhere and drop it before can expect the holier than now christian right to willingly give up any of their money to help her out!!!

our houses are built with materials containing dangerous chemicals
our food is filled with them
so is our air
so is that blankie that is covering the sleeping baby in the crip
so is that sweet smelling perfume that the women use every day
so is that factory the printer goes to everyday to earn their paycheck

but she should be concerned about the chemicals that are in the birth control that is preventing her from becoming pregnant and avoid the consequences of giving birth!!!

got it
some will go to the ends of the earth to protect a business' rights to practice a religious that by it's very doctrine restricts women and use it as a basis to also try to restrict her.

a reply to: spirited75

Ever heard of the naturalistic fallacy? Just because something is natural does not always necisarily mean it is good or best.

Also for the record there are herbal and dietary things that lead to misscarriage so even if you go through the idea of natural you still can fit abortion in there so it doesnt really support too much you are trying to get across.

originally posted by: Aural
a reply to: spirited75

Ever heard of the naturalistic fallacy? Just because something is natural does not always necisarily mean it is good or best.

Also for the record there are herbal and dietary things that lead to misscarriage so even if you go through the idea of natural you still can fit abortion in there so it doesnt really support too much you are trying to get across.

i know that just because a black widow spider is naturally poisonous does not mean that is good for me.

jimson weed is the same way

lots of things are not good for one in nature.

what kind of internal integrity is there when a naturalist puts unnatural chemicals in her body to stop a natural process and event---------the same kind that smears unnatural chemicals and goop on her face to hide the truth.


truth is sexual intercourse naturally leads to pregnancy.
best conception control---abstinence--- not unnatural chemicals.

a reply to: spirited75

truth is sexual intercourse naturally leads to pregnancy.
best conception control---abstinence--- not unnatural chemicals.

The truth is that sexual intercourse CAN lead to females becoming pregnant only a few days out of a month, while the urge for males to have sex permeates their thoughts all day long, every day of the month.

Sex is good for the body and the soul. It aides in much needed stress release and enhances physical and emotional bonds. It's fun, entertaining and good exercise. Pregnancy, on the other hand, was the cause of much suffering and early death among women for millenniums, before the advent of birth control.

Promoting abstinence as a method of birth control is not only unrealistic but unhealthy. Having children isn't the only reason people have sex, and teaching that it should be is just nuts.

There's more to sex than having children, and women who are sexually active, but choose not to have a baby, are not sluts or otherwise immoral people. Hiding behind the ideal of "The way God created us" or "The natural way" is hypocritical. From the beginning we were doing unnatural things, like killing animals to use their skin to clothe and protect us from nature.

From the moment that Adam and Eve ate the apple, humanity was destined to be enemies with nature, and birth control and even abortion are not any different than any other thing we clever humans do to outsmart Mother Nature.

a reply to: spirited75

Internal integrity means doing what ones self beleives in not what others do.