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You appear to absolutely not understand at all what the detection actually looks like on a phenomenological level
its an interesting statement, not only disproven by countless experimentation and observation, but also is impossible to use to produce what we actually see in something like a vertex detector.
hell even a spark chamber disproves it.
The reason is that in your model or idea, light can't carry momentum. it is always a zero momentum phenomenon and that somehow, if light is detected in one spot, the whole spherical wave front dies instantly.
originally posted by: InTheLight
This thread trespasses into the philosophical here and there.
Make a new thread, stop hiding in this one...
its funny really since its clear you had no clue to any of that information or history until I pointed you at it.
originally posted by: Oleandra88I think they donot bounce out. Because pupils show black, this means to me, nothing is reflected, all absorbed.
If photons bounce back then you you don't see those personally but as moebius says your eye doctor can see them bouncing back when he shines a light in your eye. You don't see the photons that bounce off, the photons that are absorbed by your photoreceptors are what end up sending signals to your brain.
originally posted by: Oleandra88
Okay I have deep question, I try best:
If a photon or wave is hitting my eye it makes me see the light from where it bounced off.
I think in some sense we have mapped some of the universe in a type of 4D already. Parts of space which are relatively empty have relatively "flat" spacetime, with not much curvature of the space or effect on time, whereas parts of the universe with a lot of matter like galaxy clusters have a mapped matter density which does have an effect on time. Here's an example of a portion of such a map of warped space-time. The darker the color the more dark matter, the more warping of space-time, the more clocks will tend to run more slowly, and the more gravitational lensing will occur.
then we can map universe in 4D or not?
Figure 4: An example of 3D distribution of dark matter reconstructed via tomographic methods using the weak lensing technique combined with the redshift estimates of the background galaxies.
Parts of space which are relatively empty have relatively "flat" spacetime, with not much curvature of the space or effect on time, whereas parts of the universe with a lot of matter like galaxy clusters have a mapped matter density which does have an effect on time.
A picture is worth a thousand words so just try looking at the curved arc in this picture and try to think about what would make it look like that, instead of like a normally shaped galaxy. Something is warping, or distorting the view, right?
originally posted by: Oleandra88
Hello Arbitrageur,
I read this and maybe I understand not half off what you write with the space time.
That's not exactly what I wrote. The photon absorbed by the photoreceptor doesn't go directly to the brain, it initiates a process that ends up sending a signal to the brain.
But you write, the photon is then the signal to the brain.
I'm not sure it's a physics question, it's more like neuroscience and I'm not an expert in that field but I think it's safe to say the answer is we don't really know exactly how that works but we have some clues and researchers are trying to figure it out.
1 photon is then only 1 signal on a photoreceptors. How do we make map or picture from it?
You're definitely trolling, and I reported it to the moderators, because the wiki article you refer to on the solar neutrino problem does not say the explanation is a "fairy tell story[sic]". If you actually read the explanation you've shown zero comprehension of what it said and if your comprehension is that bad there's no point in trying to answer any of your questions, so I'm just going to ignore your posts from now on. I think you actually have the capacity to try to understand what the wikipedia article says about that topic but you show no interest in having an intelligent discussion about it.
originally posted by: KrzYma
sure the neutrino problem was "explained"... why not another fairy tell story... all working fine till now
yes... I'm trolling by using wiki... think !
I think whether or not you admit you support EU ideas, your non-quantitative approach is exactly the same so I think this citation can serve as a suitable response to all the claims you try to make telling us how the universe is, without using any equations or math; that's scientifically a "non-starter" as the article says.
The electric universe concept does not meet the National Academy of Sciences' definition of a "theory," which is "a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence" and "can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed."
In physics, theories need math. That's how you predict, gather evidence, verify, disprove, and support. But EU theory isn't big on math. In fact, "Mathematics is not physics," Thornhill said. While that equation aversion makes the theory pretty much a nonstarter for "mainstream" astronomers, it is the exact thing that appeals to many adherents.
"They don't blind you with science," said Rasjid Smith, who learned EU theory from YouTube. "It is understandable to a capable schoolchild."
what exactly do you mean if you say "have an effect on time" ??
what is the curvature of the space and how one can see ( detect ) ??
is apace bending the same as bending a stick ???
Yes the universe is described as having a "flat" cosmological geometry.
originally posted by: Phantom423
I was reading a thread over in Space Exploration and have some questions about the expansion of the universe.
The cosmological scale of the universe is described as being flat. If the speed of light can vary with time, why doesn't the cosmological “shape” of the universe change?
This graphic I posted earlier shows the how mass density varies and as we know mass can curve local spacetime:
According to Einstein’s theory of general relativity, massive objects warp the spacetime around them, and the effect a warp has on objects is what we call gravity. So, locally, spacetime is curved around every object with mass.
Mass also has an effect on the overall geometry of the universe. The density of matter and energy in the universe determines whether the universe is open, closed, or flat. If the density is equal to the critical density, then the universe has zero curvature; it is flat.
These are good questions. Some people criticize physicists for assuming "constants" are "constant", but are they? You can actually find some research into investigating if this is the case or not. Here's an interesting article discussing that question and some of the research done.
It's confusing because special relativity describes our local time frame where c cannot increase, but then everything changes once we're looking at the universe way “out there” because of time (I think). If c can vary “out there” why would we expect Euclidean geometry or thermodynamics or anything else apply “out there”? If by some magical system we were able to go “out there”, near the horizon, which laws would apply? Would we experience local time frame rules or the “out there” rules?
It just seems to me that these local and “out there” rules should merge. Why should the speed of light be restricted locally and unrestricted "out there"?
Maybe as observations get better we might find some deviations in what we think are constant but so far, the constants really seem to be constant.
Over the past few decades, there have been extensive searches for evidence of variation of fundamental "constants." Among the methods used have been astrophysical observations of the spectra of distant stars, searches for variations of planetary radii and moments of inertia, investigations of orbital evolution, searches for anomalous luminosities of faint stars, studies of abundance ratios of radioactive nuclides, and (for current variations) direct laboratory measurements.
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So far, these investigations have found no evidence of variation of fundamental "constants." The current observational limits for most constants are on the order of one part in 10^10 to one part in 10^11 per year. So to the best of our current ability to observe, the fundamental constants really are constant.
So far, these investigations have found no evidence of variation of fundamental "constants." The current observational limits for most constants are on the order of one part in 10^10 to one part in 10^11 per year. So to the best of our current ability to observe, the fundamental constants really are constant.
I never heard it called "little big bang" and I don't like that term, but there is a point about half the present age of the universe according to George Smoot where the effect of dark energy started to become significant. It's not like it suddenly appeared, but if our guess is right that it is the vacuum energy property of space, if there's not much space between things in the first half of the age of the universe, then dark matter doesn't have as much effect. As the space between things continues to increase, then with more space the effects of dark energy become more significant, which makes sense to me.
originally posted by: Phantom423
If momentum is added to the system via the little big bang at 7.5 B years ago, the new momentum would be the original momentum from the big bang plus the momentum derived from the little big bang.
You could misinterpret what George Smoot says that way when he says expansion started to accelerate when the universe what half it's present size after 16 minutes in the video. Maybe it sounds like a binary switch was turned on at that point but he's oversimplifying that and a lot of other things to address a non-technical audience. The increasing effect of dark energy is gradual, not something that suddenly appeared (it would be related to the cosmological constant Lambda in the math at the link below for the Lambda-CDM_model if you want to review the math).
So why do we need dark energy? All the energy to produce the scenario described above was contained in the original dense point or mass. If dark energy existed, it would have had to be in that original dense point. The way I'm reading it, dark energy just appeared out of nowhere at some point and became the driving force for expansion.
I'm not sure what you mean but the universe doesn't care what we think or what models we make, it does what it does and we are pretty sure all our models are wrong in the sense that they are only approximations of what nature does, generally within a limited range of conditions. We are fairly certain that in the hottest densest part of the big bang conditions were beyond our current theories, so we don't understand what nature really did at first.
Does the universe recognize our constants?
Symmetry is somewhat of a broad term but one example of symmetry is that the speed of light is considered to be constant in all reference frames. As for proof, we can never "prove" anything is true, we can only say a theory is consistent with observations until it's not, and then it might be proven wrong if observations disagree with theory. But so far the idea that the speed of light is constant seems to hold up in our tests, along with other predictions of relativity.
If it did, wouldn't that prove symmetry? I don't think anyone has proven symmetry.
As I said symmetry is a broad term and the speed of light being constant in all reference frames is one example. There are other types of symmetries like C-symmetry or charge symmetry which deals with charges of particles and anti particles, like the electron and positron are similar except have opposite charges, so they have a type of symmetry.
The LHC proved the Higgs. But it didn't discover any other new particles which I think were supposed to be related to symmetry. Not sure about any of this – just my impression from reading articles.