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fascinating! that design principle could be applied to materials other than iron as well. add in borene, CNTs, titanium, tungsten all of similar dimensions and shape...
originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: stormbringer1701
Thought you might be interested in this it's the strongest material known. And its made by nature amazing the stuff we find.
www.usatoday.com...
Is the vacuum of space a real object unto itself, or is it simply emptiness, a nothing that does not exist in the absence of matter? From the viewpoint of Descartes and Leibniz, without physical objects, "space" would be meaningless because space is the framework upon which we understand how physical objects are related to each other. Sir Isaac Newton, on the other hand, argued for an absolute space ("container space"), which can continue to exist in the absence of matter.
In the 19th century, James Clerk Maxwell introduced the idea of an electromagnetic ether - a medium of space capable of supporting the structures of the electric and magnetic fields or light. Maxwell's idea of space was that it had a density and a transverse elasticity - when stressed it would impose a restoring force, much like a solid. This made it suitable for the transmission of transverse waves that waved in the body of the medium. It was Maxwell's challenge for an experiment to detect this medium that led to the Michelson and Morley (M&M) experiment of 1881 and 1887. There is good reason to believe that the M&M experiment was the wrong one for the job, but at the time it confounded the understanding of researchers. This frustration opened the way for the introduction of new theories that might solve the dilemma, such as Einstein's relativity theory.
Does QEM offer any further answers? Feynman continues with Einstein's notion that light is a particle -Feynman refers to the particle existing in space time. Feynman implies that the wave-particle duality of the photon was resolved in favour of the particle. He says quite explicitly - "I want to emphasize that light comes in this form - particles. It is very important to know that light behaves as particles, especially for those of you who have gone to school, where you were probably told something about light behaving as waves. I am telling you the way it does behave, like particles." Feynman , QED, P. 15. He argues that even though wave theory correctly predicts the "why" of partial reflection, and particle photon theory does not, QED is only concerned with predicting the probability of the event and thereby the "why" is not something that the theory can or will explain. P.24 of Feynman's "QED".
It is the force which governs the motion of the atoms, which causes them to collide and develop the life-sustaining energy of heat and light, and which causes them to aggregate in an infinite variety of ways, according to Nature's fanciful designs, and to form all these wondrous structures we perceive around us, it is, in fact, if our present views be true, the most important force for us to consider in Nature.
originally posted by: pfishy
Has anyone with a strong background in particle physics, in this thread, ever taken a serious look at the model Swann has been trying to develop?
That seems to imply Tesla said something about charge resonance being related to gravity but your quote doesn't say that and besides, even if it did, we already know that Tesla was a great engineer but a terrible physicist, so he made lots of false remarks about physics that don't mean much. So what evidence have you that gravity has to do with "charge resonance"?
originally posted by: KrzYma
I told you it has to do with field density and charge resonance.
here from Tesla...
I think a deeper understanding of gravity than we have now is possible, but since we don't have that understanding yet, the question is open. I've seen nothing to suggest gravity has to do with "charge resonance".
what could this force be ??
Thanks for the link, now I see what you're talking about when you mention refraction.
originally posted by: KrzYma
and because you asked
1 Light Propagation in a Gravitational Field
I wondered what the observable distinction would be and he claims that in most cases there's no observable distinction, but finally I found what seems to be a prediction of some sort of difference between the two ideas related to gravitational redshifting or blueshifting as light leaves or enters the gravitational field of a star or planet.
-With Gravitational refraction, the frequency shift is virtual and caused only by the mechanical effects of gravity on clocks.
-For Einstein, the speed of light across the beam is at different speeds in absolute time because local time is running slower on the side of the beam closest to the massive body.
So he seems to be proposing an experimental test, which can finally distinguish his proposed model from Einstein's model, but alas, I don't think he's really thought this through. He doesn't actually propose any specific experimental test and I think no matter what test he proposes I can find a flaw in it such that it won't really distinguish between "the mechanical effects of gravity on clocks" and "time running at a different rate", but if he thinks he can, I'd like to see such a test. This idea of a test has many flaws.
The only way to tell the difference is to see if more energy is absorbed or not at S1. From my review of the literature, I can't find any experimental reference testing this idea that a beam of light gains energy in a gravitational field, or looses energy escaping it. This is hard to accept, since the emission and reception of light by electrons in atoms does not affect its mass.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: Entropy1971
Hi and welcome to ATS!
The sun is orbiting the center of the Milky Way and if you didn't also, you'd get left behind while the sun continued in its orbit. You'd see the planets making a corkscrew-like motion through space, as they followed the sun sort of like this, except the orbit of the planets is at 60 degrees, not 90 degrees, and this is not to scale, so this is slightly off, but it still gives you a good idea of the "corkscrew motion" (There's a video at the link that corrects the angle issue but not the scale issue).
astrorhysy.blogspot.com...
So in other words, 12 months later, the Earth would be over 7.2 billion kilometers away from you from this motion alone, since the sun is traveling at about 1/1300 the speed of light in its orbit.
There are even more motions which could be considered, such as the motion of the Milky Way (it's moving with respect to the CMB, or cosmic microwave background).
other than the possibility of improper variables which i am to lazy to look up right now when you talk about extracting energy from an escaping mass i run into questions about gravitational self energy (ever since i read Dr Woodward's book.) it's one of those terms where there is a divergence or infinity involved. your point probably does not involve gravitational self energy though because most physicists have simply written it off as a math artifact and drive on with the rest of the equations. normally when i read about doppler shifts gravity is neglected. i.e a star is approaching our sun has a blue shift and one receding has a red shift. i honestly thought gravity doesn't extract energy so much as it curves the space an object is moving through; in extreme cases so that the path curves back on itself. an object held above a more massive object has potential energy. and as it approaches the potential energy is translated into KE. for an object in a gravity well but travelling away the potential energy would appear to increase.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: greenreflections
I suggest reading this post to see if that answers your question, but no those are not synonymous. We haven't got a good model yet for exactly what's in the vacuum but we're pretty sure it's not "nothing". Even if there's no baryonic matter present we think it probably contains at least some energy. Space is a more generic term that could be filled with air so it doesn't have to imply a vacuum, though it could be used that way also, but if you want to do that it would be better to give it a qualifier like "deep space" or "outer space" which would then imply a near vacuum.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: stormbringer1701
By the way, I didn't notice it when I posted it, but I just noticed the graphic I posted with three slides from the university of Colorado on gravitational red shift and time dilation has an error, or at least I don't see any way to interpret it so that it doesn't have that error. Can anybody spot the error?
Tin is a malleable, ductile and highly crystalline silvery-white metal
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: stormbringer1701
You're welcome. Too bad it's not quite right. The physicist at the link made a corrected model but it's not a GIF so unfortunately the only GIF I could find was of that somewhat incorrect version. He also raised an interesting question about the orientation of our solar system for an entire orbit of our sun around the galaxy and he doesn't know the answer to that question and neither do I, but if his alternate model is correct, what is shown in that graphic could change significantly over time, but we are talking 240 million years per orbit so it's not something we will observe in our lifetimes.
By the way, I didn't notice it when I posted it, but I just noticed the graphic I posted with three slides from the university of Colorado on gravitational red shift and time dilation has an error, or at least I don't see any way to interpret it so that it doesn't have that error. Can anybody spot the error?
originally posted by: KrzYma
a reply to: Arbitrageur
... you are welcome !
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E=hv or ʎ=c/v has no meaning.
v is change in time, --> counting !!
I said once that "energy" in a wave is wavelength independent if you remember.
Only the work it is doing is different !
Work is the "change" done in time, energy is not.
What is energy anyway ?? just an expression for something that does the work
but you will disagree again
I see it this way, no change --> no time, because time is sensation and nothing real ---> counting !!
To explain my field density you need to imagine an predetermined range in infinity.
No beginning or ending however. ( quanta as perceived "scale" just for definition meaning)
Now, if the E field changes, a reconfiguration in the field happens, the B field is the manifestation of it.
Talking your language... imagine density as bits in one place. Like photons "stack" in one place.
Those "bits" have to take a new value after the change in E field.
Every change is "time" consuming --> actually it is the time itself as I see it
Like one "bit" transfers the "information" to the next "bit" and so on...
... denser field takes "longer" for the outside observer.
a wave of 1m has the same "energy" as a wave of 1cm...
explanation...
imagine just one free charge and nothing else.
EM wave, actually just the B field is displacing it.
1m/s wave will displace it the same amount as 1cm/s wave, it only "takes longer"
but you can not "count" any change if only one charge exist, can you ?
you need at least 3 charges and 2 distances between them, 1->2->3
"->" between any of them is the "change"
you compare one "->" (distance) to the other "->" (distance)to "see" the difference, or not ??
2 charges universe has no meaning at all because there is nothing you can compare to/with... (distances between them)
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because I am me I need to do some blasphemy
watch this... and the preview one and the next if you like...
haha...
so, if the math doesn't fit, the electron becomes a wave, the "solid" nucleus becomes a Huygen source, and the used material is always that to fit the experiment... oh gosh...
Sn is...
Tin is a malleable, ductile and highly crystalline silvery-white metal
I think what they have measured , is the lattice size...
Bingo! You get a star for that!
originally posted by: EasyPleaseMe
Shouldn't time tick slower nearer the Earth?
Not-space, but space-time, and in this case, specifically time.
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
i honestly thought gravity doesn't extract energy so much as it curves the space an object is moving through; in extreme cases so that the path curves back on itself.
I find it hard to disagree with something I can't even understand.
originally posted by: KrzYma
but you will disagree again
That's not "talking my language", I have no idea what that means. I tried to imagine a stack of photons reacting to a change in an E field but if you want me to understand what you're talking about you'd have to point to some kind of experiment where this has happened. Electrons will react to an e-field, did you mean to say electrons instead of photons?
Now, if the E field changes, a reconfiguration in the field happens, the B field is the manifestation of it.
Talking your language... imagine density as bits in one place. Like photons "stack" in one place.
Those "bits" have to take a new value after the change in E field.
I really tried but I couldn't make any sense out of it either.
originally posted by: dragonridr
This makes no sense at all.
I'm not sure if I understand your question because it seems to me like you answered your own question about the differences. However let's approach this another way and see if it clarifies the comparison.
originally posted by: Phantom423
I have a question about the first slide - I thought that gravitational redshift was photons climbing out of the energy well. Since they can't slow down, a photon lowers energy and frequency. The first slide shows an apple escaping the Earth - but the apple can slow down and can't equal its escape velocity. How does that slide fit with the other two - sorry for poor terminology.
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
i have absolutely no interest in ways to make "better" atomic bombs. I do however take interest in anything that says it will be possible to make micro-grams of antimatter. Thats because micro-grams are enough to power spaceships on long distance/duration missions. so i give you this:
nextbigfuture.com...
and i put it here because we were arguing about antimatter here earlier. this is enough for an AIMSTAR or ICAN series spaceship engine.