Helping The Lazy?

"Helping the Lazy" You might as well have titled it, "Encouraging weakness".

a reply to: smithjustinb
Who would work? Anyone who wants anything above the basic things needed to stay alive. You would still need to work to be able to afford a car nicer clothes, entertainment, the list goes on. People don't just want to survive, they want to live, so they spend money on things that would make life easier and fun thing things. Want a nicer home, have a hobby? you work to to invest money into your hobby. Like to play music? You work to be able to afford the instrument.


Also, you don't know what has happened in LucidWarrior 's life to cause them to feel that way. You don't know if they survived extreme child abuse or not other abuses. They may have survived more than what it would take for the average person to break and feel that way. You just don't know. So call someone weak minded with out knowing the cause and how long it took them to feel that way.

Your comment to them is not helpful. Trying to understand why they would feel that way is a better approach, with out knowing the cause, you can't help.

originally posted by: smithjustinb
"Helping the Lazy" You might as well have titled it, "Encouraging weakness".

My point was that maybe some people just need some help to become productive again. I didn't mean we should encourage laziness and handouts. The help I had in mind was emotional/mental support to help motivate individuals who are lazy.

originally posted by: calstorm
a reply to: smithjustinb
Who would work? Anyone who wants anything above the basic things needed to stay alive.

Here is the gaping hole in your logic:

All the farmers and food gatherers in the world suddenly don't want anything more than their basic needs (food). So, since the government provides food and basic needs, all the farmers in the world suddenly stop farming. Now what? I'll tell you. Everyone dies.

a reply to: smithjustinb People don't work like that. When the basic needs are met people need more to feel fulfilled in life. The farmers will work for pay because they want more to life than just sitting in an empty room with nothing to do but eat and drink. It is basic psychology.

originally posted by: calstorm
a reply to: smithjustinb People don't work like that. When the basic needs are met people need more to feel fulfilled in life. The farmers will work for pay because they want more to life than just sitting in an empty room with nothing to do but eat and drink. It is basic psychology.

There are a lot of people who don't want anything more material items than their basic needs. So obviously, people do work like that.

Anyway, say only 50% of the people want more than their basic needs. Production gets cut in half. How do you expect to sustain your welfare state when less people are working for more people on welfare? Its just impractical.

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: Ralphy
I don't feel worthy of success, so I never try.

Poor pitiful you.

You need to find a way out of that mindset. Whatever it takes. But I shouldn't have to fund or support your weak mindedness. And that's what it is- weak mindedness. Its going to take a strong mind to get yourself out of you current mindset. So, the fact that you're not out of it means you don't have a strong mind.

You're absolutely right: I do need to find a way out. Working on it currently, actually. And no, I actually have a strong mind. But in order to change something, the will must first be there. Mine is all but nonexistent- in that respect. To change, I need t be able to respect myself enough to snap out if that mindset, and that's all it'll take. That's what I'm working on. Tell me this: have you ever been so depressed that you seriously didn't see a point to going on? I have. And yet, here I am. Perhaps it was my will to live, showing itself. What I'm trying to say is: its easy to criticize others, until you find yourself in their shoes. Which, I would suffer on noone. Better me than someone else, who might have taken that way out.

a reply to: smithjustinb

Oh please, DO carry on clinging to nonsensical and primitive values as if they were carved into rock.
Please DO carry on defending them in public in such an insensitive and insulting manner.
But most importantly, please Do carry on flaunting your political ID while doing so.
It's probably the most socially productive thing you will ever do.

a reply to: Ralphy

I dispise the term "lazy".
It smacks of high and mighty judgmentalism to me.
Until someone has walked a mile in someone else's shoes tey have no right to make such judgments.

originally posted by: Ismail
a reply to: smithjustinb

Oh please, DO carry on clinging to nonsensical and primitive values as if they were carved into rock.
Please DO carry on defending them in public in such an insensitive and insulting manner.
But most importantly, please Do carry on flaunting your political ID while doing so.
It's probably the most socially productive thing you will ever do.

Was there a point to this post, or no?

Its easier to label people down and out as lazy than it is to get off your arse and help them out. The irony, and hypocrisy of this is sad, but typical of modern attitudes. Attitudes which are programmed into the masses by TPTB who are trying to limit, even get rid of welfare and support for those who need it.

a reply to: LucidWarrior
I just want to say that my heart goes out to you. Truth be told it don't think smithjustinb's life reflects what he says. People who have it hard and haven't had a hand up in life, tend to be more empathic to other peoples suffering. The lack of empathy tells me that he thinks might not be lazy, but he has had more handed to him and had it easier in life than he realizes.

originally posted by: Ralphy
Maybe a lazy person just needs someone to help give them some perspective and encouragement.

I agree.
Perspective: A responsible man does what it takes to pay for himself and his own.
Encouragement: Cut off the teat and make it known that the free ride on the back of the working tax payers is OVER. Either work and earn your food, shelter, and frivolities or be lazy and go hungry, cold, and bored.

Bottom line.

originally posted by: calstorm
a reply to: LucidWarrior he has had more handed to him and had it easier in life than he realizes.

I'm not going to say my life isn't good. But, I've made something of myself. I work 50 sometimes 70 hours a week at a job that I got a post high school education for. I don't feel sorry for anyone who complains about having a crappy life unless they have an actual disability. Laziness is not a disability, and neither is depression (despite what liberal doctors might tell you).

a reply to: Ralphy


Laziness much like depression is such a BS excuse for failure and not doing anything remotely constructive!!

Why have a life if just to be lazy? Why have a life and complain about depression. I think they are both linked somewhere down the line.

I can't stand lazy people, and I have no sympathy for depressed people...most depressed people have sod all to be depressed about. They don't even know why they are depressed....losers. Take a trip to the slums of India or Ethiopia where kids life expectancy is less than 9 years old....they have NOTHING except flies on their faces and no clothes or schooling or FOOD. That would cause mild depression in the best of people and understandably so.

The rest of us in the west with all our opportunities and luxuries from clean toilets to LED TV's, shopping to hanging out with a friend having a beer....NO god damn excuse to be depressed.

You are depressed because you are a failure and you caused that failure. Laziness is somewhere in their too. Can't be bothered to pick yourself up after falling down..lazy.

Some of you will say depression is a mental illness.....yes it is..its called WEAKNESS of the mind....and you again are a failure!!

I am someone who would be described by a lot of people as "lazy". But the problem is best summed up by a quote from the movie Office Space..."It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care!"

Stick me in a a minimum wage job, doing something I couldn't care less about and you will get just enough work out of me, for me not to get fired. On the other hand, should I decide that I want to know everything there is to know about quantum physics, or Japanese Samurai, I will happily sit up all night researching it and then spend all of the next day (or month, or longer) travelling and engaging in gargantuan levels of work until I am satisfied.

Taking it from another angle, I am quite intelligent and capable, but also feel I have nothing to prove, as I am aware of my capabilities. Thus, people say I'm wasting my talents.
Whereas, I have known people who were not very good at anything (and knew it), but felt they had to prove they were good at something in life, so went all out to show everyone that they were, for example, the best painter in all Christendom. They still weren't, but they were the hardest working people I have ever met.
By the way, I'm not implying that all hard workers are, by default, generally talentless.

I do hope this helps towards your understanding of this "affliction".

Basically, it all comes down to motivation.

originally posted by: Firefly_
Its easier to label people down and out as lazy than it is to get off your arse and help them out. The irony, and hypocrisy of this is sad, but typical of modern attitudes.

So ridiculous. Help yourself! I'm not lazy because I won't work for those who are. I won't work for those who are lazy because I'm working for myself and my family. Help yourself!

a reply to: projectbane

Well said.

a reply to: projectbane

Dude, mind putting yourself in my shoes, for a second? I wake up in the morning, and I have to drag myself out of bed. Otherwise I'd stay there all day. Not because I'm lazy- but because no matter what I'm doing, or who I'm with, with the exception of a few people, there's a huge sadness permeating my entire being. In sleep, there's relief. As far as not knowing what its about, can't you see that that makes it even worse? I know the effects of my depression, but not the roots-if I did, I would be that much closer to being rid of it. You are right, however, about there being no good reason for it, but isn't that all the worse?depression caused by events usually close, heal after the events are done and solved- not mine. You don't know what its like, having to put on a smile for the world, when inside, you're broken. For the record, I agree with you when you call me a failure- but that doesn't mean you're right. I've still got the rest of my life to get it sorted out, but can you say the same? Will you also work on your faults, such as being quick to judge, label, and being closed minded?

a reply to: calstorm

Thanks, I appreciate it.