How Much does Hobby Lobby pay their employees?

a reply to: xuenchen

what about not being able to stone people to death for dishonoring their parents?
what about not being able to partake in animal sacrifice?
what about being forced to cover anything at all? (some religions dont believe in any kind of modern medicine)



arent these infringements on religion?
but no what you do consider an infringement is being required to provide a certain form of pill (something not contained in your bible at all that seems to be a complete ass pull)

and as always the focus is on the fact that this is used for birth control (but the fact is many women dont even use it for that purpose and instead use it to regulate their hormone levels or minimize and plan their periods as well as a number of other health related reasons)

I betcha they have to "pitch in" out of their meager salaries to cover their healthcare costs too. Just about everyone who works for a corporation these days has to.

That was step 13 of the "how to fleece employees within the law and get away with it" handbook, just after "how to steal pensions" and just before "how to age-discriminate."

Mandatory reading for all HR personnel. And you probably think I'm kidding.

ETA: i'm going to post this here too.

In any case, I wonder if they divested their pension fund of the stocks of the companies that make these products they refuse to pay for and then gave all the profits made on said stocks to homeless children yet. That would, of course, be the Christian thing to do to atone for that bit of hypocrisy.

Hobby Lobby Invested In Numerous Abortion And Contraception Products While Claiming Religious Objection/

And still more hypocrisy.

Christians Call Out Hobby Lobby For Hypocrisy

Christian, my ass. Only when it's convenient to make more money. The idiots didn't even know their old plan paid for all this stuff until the lawyer thieves came a-knocking.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Well, you may ask a devout Catholic that question. If they are patient, they may even tell you all about it.

I'm not sure what the owner of Hobby Lobby had for precise personal motivations on this point of his faith.

The Court said no one really has the right to ask him that, as a condition of whether he's forced to act in violation of it as he sees it.

That's enough for me and what I unconditionally support about the ruling. A man should have the right to run his personal business however he sees fit. Whether it's 5 employees or 50,000. Scale shouldn't change right and wrong, how we each may view that.

a reply to: sirhumperdink

Aside from some of what you talk about is illegal under other laws, the court cited;

(c)
The Court assumes that the interest in guaranteeing cost-free access to the four challenged contraceptive methods is a compelling governmental interest, but the Government has failed to show that the contraceptive mandate is the least restrictive means of furthering that interest. Pp. 38–49.

You can read the court papers;

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 (RFRA) prohibits the “Government [from] substantially burden[ing] a person’s exercise ofreligion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability” unless the Government “demonstrates that application of theburden to the person—(1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (2) is the least restrictive means of furtheringthat compelling governmental interest.” 42 U. S. C. §§2000bb–1(a), (b). As amended by the Religious Land Use and InstitutionalizedPersons Act of 2000 (RLUIPA), RFRA covers “any exercise of religion, whether or not compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief.” §2000cc–5(7)(A).At issue here are regulations promulgated by the Department ofHealth and Human Services (HHS) under the Patient Protection andAffordable Care Act of 2010 (ACA), ...........

BURWELL, SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES, ET AL. v. HOBBY LOBBY STORES, INC., ET AL.

Obviously there's going to be plenty of challenges and more cases about the whole thing.

But the first punch was thrown by the law itself.

A result of many conflicting laws trying to combine.

a reply to: xuenchen

jumped screens

a reply to: xuenchen

I find it amazing that before Obamacare, Hobby Lobby and others were free to decide for themselves what coverage to offer to not offer. Then Obamacare came along and DICTATED to them that they WOULD cover certain things, and they sued - and won. But now they are the corporate antichrist to all liberals. So tell me, liberals, where were you BEFORE Obamacare was implemented? Why wasn't Hobby Lobby "denying health rights to women" and all the other propaganda BS that you're spewing THEN? They are simply back to where they were before the government started meddling in their business.

a reply to: xuenchen

speaking of which, there's one opening down the street from my house soon, and i'm still unemployed...i'ma throw 'em an application..

originally posted by: SpaDe_

originally posted by: RancorXXX
Xuechen, the problem with making posts like this is that they can so easily be fact checked. The ONLY web sites reporting that Hobby Lobby pays its employees "$14 an hour" are Christian evangelical web sites trying to make Hobby Lobby look like some sort of heroes.

You obviously didn't look very hard, or you were being dishonest about who was reporting about the Hobby Lobby pay increase that has happened more than once now.

Here is a Yahoo sourced from AP: Source
Here is Mlive's story from the first increase: Source
Here is a link from Business Journal: Source
Here is a link from Wall Street Journal: Source

I could go on and on, so yes Hobby Lobby did in fact raise their minimum pay. You should brush up on your fact checking.

You may want to brush up on your research. Hobby Lobby increased FULL-TIME wages to $14 an hour. They also boasted that their 17+ THOUSAND part time employees also received a SMALL raise. They employ 23,000 people total. They keep more PART-TIME work due to LABOR costs. Yes they are saints...If (coughing on the slight vomit in my mouth) hobby lobby REALLY cared about their religion, they would make ALL employees interested in being FULL-TIME workers eligible for that $14 an hour rate, they would. That wont happen until Jesus walks the earth again I bet though. Oh and if they really cared about abortion pills, they would have their portfolio managers IMMEDIATELY drop ALL shares in abortion pill manufacturers...another situation where I'll be waiting to see Jesus


Go Hobby Lobby...

originally posted by: KnowledgeSeeker81

originally posted by: SpaDe_

originally posted by: RancorXXX
Xuechen, the problem with making posts like this is that they can so easily be fact checked. The ONLY web sites reporting that Hobby Lobby pays its employees "$14 an hour" are Christian evangelical web sites trying to make Hobby Lobby look like some sort of heroes.

You obviously didn't look very hard, or you were being dishonest about who was reporting about the Hobby Lobby pay increase that has happened more than once now.

Here is a Yahoo sourced from AP: Source
Here is Mlive's story from the first increase: Source
Here is a link from Business Journal: Source
Here is a link from Wall Street Journal: Source

I could go on and on, so yes Hobby Lobby did in fact raise their minimum pay. You should brush up on your fact checking.

You may want to brush up on your research. Hobby Lobby increased FULL-TIME wages to $14 an hour. They also boasted that their 17+ THOUSAND part time employees also received a SMALL raise. They employ 23,000 people total. They keep more PART-TIME work due to LABOR costs. Yes they are saints...If (coughing on the slight vomit in my mouth) hobby lobby REALLY cared about their religion, they would make ALL employees interested in being FULL-TIME workers eligible for that $14 an hour rate, they would. That wont happen until Jesus walks the earth again I bet though. Oh and if they really cared about abortion pills, they would have their portfolio managers IMMEDIATELY drop ALL shares in abortion pill manufacturers...another situation where I'll be waiting to see Jesus


Go Hobby Lobby...

There always has to be an enemy for some people...doesn't there? Let me ask you this...if you paid the kid next door to mow your lawn, and it would take him/her two hours...how much would you pay them per hour? $5...$10...$15??? You might be generous and do the $10...my guess. OK then...how about health care? Who is paying the taxes? You...him/her...no one? Do they get a few sick days when they can't work, but you still pay them? How about a holiday off and you pay them? Maybe even some personal time off? Birth control...are you buying them birth control? Are you contributing to their 401K...their retirement...do you carry insurance in case they get injured? Do you offer paid training to help them become a better lawn cutter...an enclosed smoking area to keep them out of the elements...how about a break room with a microwave?

NO...you don't. You pay them $5 to $10 per hour under the table understanding that they are YOUR slave labor. They happily accept that money for the time they work. Now what if they demanded, and you were forced to provide everything above? Would you stop hiring them? Would you fire your employee because the cost to pay them "FAIRLY" is just too high?

Understand this...you are no different than Hobby Lobby other than your size. Hell...I didn't even mention all the paperwork you should have to do.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: KnowledgeSeeker81

originally posted by: SpaDe_

originally posted by: RancorXXX
Xuechen, the problem with making posts like this is that they can so easily be fact checked. The ONLY web sites reporting that Hobby Lobby pays its employees "$14 an hour" are Christian evangelical web sites trying to make Hobby Lobby look like some sort of heroes.

You obviously didn't look very hard, or you were being dishonest about who was reporting about the Hobby Lobby pay increase that has happened more than once now.

Here is a Yahoo sourced from AP: Source
Here is Mlive's story from the first increase: Source
Here is a link from Business Journal: Source
Here is a link from Wall Street Journal: Source

I could go on and on, so yes Hobby Lobby did in fact raise their minimum pay. You should brush up on your fact checking.

You may want to brush up on your research. Hobby Lobby increased FULL-TIME wages to $14 an hour. They also boasted that their 17+ THOUSAND part time employees also received a SMALL raise. They employ 23,000 people total. They keep more PART-TIME work due to LABOR costs. Yes they are saints...If (coughing on the slight vomit in my mouth) hobby lobby REALLY cared about their religion, they would make ALL employees interested in being FULL-TIME workers eligible for that $14 an hour rate, they would. That wont happen until Jesus walks the earth again I bet though. Oh and if they really cared about abortion pills, they would have their portfolio managers IMMEDIATELY drop ALL shares in abortion pill manufacturers...another situation where I'll be waiting to see Jesus


Go Hobby Lobby...

There always has to be an enemy for some people...doesn't there? Let me ask you this...if you paid the kid next door to mow your lawn, and it would take him/her two hours...how much would you pay them per hour? $5...$10...$15???

in that case i would ask how long they would take to do the job, and base what I paid on them on the estimated timeframe...ie a 2 hour job takes you 4 hours, im going to pay you 1/2 as much, OR a 2 hour job takes you 1 hour, I'm going to pay you TWICE as much

You might be generous and do the $10...my guess. OK then...how about health care? Who is paying the taxes?

The customers do. Do you not get that? With out customers the business owner doesn't have money to pay that. they don't pay that out of pocket, they pay it out of the business pocket...you CLEARLY have NO idea how business works.

You...him/her...no one? Do they get a few sick days when they can't work, but you still pay them? How about a holiday off and you pay them? Maybe even some personal time off? Birth control...are you buying them birth control? Are you contributing to their 401K...their retirement...do you carry insurance in case they get injured? Do you offer paid training to help them become a better lawn cutter...an enclosed smoking area to keep them out of the elements...how about a break room with a microwave?

If they helped me establish wealth, ABSOLUTELY. You reward the people that take you to the top and re-institute the middle class. If I can do it on my own without help, then no, I only benefit me. If I need HELP(labor) to achieve my goal, I NEED to realize my wealth will NOT come without help, therefore I NEED to compensate for it.

NO...you don't. You pay them $5 to $10 per hour under the table understanding that they are YOUR slave labor. They happily accept that money for the time they work. Now what if they demanded, and you were forced to provide everything above? Would you stop hiring them? Would you fire your employee because the cost to pay them "FAIRLY" is just too high?

Understand this...you are no different than Hobby Lobby other than your size. Hell...I didn't even mention all the paperwork you should have to do.
LOL really just LOL. You think hobby lobby does their own paperwork, snip no, they have an accountant (multiple) which they also underpay

a reply to: Metallicus

While I do have health insurance* when I go to the Dr. I pay the bill right there and so far every visit has been a fraction of the monthly insurance premium.
When I need BC I pay the pharmacist and truth be told it is only 14$ for 30 days worth.
Hobby Lobby is paying their employees enough that they can buy their own BC. Good for HL.


*Thank you Obamacare I have to pay 20% of my take home income for the right not to be called a criminal.

Hobby Lobby - has no problem paying for it's male employee's boner pills (Viagra), but has a religious problem paying for women's contraceptives.

Women have medical needs for contraceptives that have nothing to do with sex. They are used to medically treat conditions such as:

Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
Endometriosis
Endometrial and ovarian cancer
Migraines & PMS relief

But the American Taliban believes it's sinful for women to take contraceptives, no matter what the medical community has to say about it.

Now, thanks to the five Republican appointees on the SCOTUS they made it possible for all employer insurance to deny women medically-needed contraceptives.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Are female employees of Hobby Lobby unable to get contraceptives now?

Are the few contraceptives this was about among the drugs with dual or multi-label use in your example? Which ones? (I'm genuinely curious, not just being annoying.)

As someone who watches the Court pretty closely for personal interest, if not story leads as well, I see Appointees go against the 'side' of who put them there as often as they go with them. They are lifetime appointments and it's the norm to see them go their own way as a member of the Court, and the distinct identity that becomes as opposed to a Party member or anything so far removed from their new level of power and influence.

In fact, the Court was created the way it was for exactly that outcome and reason.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

If you were taking such drugs to treat ovarian cancer, then wouldn't you consider that part of your insurance program? Why would they cover something like Viagra, but not women's Depo-Provera, Ortho Evra, etc. Remember, women's contraceptives are not just for sex, as they are also used for hormonal regulation and are prescribed by doctor's.

It harkens back to the patriarchy of yesteryear that see this as strictly a sex thing.

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
Hobby Lobby - has no problem paying for it's male employee's boner pills (Viagra), but has a religious problem paying for women's contraceptives.

Women have medical needs for contraceptives that have nothing to do with sex. They are used to medically treat conditions such as:

Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
Endometriosis
Endometrial and ovarian cancer
Migraines & PMS relief

But the American Taliban believes it's sinful for women to take contraceptives, no matter what the medical community has to say about it.

Now, thanks to the five Republican appointees on the SCOTUS they made it possible for all employer insurance to deny women medically-needed contraceptives.

And none of the emergency birth control methods Hobby Lobby objected to treat any of those things. The ones they objected to were specifically Plan B one step (the morning after pill) Elle (the week after pill) and copper T IUD devices . None of those items objected to have any ability to treat any illness what so ever. The IUDs are dangerous considering copper is a toxic heavy metal and that is specifically how it works, by poisoning the sperm. They can and have cause copper poisoning . There is only 1 on the market in the US. So how is the health of any woman effected by them not providing potentialy dangerous implants or pills that are considered to be abortificants?

originally posted by: RancorXXX
Xuechen, the problem with making posts like this is that they can so easily be fact checked. The ONLY web sites reporting that Hobby Lobby pays its employees "$14 an hour" are Christian evangelical web sites trying to make Hobby Lobby look like some sort of heroes. This is partisan PR and full of falsehoods on Hobby Lobby and their apologists part. Sorry to be so harsh, but this "$14 an hour" meme is being plugged all across the web by them or one of those dark money political organizations.

Here are the REAL facts on what they pay their employees:

Cashier - Hourly - $9.40/hr (they start at $8)
Stockman - Hourly - $8.68/hr (they start them out at $6 - not even minimum wage!)
Department Head - Hourly - $12.11/hr
Customer Service Manager - Hourly - $11.05/hr

There's a full list here:

1) Hobby Lobby Salaries
2) Hobby Lobby Salaries

PS to add - this is also only for full time employees. Part timers are still the old pay, and they can keep most employees under 35 hours a week to prevent them from ever getting benefits or better pay, like McDonalds.

more on their salaries:

I'm even more confident that those figures aren't true...seeing as how a major company isn't going to openly pay non-tipped employees LESS THAN minimum wage...since it's illegal and all...

a reply to: SM2

None of those items objected to have any ability to treat any illness what so ever. The IUDs are dangerous considering copper is a toxic heavy metal and that is specifically how it works, by poisoning the sperm. They can and have cause copper poisoning . There is only 1 on the market in the US. So how is the health of any woman effected by them not providing potentialy dangerous implants or pills that are considered to be abortificants?

I'd like to know where you got your medical degree so that I can write to them and complain about your education.

IUD's fit an important niche in the birth control scheme that is necessary for some women who can't take other types of birth control and for whom it would be dire if they were get pregnant. Cancer patients for example.

You worried about poisoning sperm? What the heck do you think that over the counter "spermicide" is?

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Well, fair enough if these four specific drugs being objected to in this case and decided in this situation are multi-use. That's what I was asking. Are the ones at issue here, those multi-label types?

If so, are they then blocked from use in the totally unrelated areas of coverage within the same health plan?

Those aren't issues I saw addressed as such. In fact, it seems a segment of the court insisted it be very narrow to get the 5/4 majority it did.

a reply to: windword

I was specifically speaking on the specific items they objected to, one of which was a specific IUD, a copper T IUD. So, tell me what, disease does a copper t iud treat?

I got the information from this website

www.rxlist.com... it is heavy reading, that takes a little bit of time to absorb all of the detail, but there ya go.

heres the IUD info, remember, I am only speaking to the Copper T type, NOT the hormonal types
www.webmd.com...

So, instead of being snarky, try getting at least some of the facts. There seems to be a pattern developing here with you and the lack of facts