Weird California sighting

a reply to: StargateSG7

And for you who would like to see some older but still goodie tech:

Compression Lift:
en.wikipedia.org...

which CAN be achieved by a number of methods from
the ground OR from the interior/exterior of the aircraft
to allow an aircraft to SURF on an oscillating compression wave
or on a directionally angled standing-wave which acts like
a roller coaster track where the aircraft is allowed to
"coast up and down" like a roller coaster car!

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OH! and just for interest sake here is something else:

THE POTENTIAL FOR AMBIENT PLASMA WAVE PROPULSION
James H. Gilland, George J. Williams
Ohio Aerospace Institute

www.nasa.gov...

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And for those of who wonder HOW one can make compressor stages
and jet engines REALLY QUIET should look at these patents:

www.google.ch...

and

www.google.vu...

to make REALLY QUIET aircraft!

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For those of you who like more esoteric propulsion methods
try these:

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: StargateSG7

Considering that just a few months ago in another thread you were apparently serious about the "Hutchison effect" being a real thing, I'm pretty willing to bet you're not shining much of a light on anything, if this is representative of your quality of thought.

originally posted by: StargateSG7
or should I hesitantly outline using extremely heavy elements
that are spun about at high pressure and temperature within
a globular or toroidal structure thus creating near-superluminal
vortices at Planck's level scales that PREVENT ANY of the
Earth's waves (RF, MM, Light, Gravity) from penetrating
objects enclosed within said craft at the angle-of-influence
being shielded?

Yes, I also remember this from the previously-mentioned thread. Please, I would love to hear your thoughts on "Planck's level scales" and plasma coupling to gravity propagation.

originally posted by: wirehead
a reply to: StargateSG7

Considering that just a few months ago in another thread you were apparently serious about the "Hutchison effect" being a real thing, I'm pretty willing to bet you're not shining much of a light on anything, if this is representative of your quality of thought.

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The "Hutchison Effect" seems to be more of a phenomenom
related to cascade failure of Coulomb forces and van der Waals forces
caused by pulsing electromagnetic fields. Hutchison used high voltage
analog radar and transformer gear in an unscientific and uncontrolled
manner that cause failure of these forces allowing crystalline materials
that have a high static friction component (at micron-scales) to literally
slide apart on a temporary basis.

This accounts for videos showing materials such as wood "Cold Melting"
into a solid metal. The "shards" of metal (which is a crystalline material!)
simply no longer have enough friction to hold together and slide apart
allowing another material to be enveloped without apparent damage.
Sort of like sinking into quicksand and its microscopically the same
process but CAUSED by EM fields "lubricating" or preventing
"static adhesion" of crystalline particles rather than the fluid
lubrication of particulate matter that is the basis for quicksand.

The levitation effects are UNLIKELY to be TRUE antigravity but
rather the results of electrical Eddy Currents that "support" an
object in mid-air. You see it in aluminum manufacturing a lot
where the high currents used during the smelting process
can cause a normally NON-MAGNETIC metal (i.e. aluminum)
to be levitated in mid-air. (Saw that at Alcan!)

originally posted by: wirehead

originally posted by: StargateSG7
or should I hesitantly outline using extremely heavy elements
that are spun about at high pressure and temperature within
a globular or toroidal structure thus creating near-superluminal
vortices at Planck's level scales that PREVENT ANY of the
Earth's waves (RF, MM, Light, Gravity) from penetrating
objects enclosed within said craft at the angle-of-influence
being shielded?

Yes, I also remember this from the previously-mentioned thread. Please, I would love to hear your thoughts on "Planck's level scales" and plasma coupling to gravity propagation.

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Evidently the four forces of nature:

Strong Nuclear Force
Weak Nuclear Force
Electromagnetic Force
Gravitation Force

may POSSIBLY be blocked by the shielding effect
that is created when a heavy element containing
a great mass (a large number of protons and neutrons)
is allowed to move about at high speed (aka high temperature)
in a confined space (caused by intense pressure).

These heavy nucleii may oscillate and move about at enough
of a rate that other forces MAY not be able to propogate through
such great mass. At normal nuclear scales, many phycists would
say this is bunk because there is ALWAYS ENOUGH SPACE
in-between individual atoms for fundamental forces to
leak through and affect any enclosed system.

HOWEVER at Planck's scales where Quantum Chromodynamics
come into play, there might be enough excesses or absences
of quantum charge and spin (i.e. energy) to cause forces such
as gravity (which is basically a pretty weak force)
to be "Blocked" from propogating through such
spinning or highly charged heavy masses.

The techniques to allow this to happen SEEM
to be excess PRESSURE to allow a large amount of
mass to be present within a reduced volume,
then an advanced energetic state (i.e. heat and
volume acceleration) and somehow a "compression"
of electron orbits so that heavy nucleii can be
squeezed closer together.

Using an analogy, if you spin a two-bladed propellor
fast enough, it can effectively become a solid disc
preventing "forces" like water from passing through
the spinning prop!

Same thing happens at the Quark-level where a heavy moving
mass and/or excess or reduced quantum charge can prevent
a fairly weak force (such as Gravity) from passing through!

That's a guess from some physicists known in certain circles
and such research DOES SEEM to have been part of certain
aerospace companies propulsion systems development programs
namely Northrup, General Atomics and North American (or their
successor corporations) in the 1960's, 1970's and 1980's!

Classic case of HPD.
en.wikipedia.org...

Cracks AES- doesnt know how to prove it lol.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: B2StealthBomber

Yeah, makes you wonder doesn't it. If the only thing that used JP-7 retired in the early 1990s, why do they need 100,000+ gallons between two locations, starting around 2010.

Things that make you go hmmm.

Thing is 100,000 gallons is nothing. That is less then 15k lb of fuel (I think, I cant remember the weight per gallon of JP-7).

A)Either the government is actually getting much more then that and we don't know about it
B)they only needed a little for testing.

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: B2StealthBomber

Yeah, makes you wonder doesn't it. If the only thing that used JP-7 retired in the early 1990s, why do they need 100,000+ gallons between two locations, starting around 2010.

Things that make you go hmmm.

Thing is 100,000 gallons is nothing. That is less then 15k lb of fuel (I think, I cant remember the weight per gallon of JP-7).

A)Either the government is actually getting much more then that and we don't know about it
B)they only needed a little for testing.

The LAST PUBLIC ORDER for JP-7 was June 2008 for 110,000 Gallons:

Public Tender Order:
www.fbodaily.com...

to be sent to Edwards Airforce base (100,000 gallons for actual operations)
and 10,000 gallons to Wright Patterson AFB (in Ohio probably for
cold-weather engine testing)

...BUT...

somebody did order low-temperature anti-gelling
and/or stabilizing additives for low volatility fuels
in 2014 enough to cover nearly 2.4 million gallons!

So SOMEBODY is making or buying something
FOR OR SIMILAR to JP-7 !!!!

And after 2014 a few MORE orders every three to four months for
fuel stabilizers and/or anti-gelling compounds (for low volatility
turbine fuel -- aka JP7 and like fuels!) Seems to be enough to
cover between 1.5 million to as much as 2.5 million gallons!)

Hmmmmmm......what and where are they burning
that needs that much stabilization/anti-gelling?

saw ma strange contrail over Southwest Michigan Saturday around sundown. Didin't see it being made but it was a perfectly straight line from horizon to horizon on a northwest southeast path. It lasted for a long time even after all the others dissipated. I don't believe in chem trails so don't go there. Just strange because I'm north and west of Chicago so we get a lot of air traffic and contrails.

Anyway HAPPY MONDAY!!!
Tacos 3 for $2 tonight!!!

still throwing stuff at the walls hoping some will stick in the hopes of fooling members into the veracity of your knowledge?

All the crap you just posted anybody can google in 5 minutes and assemble for post. None of which have anything to do with the greenlady.

Well at least you got one thing right and labled yourself something like sham personality disorder.

a reply to: BASSPLYR
Agree with you Bassplyr, what is passionate for us its the speculation about the Green Lady and the little real informations, not a lot of disorder of information putting by lots on the forum .

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One of the things interesting about the original sighting posted here in the OP was that the individual saw the lady being escorted before she did her thing and hit the throttle.

Id like some clarification. Was it just the lights of the escort planes and the green lady only visible and waaaaay up there in altitude. Other than the lights just barely visible.

Or was the lady relatively low and hence th escort. And the guy got a hell of a sight.

And why escorts. When i saw her she was alone and much too high to be escorted. And going waaay too fast.

What do you guys think was up with the escorts.

Just chase planes doing a once over before she did her thing.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

We may not be able to reply, but may we at least as members of this forum star the hell out of your much needed post?

The other thing that interests me about the purported craft is that the green light mentioned in the original post and sighting was just a green strobe light, speculated to be active countermeasures against night vision. There was no mention of a high, silent, fast-moving steady green light until maybe (?) Astr0's post in July 2014.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

She was heading out west, so they may have been staying with her until she cleared airspace, or may have been testing something and needed chase aircraft for it. They were climbing out still so were relatively low.

I've been trying to get my head around plasma dynamics and aerodynamic flow control, (which is frying my brain). I've been reading stuff from the Royal Society, Mathematical Physical and engineering sciences.
Example page here Page from the Royal society

I get how this can used for reducing drag, plasma stealth and also for virtual surface controls, but I'm trying to figure out how this can used with engines other than charging the air for better flow control. Is the green exhaust something other than the fuel discussed. Anyone out there have any ideas or am I barking up the wrong tree!! I blame Zaph and Bass for my interest, this pair make Aircraft Projects the best section on ATS without a doubt

Agree I will say the better thread on the web about the secret Aircraft.

a reply to: Kurokage

How about a visual demonstration?



I'm not sure how this stuff is supposed to work with engines, but this page has the most in-depth look at a potential electrodynamic engine that I've found so far:

machinedesign.com...