Feds Threatening ‘Third Wounded Knee’ with Eminent Domain Land Grab on Sioux Indian Reservation

a reply to: Cuervo

I remember the days before the Tribes had money from casinos. No one wanted to live on the reservations then.

a reply to: Cuervo

I think if a confederation of all the tribes simultaneously declared complete independence and autonomy and the government responded with violence, I'm pretty confident that the average American would see that as a worthy revolution cause.

Good thoughts but you have a higher trust level than I do.

General US population I doubt would lift a finger. We are being enslaved and all they care about is the voice , american idol what justin beiber is doing.

But I really wish it would be that way but they let Natives get screwed time and time again.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Cuervo

I remember the days before the Tribes had money from casinos. No one wanted to live on the reservations then.

No one wants to live on reservations now, regardless of casinos. Do you think having casinos is a fair consolation prize for being subjugated to live in what amounts to human versions of animal reserve parks?

a reply to: butcherguy
I am Native America, my Mother and Sister live on Reservation land in Oklahoma. The Federal Government has done more harm, in my opinion to the Native Americans than they have to the African Americans or any other minority. It can not continue. We have so little left to remind future generations of what once was. I am prepared to go to War on this issue.

"Eminent domain"

Very dangerous, potentially very intrusive, rights-eliminating phrase.

Where does it end...?

My friend would use the word NEPOTISM and tell them put that in writing to each and every one of that band office, who thinks they have the right to sell out their own people, flesh and blood to the corruption.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
It looks like what's going on is division within the Oglala Sioux tribe, not a problem with the Federal government. The tribal leaders want the park. Some of the tribe members who will get kicked out to make room for the park are mad at the tribal leaders.

Sandra Buffington has spent her life working to carve a home and ranching business out of the sparse grasslands around the South Unit of Badlands National Park.

But she and other Lakota ranchers face the possibility of losing their grazing rights to make way for a huge bison reserve planned by the Oglala Sioux Tribe.

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edit on 25-6-2014 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

a reply to: butcherguy
You ever notice how this only happens on land which is occupied and has people already living in it? You can drive from Washington to California as I have done and many others and you would have whole square mileages some the size of some countries which has nobody living in, or on it. In the US we have much more uninhabited land, were there is nobody living there, then we have inhabited land with people living there, in fact much much more so much so that you can bring in and fit entire populations of some countries to live therein.

Agenda 21 is not about land so much so as it is about people and control as its always been. Ever see how a farmer brings in the heard of sheep and cattle? That's what this is about. Its called corralling the livestock. I would not blame them, there to stupid to even know what there doing, in fact they could not possibly even imagine what is really going on, or would have the capacity for understanding. Its why there chosen, and why there in the position's they are in, its how the system is set up. I do believe its termed human resource management now a days.

a reply to: six67seven

"Eminent domain"

Very dangerous, potentially very intrusive, rights-eliminating phrase.


Where does it end...?

1776 2.0


My family was there then will be there next time.

Is weird, I can't find any other news source for this. I've checked local papers for SD and nothing.

Anyone else see anything about this from some other news source?

It would be awful if true.

Clearly the feds have not learned at all from the Indian Wars in the 70's.When it comes to The Sioux the US government loves to screw them more than any other group.It all goes back to Little Big Horn they have been subject to cold vengeance since 1876.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: butcherguy

Every American must stand with the Native Americans.

Kind words but Its a bit late for that now after wiping them out...

:-/

a reply to: butcherguy

You think it all stems from Agenda 21...

Do you even know what Agenda 21 or what it is for..?

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: butcherguy

You think it all stems from Agenda 21...

Do you even know what Agenda 21 or what it is for..?

Only what I have read. Like most people, I do not have an office into the U.N. Building.
Are you prepared to enlighten me with inside knowledge?

and they are STILL taking the Indians land!
I hope they fight to...

how would that look in the news?
the bad white men are Still killing Indians.
to STEAL their land. again!!!

The militias will mobilize. The government will be forced to back down or declare war on its people

a reply to: Cuervo

I fear that the Native Americans are becoming more like the enemy that subjugated them in the first place. There are Native Americans living everywhere, not just the Reservations. My son in law is Umatilla. We will stand together as a family against an intrusive government.

Just a Reminder ...

24 years Ago .. a 78 Day Stand OFF Caused From a Town that was Taking Over Burial Ground and was going to make it into a Golf Course , as I said WAS , It Didnt Happen.. I was in the Service at the Time when this Happened Near my Home Town Across the Border.. not so far away from OUR reservation. Ironically My Parents didn't tell me what was going on.. figuring i would get Upset.. How I found Out was one of my Buddies in my Unit Platoon was Looking at ( Soldier of Fortune ) Magazine .. and it Had Two Mohawk Warriors aka ( Mohawk Reservation Militia )
Side By Side with a... Holding

Mohawk Warrior Flag in the Background


a AK' 47 and a AR 15 on them ... in full Gear.. I look Closer then Grabbed it from his Hands and he said WTF!! I told him this is Near My Home ... I read the article then Immediately called Home asked what going on and every one is OK as My Friends and Family would of got involved.. as The Mohawk Nation was involved in the Situation..of OKA & Akwesasne around the Same time My Reservation was having a Casino war Dispute.. When I Called it was Close to being Over in OKA. and Still Continued on Our Reservation( Casino War ) ... I Was told after I cam Home There were Tractor Trailers and Junk Cars being put across the Roads.. Blocking Barricading The Roads on Either end of the Reservations .. and All i thought was a Mad Maxx Road Warrior Scene.. LOL

I Remember when i came of from Leave then Permanently from the Marines They Still had Boarder patrol and State Police on each end of the reservation of Akwesasne .. for about 5 years

So here is a Mohawk Nation Against The Canadian Government and Won a Dispute had a Stand Off for 78 days
of Land that a Town was Trying to take over a Land that is a Cemetery ( Burial Ground ) So it Can Be a DAM Golf Course ! Wrong Answer .. and a Casino wars a Dispute from Traditional and and Modern Warriors putting in Casino 's and putting more Business on the Reservation.

All I have to Say if the American Government & New York State Tried to Pull a Stunt ! taking Land on Mohawk Territory.., as there have been Conflicts on both Sides of the Boarder for the Last 290 years...

It Would Be a All Out War.. The Land is Caught Between two Nations Boarders


A Personal Journey: The Akwesasne Casino War, the Oka Crisis and the Canada Border Services Agency by Beverly Pyke – Akwesasne – April 29, 2010
cornwallfreenews.com... kwesasne-april-29-2010/

The Oka Crisis was a land dispute between a group of Mohawk people and the town of Oka, Quebec, Canada which began on July 11, 1990 and lasted until September 26, 1990. One person died as a result. The dispute was the first well-publicized violent conflict between First Nations and the Canadian government in the late 20th century. The crisis developed from a local dispute between the town of Oka and the Mohawk community of Kanesatake. The town of Oka was developing plans to expand a golf course and residential development onto land which had traditionally been used by the Mohawk. It included pineland and a burial ground, marked by standing tombstones of their ancestors. The Mohawks had filed a land claim for the sacred grove and burial ground near Kanesatake, but their claim had been rejected in 1986.

The Oka Crisis lasted 78 days, and gunfire early in the crisis killed SQ Corporal Marcel Lemay. The golf course expansion which had originally triggered the crisis was cancelled by the mayor of Oka. The Oka Crisis galvanized, throughout Canada, a subsequent process of developing a First Nations Policing Policy to try to prevent future such events.

Oka Crisis
en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: HauntWok
Is weird, I can't find any other news source for this. I've checked local papers for SD and nothing.

Anyone else see anything about this from some other news source?

It would be awful if true.

You can't find any other news source stating this is a federal government land grab, because this ISN'T a federal government land grab. If you would like to read through the entire thread, you will see that the OP's article has been debunked. This is actually a fight going on within the Oglala Sioux tribe - between the tribal council that is writing the legislation for the bill to have the park and the tribal members who will have to be kicked off the land needed for the park. This is a tribal issue, not a federal government issue. It's been stated several times in the thread, but for some *strange* reason, everyone seems to be ignoring it. I'm sure it couldn't have anything to do with the fact some around here are just looking for an excuse (even a fake one) to get all riled up. (insert eye-roll emoticon)

a reply to: kaylaluv
Yes, the Tribal Council is involved.
It is being done in partnership with the federal government. In an earlier post, you stated that this has nothing to do with the Federal Government.
It appears that there is a land grab aspect to it, because the landowners are complaining that their deeded properties are being taken without compensation.

The U.S. government’s War Department took what is now the South Unit from the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation to establish a practice bombing range in the 1940s. It was returned to the Oglala Sioux tribe in 1976 and has since been co-managed with the Park Service. The tribe began pushing for greater control of the unit’s 133,300 acres about a decade ago, after they disagreed with the Park Service’s plans for the land. The plan released Thursday recommends Congress create a new designation for a tribal national park. Depending on Congressional action, it could be administered several different ways, including as a unit of NPS managed by tribal members who work as NPS employees or by tribal members who work for the tribe.

Bangor Daily News

The plan includes building a buffalo herd that Tribal members would manage. But not all members of the Oglala Sioux Tribal Government are convinced it's a good idea, including Vice President Tom Poor Bear. "Common sense would tell you buffalo cannot live in the Badlands," says Poor Bear, "Buffalo would not survive because of lack of grass. There's no water." There's fear on the Reservation about what will happen to people living in the Red Shirt Table area. A local reverend, Robert Two Bulls, has even filed an injunction to stop the park. "People don't want to sell. In the words of Crazy Horse, 'you do not sell the land your people are buried on.' My mother is buried at Red Shirt Table. I don't want a bunch of tourists trampling around my mother's grave," said Poor Bear. Poor Bear is also concerned about the people working the land, "Our Tribal ranchers are going to be affected by this park." Brewer says the only people who will be impacted are ranchers who lease Tribal lands to run cattle. And contrary to rumors, no one living in the Red Shirt Table community will be forced from their homes. "Only Tribal land will be used. No other land. But there are a lot of myths out there that we're going to take people's land away from them and use it for the park and that is not true," said Brewer. Brewer says alternate land will be provided for the ranchers, and on top of that, the Tribe will pay the first year's lease. But he does have sympathy for those who feel invested in the land, "It belongs to the Oglala Sioux Tribe, but they feel they are part of that land and after all these years, you can't blame them." The historic bad blood between the Oglala Sioux Tribe and federal government leads to concerns any time a partnership is proposed. And the idea of losing more land - even theoretically - is more than many Tribal members can bear.

ksfy.com

The public has until June 6 to weigh in on the Tribal National Park proposed for the South Unit of Badlands National Park in South Dakota. Affected ranchers are against it. Residents of the Pass Creek District are against it. Members of the Red Shirt Community are against it. The Great Sioux Nation Treaty Council, which is something like a group of advisors to the various tribal governments, is against it.

tsln.com news

PINE RIDGE | A crowd of about 70 gathered Monday at Billy Mills Hall in Pine Ridge for a public comment session on the proposed national park on the South Unit of Badlands National Park. The idea was simple: People would show up and write down their thoughts on the proposal for later review by the National Park Service. But after grabbing soup at a food line outside the back door of the hall, the crowd sat in the bleachers and soon one person arrived with a small public address system — and then the real public commenting began. "Once your signature's on that piece of paper, they've consulted you," said Tom Poor Bear, one of several speakers. "This is a national park, not a tribal park," said Bernie Shot With Arrow, a tribal council member who represents the Medicine Root District. "This is a land grab by the federal government," said Bud May, who owns land that falls within the proposed park's feasibility study. The speakers condemned the proposal, the National Park Service, or Oglala Sioux Tribe President Bryan Brewer. The public input session is one of several arranged by the National Park Service this week to gather opinions on the proposed park, which would force some tribal members off their lands to make way for the project. To be held at locations around the reservation, as well as in Rapid City, the sessions are supposed to allow tribal members to write down their thoughts on the proposal. The dissent comes a week after OST Chief Judge Mary Wynne set aside time for a trial in July to consider two petitions from tribal land owners seeking to stop the tribal council from canceling grazing leases and expanding the Badlands South Unit by condemnation. Those petitions name all 19 members of the tribal council as defendants.

Rapid City Journal
These sources are not fringe conspiracy news sites.

And by checking them out, you will see that the Federal government is involved, will continue to be involved, and people are losing their property.
It isn't all warm and fuzzy like you have been portraying it.

Actual Native Americans that are going to be affected, and they are quoted (in the last link) as calling this a "Federal Land Grab".

a reply to: Cuervo

That is a good point, I think the FG is a bit more tactful now however than they were back then. They find ways around violence to confiscate the properties of others, look at the Bundy situation they stood down rather than start a fight.