NOAA/NASA Caught With Their Pants Down On Global Warming Numbers...

a reply to: defcon5

Haha, the same climate denial experts, hired, and paid by the same people who parrot climate change, someone is eating up both ends of this, and likely the causes of any abnormal changes are being stifled.

Even the debates on WHAT is going on ANYWHERE, are being made totally unclear, on PURPOSE.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Iwinder

Kind of sounds like ......."lets stick together and all sing the same song"

I guess you haven't spent much time around scientists. They actually love to prove each other wrong, every chance they get. But in many cases pesky things like facts get in the way of doing so.

Otherwise they will be looking for work and it won't pay all that good.

I hear oil companies pay quite well.

I have spent plenty of time around scientists, and I derive much pleasure from making them see how silly the attempts to prove each other wrong really are.

Instead of actually finding the truth, they are stuck (MOSTLY UNKNOWINGLY!!) inside a logical quagmire that they actually believe is necessary.

The teaching they get at universities, must be UNLEARNED and it is vicious and hard on their very DNA, but I crush them anyways, until they can see clearly, AT LEAST be able to see that much of how they think is LEARNED and has nothing to do with the core beliefs of SCIENCE, as they believe it to be.

SCIENCE, man what a world this would be if it was not completely and entirely CONTROLLED within a paradigm that really is boring, and by now YOU should see is all about EGO, and certainly is beyond clouded.

How one can enjoy such a process that stifles learning at every turn?? Why go to school and they will educate you on HOW!!!

Total mind control that most everyone scoffs at, because they do not and CAN NOT see that they have been slowed down, stopped, CRUSHED, told what to do , how to do it, where to find evidence, HOW TO DO EVERYTHING, but find the actual truthful answers to the most meaningful questions!

All this planet is doing, is being led around in ever smaller circles of B.S. and just like every other religion, SCIENCE, has gatekeepers, ones that mostly DO NOT EVEN KNOW that they are, and that in the pursuits of advancement, they are actually being shoved down the narrowest most INSANELY slow road of development.

Just like religions, small victories are lauded as the biggest, all to keep them in the dark, while they falsely believe they are actually going to ever find out what is REALLY going on.

Yuck, getting tired of all the people of whom I have to UNBRAINWASH, time for some REAL SCIENCE. Free from the shackles that you laughably do not notice are ever present.

a reply to: defcon5

I love how these guys only talk about 'area' or 'width'. They seem to just ignore 'thickness.'

No one should ignores thickness, it is important!

The 'Volume' of ice has decreased by a great deal and it is cyclical. We simply do not have any data on long term trends for thickness. It is only since the advent of Atomic Submarines that we have any idea at all on the thickness of sea ice and those figures have been hidden and fudged for several decades.

If you want a true indication, look at the ice cover at the end of summer.

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Before anyone else jumps to the conclusion they want to jump to on the basis of nothing more than a dubious blog ....

reason.com...

a reply to: cuckooold

What do you call that, Science. Possibly is just now.

Yea, make a cartoon, denigrate the opposition. Is that the best they can do, cartoons? WTF

ROFL, perhaps that is the best they can do!

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a reply to: defcon5

Climate denial and Climate change denial! Your buzz words make me laugh, only constant in climate is change but that in itself does not mean CO2 has anything to do with climate change anymore than a butterfly flapping its wings in my back yard.

btw oil industry is one of those pushing climate change, they have made a squid loads of money from selling their gas to power stations that once coal. Laughing all the way to the bank as usual.

a reply to: pheonix358

As for those allegedly 'fudged' numbers:

reason.com...

*oops, already posted.

Also here, regarding Goddard and expanding Antarctic sea ice:

reallysciency.blogspot.com.au...

It seems that the person fudging data is Goddard.

a reply to: glend
I like the way you think. This is a good theory as it explains a few things. I believe TPTB are covering something up and I have been wondering why no government seems to care about massive debt.

Well...I've never commented about "Global Warming" or whatever they are calling it today...until now. Logically, IF the world is warming the question is, is it man-made warming or natural? If it is natural...nothing to do here. If it is man-made then what is causing it and how can we tone it down? My understanding, and now belief is that "Climate Change" is probably happening and it is mostly natural...not mostly man-made. With that...there is little to nothing we can do to fix the issue and most countries (China) don't care very much. And the expense, etc. would be huge.

But, considering the source...the lying, cheating and stealing liberals...I don't believe anything except for what I know. That they will do anything for power and control including killing people or destroying our way of life and costing us jobs. That is their goal. So...I call BS on the whole liberal "Climate Change" nonsense. Either it is real and there is nothing we can do and/or they are just trying to control...climate. Another tax, another department, another level of control.

So, have fun continuing this worthless conversation. It is all BS (one way or the other) and anyone buying the liberal agenda would, I'm sure, vote for Obama again. It is what it is and will end up how it ends up. Either with us free...or them controlling our money, freedom and...apparently..."use of anything that affects the weather".

Oops...forgot another reason. Keep Al Gore from continuing to look like a stupid prick.

a reply to: Phage

I just love/hate you phage.

You seem to be claiming science for your outer coat of armor...how you are always among the first responders to this global warming threads is beyond me. Do you have some sort of alarm set up for this ?

Just think, the effects on Earth should be 1600 times stronger.

No they shouldn't be. You are conviniently disregarding all other possible factors in the equation.

It's not just that simple as adding two numbers together. But for all intended purposes of this thread...you aren't shying away from making it look like it is.

Explain to me than...since you are trying to make it as simple...how come the gravity on Calisto is lower than gravity on the Moon...Calisto has more mass (which is according to science, the prime factor in gravity of the body)...it's bigger than the Moon. I'll tell you..because we don't know everything. We know not how gravity works...or why for that matter. We only speculate about it. It's the same with this warming/cooling trends. We can only observe certain aspects of the trend...but drawing definitive conclusions is a far reach from the truth.

Science has no definitive answers in that filed...but it likes to present itself as such...all knowing...to keep the firm grasp on the ball in the court. Many grants and state funding depends on the science "having" answers. If they do not...than the funding is funneled...elsewhere.

Never mind the fact that we can't actually observe the climate of Pluto, or Neptune, or any other planets.

really...? Than I'm simply amazed how the net is flooded with various charts and pie charts and whatnots...about how the core of a certain planet looks like...we claim to know to contents of the core...the elements...the state itself...yet...somehow...when needed...we can't tell the atmosphere of the planet. Oh...but the core...oh yeah...it's perfectly visible and known...

for instance...

Jupiter has a core 10-30 times heavier than Earth,[5] and exoplanet [HD149026b] has a core 67 times the mass of the Earth.[6]

Imagine that...how much we can calculate (because certainly we haven't sent a probe to detect the inner working of a planetary core)....yet...the atmosphere which is visible, detectable by our instruments...no go.We just can't get exact numbers....

Not to mention even that to this day...we have no real proof of evidence of what the core of Earth looks like or does a core even exists. It's a speculative concept to explain the gravity.

btw...I don't believe those numbers about the cores....it's just a calculated projection without having values for all the variables involved. For the purpose of our understanding...I'm willing to accept those numbers as rough estimates...not as the truth.



My point is...we know jack sh**....and don't try to pretend otherwise. I realize you have to maintain your scientific status...but it would do you a world of good to come of your high horse...


*disclaimer - i know it's coming...yeah...I know jack about real science....what I do know about is human deceit and human weakness...and more importantly...how the world works today...you seem to be completely unaware of it...or just wanting not to see it.

a reply to: cuckooold

and you believe in gravity I take it...great...


explain it to me how it works than....and what makes it....surely being all scientific...you would know the answer to that one.



Good luck.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
My understanding, and now belief is that "Climate Change" is probably happening and it is mostly natural...not mostly man-made.

But, considering the source...the lying, cheating and stealing liberals...I don't believe anything except for what I know.

You believe something is probably happening even though it might not be happening, then you go on to say you don't believe anything except for what you know. Why don't you just say that your not sure what going on instead of blindly believing something and then contradicting yourself to try to make a point?

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
But, considering the source...the lying, cheating and stealing liberals...I don't believe anything except for what I know. That they will do anything for power and control including killing people or destroying our way of life and costing us jobs. That is their goal.

Liberals are noted supporters of the death penalty and pressured Republicans to go into Iraq on lies, after all.

Anyway, ya'll are giving too much stock in the claims of some random guy on the internet. The Reason article has been linked before, but maybe look at it this time?

Steven Goddard isn't even his real name (supposedly he's one Tony Heller).

Anthony Watts, of the frequently-cited climate skeptic site wattsupwiththat.com..., had this to say about our esteemed Steven Goddard:

“Goddard” is wrong is his assertions of fabrication...
Goddard made two major errors in his analysis, which produced results showing a large bias due to infilling that doesn’t really exist. First, he is simply averaging absolute temperatures rather than using anomalies... His second error is to not use any form of spatial weighting (e.g. gridding) when combining station records...
I took Goddard to task over this as well in a private email, saying he was very wrong and needed to do better...
Predictably, he swept that under the rug, and then proceeded to tell me in email that I don’t know what I’m talking about...
In case you didn’t know, “Steve Goddard” is a made up name. Supposedly at Heartland ICCC9 he’s going to “out” himself and start using his real name...
This, combined with his inability to openly admit to and correct mistakes, is why I booted him from WUWT some years ago, after he refused to admit that his claim about CO2 freezing on the surface of Antarctica couldn’t be possible due to partial pressure of CO2...
He’s hopelessly stubborn, worse than Mann at being able to admit mistakes IMHO.

So, pick your sides. Do you agree with Mr. Watts - or Mr. Pseudonym?

a reply to: cuckooold

Did that one make you feel superior? Who denies climate? Do you even know what you are talking about?

Saying someone is a "climate denier" is the most ignorant thing I have heard in a while.

Sad when people make fun of something and cannot even get the name right.

originally posted by: Euphem
a reply to: cuckooold
Saying someone is a "climate denier" is the most ignorant thing I have heard in a while.

I thought that was pretty ignorant too then I remembered many republicans think humans walked alongside dinosaurs and I got over it.

a reply to: xuenchen

...All for the benefit of the Carbon trading market scams.

And all while many big industrial nations continue to "burn the witch".

Banker Ponzi Schemes have been around for centuries. They use ancient well proven tactics.

Just because the opportunists turn the crisis into an opportunity does NOT mean the crisis does not exist.

*sniff, sniiiifffff*

You guys smell that? I smell propaganda.

a reply to: Euphem

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you have some sort of comprehension issue?