Retired US Marine claims he spent 17 years on MARS protecting five human colonies from Martians

a reply to: Wrabbit2000
I am glad that you had a rewarding experience with it.
But after reading Joe McMoneagle's book on his experiences as a professional remote viewer, I lost faith in the idea.
He had predictions in the book based on his RVing, he was almost completely wrong on everything.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
It is an interesting situation shared how accurate unsure? @ times it was thought up that DNA extractions would be needed to generate-clone an enhanced human/? group force that could go out there into the cosmos biologically designed for cosmic inhabitance for whatever reasons... That are not humans native to EA*RTH but genetically from here or human.

Erm say again?

originally posted by: eriktheawful


Seems a bit far away. Why not on one of Jupiter's moons? Or the far side of the moon?

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Cause of Jupiter's radiation duuuh!

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
It is an interesting situation shared how accurate unsure? @ times it was thought up that DNA extractions would be needed to generate-clone an enhanced human/? group force that could go out there into the cosmos biologically designed for cosmic inhabitance for whatever reasons... That are not humans native to EA*RTH but genetically from here or human.

Erm say again?

Basically that there are HUMAN interest in the cosmos and that genetic modified/altered humans would be designed in order to handle long space duration activities w/o losing their environment suit/bodies strength from deterioration. They would make up the force combined with invited EA*RTH humans (military/scientist) required to and responsible for space related activity... Called them test tube babies long ago. How accurate the data is not sure this is a subjective share where from the data came

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: butcherguy

But what about his account, as fantastical as it might at first seem, do you find the most hard to believe?

Is it the physicality of technologically achieving it? Or is it that you don't or cannot believe a secret of such magnitude could be kept for such a long time?

What aspects cause you to immediately jump to the conclusion he is bonkers?

In all honesty, he MAY be an attention seeking loony, he's Human, so of course that possibility is always going to be present, but why would you automatically assume he is mad?

Is it simply because he gives an account that is so beyond out of the ordinary for most of us?

I'm genuinely interested in why anyone, presumably not psychiatrically trained (are you?) in the absence of any real evidence for or against his account, would assume the worst? And being realistic, IF his account is remotely accurate, the evidence is going to be thin on the ground unless others from this unit or force also come forwards and testify to their experiences.

It's not like you get any points or prizes for being the first to rubbish someones account of the fantastic, just as you don't get any for being the last.

Occam's razor: what's more plausible, a system and situation with zero proof and incredible secret even though it would take the efforts of tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of people in multiple countries with massive expenditures of resources through vast areas that can been seen with any person with the right equipment without a since bit of hard evidence produced or a nut that's seen to many science fiction movies?

He's not in the Marines, his descriptions of the military and the USMC fail at basic premises, and he has the timber and cadence of a schizophrenic.

a reply to: butcherguy

How would you explain the gasoline costs in the US are very high right now, when the supply is overabundant?

a bit of thread derailment....

ok...how much does a liter (I don't do gallons) unleaded petrol cost in the US.

Here in Croatia...a lowly redneck country...I pay 2 $ per liter ? I'm willing to bet that the US price is at least half that.

I would explain the gasoline cost in the US as extremely cheap...due to overabundancy. Just as expected.

Scarcity of water should make a desert thrive with vegetable growth then.

what's that got to do with economy ? vegetable growth requires water. When in fact in the economy...if you own a product that is scarce...than you got the bull by the balls....so to speak. Nature does it differently...overabundance is thriving...while in our world...overabundance means low prices which the seller of a product doesn't really want. It's exactly why most busynesses try to avoid...having a product that is overabundant. It's just not good busyness.

It is based on supply and demand

It's what you've been told at the economy class...right?

how can you honestly say that man...the demand is artificaily inflated due to need for the production to continue running...in reality we need 10 % (just of the top of my head) of the resources used. Most of it is wasted...thrown away.

just check out the tons and tons of food, clothes, water, electricity or any other resource...that is being wasted every year. Everybody driving cars to the post office and such...

in short...we are a civilization which is wasting resources like there is no tomorrow.

You your self stated that "marketing works". And do you feel the marketing tells you what you need...or what they need to sell to keep the busyness running ?

A good product that everybody wants...needs very little marketing if any. Most of what they sell you is useless garbage that you don't need in the first place. So how is that supply and demand...? Supply sure...but demand ?

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

a bit of thread derailment...

It will be okay I think... the Space Marine will tolerate it, I hope.

You your self stated that "marketing works". And do you feel the marketing tells you what you need...or what they need to sell to keep the busyness running ?

Well, I don't buy bottled water.
The goal of marketing is to convince you that you need a product, even though you don't.... obviously to support sales in their business. But it does work. Just because I can see through their scam to sell me an inferior product that I already have ready access from my kitchen tap, doesn't mean that a whole lot of people won't be fooled into buying.

A good product that everybody wants...needs very little marketing if any. Most of what they sell you is useless garbage that you don't need in the first place. So how is that supply and demand...? Supply sure...but demand ?

The demand is certainly there, otherwise the product would not be manufactured. How they gin up the demand is besides the point, whether it is through a viral campaign, or lying to us by telling us that our world will collapse upon us if we don't have their product in our cupboard... not being used.

Look I'm not saying that I absolutely believe this story but we all ask for proof and we all ask for stories but yet when one comes out we ridicule and deny that anything like that could exist. I'm telling you we are not this boring slow tech civilization. It is not and should not be hard to imagine that we have stuff like this already. In fact I do believe that we do have some sort of technology already that can get us from point A to point B much faster than what we think. Whether that is FTL is yet to be seen but this story is not that hard to believe.

Lol, a nutcase marine

a reply to: butcherguy

Well, I don't buy bottled water.
The goal of marketing is to convince you that you need a product, even though you don't.... obviously to support sales in their business. But it does work. Just because I can see through their scam to sell me an inferior product that I already have ready access from my kitchen tap, doesn't mean that a whole lot of people won't be fooled into buying.

hey...you won't get any arguments from me there...I completely agree that it works. But does "fooled into buying" mean demand ?

The demand is certainly there, otherwise the product would not be manufactured.

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You would think...I feel that these days many busynesses are started up not because there is a real demand...(like we need a billionth .com company or gazzilionth car manufactured) but because people need to do something that turns profit...to survive. The product demand is secondary. That's why when someone is successful in creating a unique product or a new invention...you will see a flood of that product all over the world...because everybody wants to get on money making train.

But hey...that's just my take on it...


Back to space marines....

About you RV comment. I have been a witness to some pretty impressive demonstration. As i'm sure you know...every market out there has it's sharlatans. Same as everything...there is somebody out there that will try to exploit every possible avenue to make money...by lying and selling books for instance. You might have stumbled on one of those...which is no surprise.

a reply to: Nochzwei

I'm not so sure. I have heard reports like his for years. I like you dismissed the idea. There are lots of UFO researchers out there that have talked about this possible Mars base for decades and even NASA has spoken about opening up bases on the Moon and on Mars.

I wouldn't discount it just yet. You've been watching too many movies!

a reply to: MysterX

I'm genuinely interested in why anyone, presumably not psychiatrically trained (are you?) in the absence of any real evidence for or against his account, would assume the worst?

I don't think he is ill mentally...
Although I wouldn't be surprised if he is a Megalomaniac...
Because he does appear to feel as if he was important pre-birth!!!

But it's his contradiction in his story that had me taking away the benefit of the doubt!!!

He says at one point he could hear his family sleeping despite an intruder that only he heard cluttering around the kitchen...

Going back he then says something about how his mother always had trouble sleeping medically and would be woken by a pin drop!!!

Other times he seems to be making it up as he goes along in my opinion, maybe he just isn't very good at expressing experience, but I doubt it!!!


Peace MysterX

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: eriktheawful

where did this dick head get acclimated to space, even on earth marines will spend a week or two in kuwait before rolling into Iraq one bullet purpose, get used to the desert before that was 2 months in mojave viper in death valley basically where was his PT going on at the effin moon gym, GTFO

You view seems strange to me, because if what he says is true then there are plenty of space training places he could have been sent to,

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
a reply to: Char-Lee

Maybe some of those drones and remote craft were secret in 1951, but many of the drones and other remote-controlled planes were publicly-available knowledge since the 1950s. Some of these were target drones, and some were used for reconnaissance.

I know at least some of the craft on that chart had been (and still are) displayed in Aircraft museums for decades. The idea of using unmanned drones is not THAT new, and it wasn't really a big secret even in the 1960s and 1970s. Sometimes they had pre-programmed flight plans, and sometimes they were remote-controlled.

I think most people have been led to believe that we have only recently had the capability of remote flying a large aircraft, that is why it came up as an argument about 9/11. We have heard nothing about DRONES throughout my entire life age 58 and yet they had them before i was born.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Joe M cMoneagle was on the Stargate project. I had hoped that this would have given him some credibility. I am not discounting RV entirely, but I am hesitant to believe a lot of it.

originally posted by: JIMC5499
This doesn't seem so strange compared to some of the other things that I've been asked to believe on ATS. Nano-thermite, micro nukes, holographic airplanes............etc. I'm inclined to give him the shadow of a doubt.

Secret advanced tech would explain so much. Like the story of the Army squadron that went to the aid of the alien craft in Mexico I think it was, he said it was a biological craft.he was taken to a base and debriefed..anyone remember the story?

If we take all the stories and put them together we would have to see that the creatures in that craft were probably created by our own scientists for distant space exploration.

If some of the stories were proved to be true I would think we would have to start to think BIG... way outside what we would call plausible.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: interupt42
If only the ATS discovered whistle blowers would work in Hollywood or the scifi channel we might actually get some pretty decent movies.

Yes, his story has the likes of 'Sharknado' and 'Mansquito' beaten soundly.

He really should submit a screenplay to the SciFi Channel.

Already been done, it's called John Carter of Mars. Bombed at the box office though.

a reply to: jonnywhite

Most of these tales aren't true. I'd say the bulk of them are people who want 15 minutes of fame. What a better way to do that then to concoct a story and stick to it until your death? It won't bother someone who has no shame about lying.

IF some of the stories are true there would also be false stories put out there to dilute the truth so some would be purposeful surely.

But it won't satisfy people who want solid evidence, like scientists. It's kind of like the existence of God. It's a possibility, but where's the solid evidence?

IF any of the stories are true any scientists coming forward with facts would probably die.

a reply to: uncommitted

yeah well..I liked the movie actually.

and this really is a "wild" story...but I'm not discounting it out of hand. If I learned anything in this life is...that "wild" is a matter of perspective. Once we have all the variables of the unknown...than we can discern what is wild.

originally posted by: gort51

originally posted by: Char-Lee
a reply to: butcherguy

You have to start wondering, where there is smoke...

We had the Navy Pilot that came forward with pretty much the same story years ago. Anyone have it my copy is gone it seems. He claimed he had beening flying in space on missions for years and had seen lighted cities on planets to far to reach.Many many others.

Secret Space Program Whistle blower Capt. Mark Richards Project Camelot
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think this is interesing from Zaron's thread in 2009

Efforts to conquer space began in earnest in the early 1960s when the first U.S. manned spacecraft Freedom 7 was successfully launched and recovered May 5, 1961. Both Astronaut Alan Shepard and the Freedom 7 were flown safely by helicopter to the deck of the USS Lake Champlain within 11 minutes of landing. With that successful recovery, President John F. Kennedy challenged the nation to land men on the moon and return them safely to earth before 1970.

Space Program drives Navy to reorganization. In answer to the challenge, NASA launched the Apollo Space Program. It soon became apparent that supporting the space program would be a significant priority for the Navy. Indeed, support of the space program and the launching of its own satellite navigation systems drove a number of organizational changes within the Navy. Along with some existing challenges the Navy had been battling for some time.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think these are the ones you are looking for

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

enjoy.

Add those to the stack but no, the one I meant was an anonymous letter that hit the internet from a guy claiming to be a Navy pilot who had been flying missions for years in space in advanced craft we built.
He said he felt people had the right to know that they are paying for all of this and yet have no idea. He said how far they have explored but I can't remember the details, he said at one point they say a planet with lights like cities but it was very distant and not somewhere they could reach. He said he would not be able to communicate a second time.
He has interesting details and sounded very sincere, I kept the letter but can no longer find it.