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originally posted by: Expat888
Well laid out case .. because most humans have the arrogance to think they are the only intelligent species in the universe and are unable to accept that other intelligent species are out there let alone visiting / observing earth.. it shakes up their worldview when faced with it so they do as usual - ignore reality and cling to their beliefs .. humanity is far from ready for ccntact with other species / civilizations ..
originally posted by: Blue Shift
I have yet to see any evidence at all that definitively links a phenomenon or sighting or any other thing with a hypothetical alien of any kind.
The best argument anybody can come up with is: "WE'VE ELIMINATED ALL OTHER POSSIBILITIES SO IT CAN'T BE ANYTHING ELSE BUT ALIENS!"
Which of course is just a lousy assumption and crappy logic all the way around.
originally posted by: waltwillis
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: astech
Just because qualitative information cannot be quantified to fit an existing paradigm does not mean ETs haven't visited Earth.
What kind of evidence would be required to prove it true or false?
Which has nothing to do with anyone's argument. The argument is this is not evidence of ET visitation. The argument is that there is no "qualitative information" in favor of ET visitation, yet those like the OP label them having been here as fact.
What if I don't care if you believe or not...
If I have seen an alien and come on this forum to share that with others, why do you stick your big fat nose into where it is not welcomed?
Are you here because you are interested to listen or be a thorn in the side of the folks that wish to share with others?
Grow up and get a life fella...
originally posted by: astech
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
Which has nothing to do with anyone's argument. The argument is this is not evidence of ET visitation. The argument is that there is no "qualitative information" in favor of ET visitation, yet those like the OP label them having been here as fact.
Given the cases, without a formed baseline or set precedence for an experience involving ETs or UFOs on Earth is, it is impossible to deny the cases as being extraterrestrial in nature. The cases can be viewed as fact, even if they aren't because it isn't something that can be measured or has complete definition, as of yet.
originally posted by: astech
a reply to: Arbitrageur
That is what I mean, and you're 100% correct, it is dependent on the inference of information. However, without drifting too much I'd like to point out that there are various cases of encounters where the percentages would swing more favorably towards the counter and the information is still inferred incorrectly. This is why I highlighted that the qualitative narration of encounters has the largest influence of its acceptability as extraterrestrial (of course there are other factors also).
I think the person experiencing an encounter would be better positioned to decide whether it was alien or not.
BTW it would be more reassuring if the encounter was like the picture in your aforementioned post. Unfortunately, or thankfully, I don't envisage an encounter like that in the near future.
originally posted by: waltwillis
What a bunch of hairless monkeys are the people that call themselves skeptics.
A real skeptic would never express their opinion without first hearing all the facts.
The pseudo-skeptics on this forum may be living proof the man did evolve from apes.
The larger question is why marginalize, demonize, and then try to discredit the people that are coming forward with information if you yourself have NO proof of whether or not aliens are here on earth?
I'll guess that the "skeptics" are not SKEPTICS at all, but people that enjoy being pricks.
No
I am still waiting for the mathematical equation I was told existed and proved ET life. Can someone supply it?
Astronomers have always thought that because life emerged quickly on Earth, it must be likely to occur elsewhere. That thinking now turns out to be wrong
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: waltwillis
What a bunch of hairless monkeys are the people that call themselves skeptics.
A real skeptic would never express their opinion without first hearing all the facts.
The pseudo-skeptics on this forum may be living proof the man did evolve from apes.
The larger question is why marginalize, demonize, and then try to discredit the people that are coming forward with information if you yourself have NO proof of whether or not aliens are here on earth?
I'll guess that the "skeptics" are not SKEPTICS at all, but people that enjoy being pricks.
You have a belief, you don't like it when that belief is challenged, we get it.
I am still waiting for the mathematical equation I was told existed and proved ET life. Can someone supply it?
If not then admit you believe and there is no evidence and move on. Just don't talk about the evidence and then refuse to provide any.
originally posted by: waltwillis
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: waltwillis
What a bunch of hairless monkeys are the people that call themselves skeptics.
A real skeptic would never express their opinion without first hearing all the facts.
The pseudo-skeptics on this forum may be living proof the man did evolve from apes.
The larger question is why marginalize, demonize, and then try to discredit the people that are coming forward with information if you yourself have NO proof of whether or not aliens are here on earth?
I'll guess that the "skeptics" are not SKEPTICS at all, but people that enjoy being pricks.
You have a belief, you don't like it when that belief is challenged, we get it.
I am still waiting for the mathematical equation I was told existed and proved ET life. Can someone supply it?
If not then admit you believe and there is no evidence and move on. Just don't talk about the evidence and then refuse to provide any.
Hey Fool, did you not hear what I said?
I don't need to believe...I know what I saw, and you don't know jack!
You have never seen an alien or a flying saucer so you have NOTHING to tell us at this forum!
So why are you here other then to give grief to other members that are reporting what they have seen?
Just Grow UP and get a life!
originally posted by: IngolfStern
the only REAL problem with the whole UFO thing is the people who cannot make up their ownminds, but are waiting for the government/TV to TELL them what to think.
until faux news says it, it aint true?
originally posted by: IngolfStern
the only REAL problem with the whole UFO thing is the people who cannot make up their ownminds, but are waiting for the government/TV to TELL them what to think.
until faux news says it, it aint true?
Thats the truth, the very Human existence on planet Earth is tight inn with the Aliens themselves, thats what the Gov makes them afraid off, that people know this, what would happen if this is the case? the world would flip inside out, the status quo would be lost and anarchy would engulf the entire planet!