Ryan lashes out at IRS commissioner: 'Nobody believes you'

I still have emails from 2008 with my gmail account with Google......and I've replaced my hard drive 4 times since then.

Ha.

You'd think that a mega branch of the government like the IRS would have all docs from people's taxes, to memos, to emails archived.

I mean internal DVR's have been around for how long now?

Why is it when stuff like this goes down it's never: Here is all our documents and they show that we did nothing wrong.

Instead, it's always: We were not aware. or Those files have been lost.

Okay, so... I am slightly uninformed however.

When I send an email, I have a copy in this nifty tab called sent.

Then the IRS would have the email in Inbox.


So wheres the sent copies of the emails?

originally posted by: iclimbtowers
Okay, so... I am slightly uninformed however.

When I send an email, I have a copy in this nifty tab called sent.

Then the IRS would have the email in Inbox.


So wheres the sent copies of the emails?

Please go back one page and read my two post reply to another member.

It explains exactly what is going on with this email non-sense.

Well, Paul Ryan would be the first person to listen to with a statement like "nobody believes you" because he's heard it so often himself.

However, for the first time in YEARS, I find myself agreeing with Paul Ryan.

Wow, was that a flying pig?

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Metallicus

Love or hate Paul Ryan you have to give him credit for this.

Credit for political theater???

I'll give Ryan and the rest of the GOP credit for one thing...they are unapologetic about their witch hunts and giving their supporters fake scandals for them to have fake outrage against.

Jesus. As a Libertarian (Capital L), I ask you exactly at what point did you sell your soul to your political party? I can absolutely guarantee you that if the roles were reversed and it was a Republican Administration getting grilled, you would be up in arms about this situation. You and people like you should really question your existence on this Earth - that goes for Republicans and Democrats - because your sport politics ideology is bringing this country down.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: kruphix

Wait...do you actually BELIEVE the emails were accidently lost? If anything them losing the emails proves to a rational person that they do have something to hide. Therefore, it is NOT a witch hunt unless you are one of those naive people that thinks that Government can be trusted. If so, I have some swampland in Florida to sell you.

Until you can provide contrary evidence, then yes I believe they were accidentally lost.

And no, a rational person doesn't make logic leaps and make assumptions to jump to a conclusion...especially if that person has already made up their mind about the topic.

This is a witch hunt...the GOP has zero evidence and they are HUNTING for it. They don't care if anything ever comes of it, just as long as their supporters get angry over it.

You are being played.

Gimme a break. This is not a witch hunt. This is a attempt to bring this corrupt administration to justice, since they have gotten away with murder time and time again.

They got Al Capone on RICO charges, not murder. Same thing here.

We are not fighting the DNC, we are fighting Chicago style politics. THAT has no place in the US.

And the evidence has been presented. You just refuse to accept the facts.

a reply to: TDawgRex

Gimme a break. This is not a witch hunt. This is a attempt to bring this corrupt administration to justice, since they have gotten away with murder time and time again.

They got Al Capone on RICO charges, not murder. Same thing here.

We are not fighting the DNC, we are fighting Chicago style politics. THAT has no place in the US.

And the evidence has been presented. You just refuse to accept the facts.

So now the Obama administration is responsible for the IRS email and backup system?

LOL.


And there you go again, saying that evidence is all over the place...and yet you won't actually point out any valid "evidence".

Please, go ahead...give me some hard "evidence".

a reply to: kruphix

Present some evidence that the IRS lost all these emails as a result of an accident!

Again the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. There are people who are serving very long prison based on less.

Only the blind are defending the IRS now.

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: TDawgRex

Gimme a break. This is not a witch hunt. This is a attempt to bring this corrupt administration to justice, since they have gotten away with murder time and time again.

They got Al Capone on RICO charges, not murder. Same thing here.

We are not fighting the DNC, we are fighting Chicago style politics. THAT has no place in the US.

And the evidence has been presented. You just refuse to accept the facts.

So now the Obama administration is responsible for the IRS email and backup system?

LOL.


And there you go again, saying that evidence is all over the place...and yet you won't actually point out any valid "evidence".

Please, go ahead...give me some hard "evidence".

Last I looked, the IRS was not a branch of the Democrats, Republicans, or ANY specific political party.

You really seem very defensive, I would say in a very obsessive way, as though the Democratic party is on trial.......not the IRS.

Seems to me that if there were no story here, no wrong doing by the IRS, then there should be no problems producing documents, and no one should be pleading the 5th, as then it means that there is NOTHING incriminating that was going on.

Instead we have seen just that: a government organization acting like it's gotten it's hand caught in the cookie jar.

And you being so very rabid in your defense of the IRS...........

Makes my eye brows raise up in a Mr. Spock pose.

Indeed.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: kruphix

Present some evidence that the IRS lost all these emails as a result of an accident!

Again the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. There are people who are serving very long prison based on less.

Only the blind are defending the IRS now.

Please present some of this wonderful evidence.

Why is it so hard for you guys to present evidence when directly asked for it??? Why is it that all you have is to say "there is tons of evidence" without really presenting any??? Could it be that there really isn't any...but you want to believe this so much that you will just be dishonest with yourself to do so?

There is testimony from the IRS saying the emails are lost, they presented a valid (although horrible IT practice) scenario. It isn't on me to prove anything...I'm not the one questioning the known facts. YOU are questioning them...so the burden of proof is on YOU to provide the evidence.

Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath...I'm sure you will just dodge the question again.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Seems to me that if there were no story here, no wrong doing by the IRS, then there should be no problems producing documents, and no one should be pleading the 5th, as then it means that there is NOTHING incriminating that was going on.

There have been thousands of documents produced, there have been tens of thousands of emails produced...the Republicans can't find ANYTHING...so the witch hunt continues.

If I was subpoenaed by a known witch hunt clan, I would plead the 5th as well.

You are watching a soap opera...it's a show the Republicans are putting on for their supporters. They have uncovered zero evidence and have proved absolutely nothing. But look how convinced you and others are of their story.

It's sad to watch.

a reply to: kruphix

It goes both ways. Show me your evidence!

IRS testimony is not evidence, especially when the vast majority of the testimony is pleading the 5th.

The truth will come out. The intel I've gathered so far suggests this is scandal goes very deep and high up the CoC.....this could indeed be bigger than Watergate.

The people will get the evidence and it will likely not be on this thread.

I have a thread in RATS, if I were to plea the 5th like the IRS to the IRS on a CP2000 notice, I will end up in prison. It is asinine to expect me, someone who does not even own nor can afford a car, to have the burden of poof against the IRS.

a reply to: kruphix

I'm sorry, but, doesn't this explaination of their system (which would also make them the only organization in the world to do it that way) seem a little TOO coincidental? At all? The information that could lay this whole thing to rest happened to have been on a hard drive that crashed and there are no backups of it. That just seems way too good to be true. Why would you not question this? Why would you not at least give a little bit of doubt? I'm confused as to how you can just accept it as gospel truth.

Please. Explain.

originally posted by: kruphix

So now the Obama administration is responsible for the IRS email and backup system?

LOL.


And there you go again, saying that evidence is all over the place...and yet you won't actually point out any valid "evidence".

Please, go ahead...give me some hard "evidence".

Let's look at it this way. If Obama were the CEO of a corporation and various departments of his company had security breaches, illegal activities and generally were not doing what was in the best interest of the stockholders; then yes, he would be held accountable because it is ultimately his duty to ensure all departments function properly.

One or two issues handled immediately, fine, but when it is a non-stop steam of scandals left to fester..... Well then yes, I find him partially responsible.

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: eriktheawful

Seems to me that if there were no story here, no wrong doing by the IRS, then there should be no problems producing documents, and no one should be pleading the 5th, as then it means that there is NOTHING incriminating that was going on.

There have been thousands of documents produced, there have been tens of thousands of emails produced...the Republicans can't find ANYTHING...so the witch hunt continues.

If I was subpoenaed by a known witch hunt clan, I would plead the 5th as well.

You are watching a soap opera...it's a show the Republicans are putting on for their supporters. They have uncovered zero evidence and have proved absolutely nothing. But look how convinced you and others are of their story.

It's sad to watch.

And yet: emails were lost (BS....lost......pure BS).

The 5th was cited. The 5th.

You plead the 5th so that you do not incriminate yourself.

If there was no wrong doing.......none at all.....why plead the 5th?

There would be no reason to do that.....

And yet it was done.

Witch hunt indeed.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: kruphix

It goes both ways. Show me your evidence!

IRS testimony is not evidence, especially when the vast majority of the testimony is pleading the 5th.

The truth will come out. The intel I've gathered so far suggests this is scandal goes very deep and high up the CoC.....this could indeed be bigger than Watergate.

The people will get the evidence and it will likely not be on this thread.

I have a thread in RATS, if I were to plea the 5th like the IRS I will end up in prison. It is asinine to expect me, someone who does not even own a car, to have the burden of poof against the IRS.

I am holding the default position on the issue, I'm not challenging the story or saying that someone is lying...that would be you and all the others.

So sorry bud, I don't have to prove anything...you have the burden of proof if you are claiming there is an alternate version of the official story.

I have no idea wth you are talking about with RATS or what having a thread there means and why it dissolves you from having to prove your wild theories.


But yet again...you come up with nothing...all this evidence and "intel" that you have gathered...and you can't seem to even produce a single shred of it. You will just keep dodging and avoiding the question....because you don't have any...all you have is Right Wing media talking heads telling you that they are lying and that there is a ton of evidence...guess what...they never tell you what the "evidence" is either...and that is why you are here now looking rather foolish claiming there is all this evidence and yet you can't produce anything.

a reply to: kruphix

Intel that continues to be gathered by a collective of people....which at this point is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The truth will come out.

The burden of proof is not on me alone, to suggest otherwise is grasping at straws.

Keep up your straw-man high school debate tactics.

originally posted by: Echo3Foxtrot
a reply to: kruphix

I'm sorry, but, doesn't this explaination of their system (which would also make them the only organization in the world to do it that way) seem a little TOO coincidental? At all? The information that could lay this whole thing to rest happened to have been on a hard drive that crashed and there are no backups of it. That just seems way too good to be true. Why would you not question this? Why would you not at least give a little bit of doubt? I'm confused as to how you can just accept it as gospel truth.

Please. Explain.

Because I don't make up a fantasy world in my head to confirm my own bias opinions.

If you want to do so with no evidence to back it up...be my guest.

Me, you, and everyone else on this message board has no ability to "look into this"...all of us rely on information coming from the IRS or the congressional investigation...if you make assumptions beyond that, then you are just playing make believe.

Bottom line is this...there has been ZERO evidence uncovered despite the Republicans best effort to suggest any wrong doing. If the people who are desperate can find no evidence, why shouldn't I be satisfied with that?

You go ahead and play make believe...I'll stick with the known facts until other facts come out.

a reply to: Metallicus

He didn't hold any one accountable. I heard his rant - his time, as he called it allowed for no answers - just his "I don't believe you". And he was and is being praised for what exactly? Jeezz....

a reply to: FyreByrd

I do not doubt Mr. Ryan has motives behind this little stunt. His body language was interesting during the exchange. Regardless this scandal does strike a personal note with me, hence my interest in the issue.

What would happen if I plea the 5th on a CP2000?