Very weird theory that I found on the Internet

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

That wasn't an insult to you. I know what your logical boundaries are based on ALL of your posts I have ever read on ATS, and your name.

The ONLY thing you think about is logic(which isn't necessarily a bad thing) but why keep on fighting over a subject that in your mind is so utterly stupid?

Why not spend your time on something that you actually could believe in? Seems like a waste to me...unless you enjoy trying to put others down?

At least listen to the first 30 seconds of this video. Who are these 'clowns' and what are they trying to pull here? Is this some kind of Chris Angle Maindfreek production or what?

Well my 2 cents, I've always pronounced it steen now whether it was stain all along I don't remember. Because of pronouncing it steen I would have remembered it stein and spelled it that way. So with that in mind I believe that's where the conundrum lies.
Is it because I have a tendency to remember words phonically I know that is way I've spelled them by seeing them in my head and spelling the way I've pronounced it.
I ask my daughter,son in law and son they all said stein
Or it's the Mandela effect...

Maybe someone can add all the steins vs stains in this thread?? just to see the numbers and make a graph??

a reply to: jacygirl

Hello Jacy,

I'm throwing time travel out of the window after I found this explanation.

First of all, it's really difficult to know one way or the other, because "presumably, when a time traveler would change our past, this would also instantaneously change our memories of the past in order to render them consistent with the 'new' past," says Christian Wüthrich, a professor of Philosophy and Science Studies at UCSD. "If the changes to our past occur instantaneously and completely consistently, i.e., involving updates to all memories and record of the past, then we may not just not know it for certain."

Source: io9.com...

So the other out-there theory which I was playing around with in my mind is parallel universe theory and universe A and E somehow meeting at some point.
Will read on that theory a little later.
I need to finish baking a cherry pie.

I also liked the butterfly effect, but don't know how that could relate to our dilemma just yet.
I've also been reading about the chaos theory, which if could be proven true would prove time travel to be impossible.
But since both are theories, nothing is certain.

Oh boy, I have ended up with more questions than I had at the beginning, nevertheless I find it exciting.

Edit to add:
Canada
1980
No NDE

originally posted by: Rainbowresidue
a reply to: jacygirl

Hello Jacy,

I'm throwing time travel out of the window after I found this explanation.

First of all, it's really difficult to know one way or the other, because "presumably, when a time traveler would change our past, this would also instantaneously change our memories of the past in order to render them consistent with the 'new' past," says Christian Wüthrich, a professor of Philosophy and Science Studies at UCSD. "If the changes to our past occur instantaneously and completely consistently, i.e., involving updates to all memories and record of the past, then we may not just not know it for certain."

Source: io9.com...

Given that we dont even know if time travel is possible, Id have to say that making any assumptions whatsoever about how it "should" work have a shaky foundation, at best. We dont even know if such a thing exists, much less make assumptions on how it would work if it did.

Now, we do all time travel every moment we are alive. Its quite specific, but its also relative. Exploring how to travel through time at a rate which differs from the "natural" rate would be a major starting point, but we havent gotten to that point (if we ever will).

Also of note would be that time travel and manipulation of the time lines are two different processes. The former is unknown, the latter happens every time one culture eats another. In this case, you dont need to change actual history, only societies perception of it.

a reply to: Serdgiam

I know we haven't proven time travel to be possible (although some threads would say otherwise).
I'm just trying to go through each and every one theory out there and find the one that fits this problem of ours best.

Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts.
I appreciate it.

a reply to: Euphem

That wasn't an insult to you.

Of course not. Wait, what the hell was it then?

I know what your logical boundaries are based on ALL of your posts I have ever read on ATS, and your name.

No you don't and I didn't ask if you thought you knew what they were, I asked what they were. You don't know.

And what does my name have to do with this? Are you in favor of obfuscation?

The ONLY thing you think about is logic(which isn't necessarily a bad thing) but why keep on fighting over a subject that in your mind is so utterly stupid?

That's a mischaracterization right there. I don't think this whole situation is utterly stupid. Some of it yes but not all of it. If you think you know me from some of my posts you're deluding yourself.

In closing, I am not the topic.

a reply to: Rainbowresidue

Hey Rainbow!
I did write a theory about 'mistaken memories being implanted/inserted' (a page or two back)...but I see that no one has jumped in to agree with that one, lol.
We don't seem to have much to work with if we're going to use logic.

The Andrew Zimmerman thing has really thrown me for a loop. That's not just spelling, but a change in the number of syllables (from Zimmerman to Zimmern). This is all driving me nuts, because anyone who knows me, knows that I'm 'famous' for having an excellent memory.

I'm running out of theories, and hoping that others can come up with something.
Not quite sure how I could slip dimensions, taking my family and pets (wardrobe and accessories) with me, lol.

The 'stein' camp seems to be more vocal than the 'stain' camp....but if they've only ever known it as 'stain'...no doubt they think we're all nuts. Pfffft....I yam what I yam.
jacy

originally posted by: Rainbowresidue

I'm throwing time travel out of the window after I found this explanation.

First of all, it's really difficult to know one way or the other, because "presumably, when a time traveler would change our past, this would also instantaneously change our memories of the past in order to render them consistent with the 'new' past," says Christian Wüthrich, a professor of Philosophy and Science Studies at UCSD. "If the changes to our past occur instantaneously and completely consistently, i.e., involving updates to all memories and record of the past, then we may not just not know it for certain."
Source: io9.com...

Unless there are no time travelers, but there are ways to facilitate change in the past without "traveling" there.

If you could somehow alter history, say prevent the holocaust and WWII, you would change nothing in this present time. You would create a new timeline from the point where you changed history, and it would run a separate course through the fabric of time apart from your own. Who knows what that new reality would be like now in 2014?

If you could prevent a world war in the future, or prevent a major catastrophe with foreknowledge and intervention, you would also create an alternative timeline that would run course apart from that future, only now you are along for the ride, a part of a new reality.... Problem is, the timeline is now unstable, unpredictable and chaotic.. potentially dangerous.

The trick is in finding ways to alter the past without creating a divergent or alternative timeline.

Small changes can be made (such as a single letter in a name), in the process the historical records are instantly rewritten, however human memory can retain fragments of the past before the change was made. Also digital storage memory can sometimes retain fragments of the past before the change.

Of course, it's just a theory.

As always in order to convince your target audience a theory must require functional tests and undeniable proof...

originally posted by: jacygirl

Honestly, I can't buy into the time travel theory. My logical side just won't accept it.

It's not exactly about time travel. I think it's more akin to multiple (infinite) parallel universes. This is a popular scientific theory. This is not in the realm of fantasy and you shouldn't refuse it outright.

The new research also lends credence to the idea of a multiverse. This theory posits that, when the universe grew exponentially in the first tiny fraction of a second after the Big Bang, some parts of space-time expanded more quickly than others. This could have created "bubbles" of space-time that then developed into other universes. The known universe has its own laws of physics, while other universes could have different laws

www.space.com...

You may have to "buy into" it someday

originally posted by: jacygirl
a reply to: Euphem

Oh geez, super sorry!

I'm actually getting kind of stressed, just finding out about Andrew Zimmerman. (And also having someone just say they always remember Zimmern).
I didn't mean to be rude...I'm confused and yet insistent that I know what I remember.

Sending myself for a time-out away from the computer.
jacy

I'm with you I thought it was Zimmerman,...what the heck is going on?
I'm baffled!!!

a reply to: Doodle19815

QuickOffice (Shows as wrong and when you right click corrects to Berenstein), MS Word (Word corrects it as soon as you hit the space bar) and Google Docs (Shows as wrong and wants you to correct it, Berenstein gives no error). So I am wagering if all three of those correct it, pretty much every spell checker does.

Why not the real option? You remember it wrong, and more than likely mispronounced it to your children so now they spell it wrong...

An example of this is my brother who I read these books to. He is 34. He SWEARS it is Berenstein and even lurked this thread. I KNOW it was Berenstain because I read them to him. I also have the books still (Copyright 1963)

The issue? I pronounced it to him BERNSTEEN when I read them to him due to a childhood southern accent. So he swears it was the BERNSTEIN bears and was even confused by BerENstain.

So what, is there another dimension on top of us who think it is Bernstein????

There is nothing wrong with accepting that you remember it wrong...and how exactly are you going to get to the "bottom of this". How do you intend to prove there is another dimension that is a better explanation than the simplest and most logical one?

a reply to: jacygirl

originally posted by: TWILITE22


I'm with you I thought it was Zimmerman,...what the heck is going on?
I'm baffled!!!

Just to confuse things even more (yay)...I'm one of the stubborn -steiners, and I remember Zimmern. I thought it was Zimmerman the first time I heard/ saw the show, but realized it was Zimmern. I never made that mistake again. So I can't really offer my support for the Zimmerman memory.

Sorry, I didn't have time to read the whole thread, but when I was growing up it was Stein, NOT Stain! And that is a fact! Who changed the spelling and why I don't know.

originally posted by: raymundoko
You remember it wrong, and more than likely mispronounced it to your children so now they spell it wrong...

a reply to: jacygirl

Haven't you noticed none of us have budged yet? not even in the face of superior logic and rationality. Let us have our fun unmolested please

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Okay so then you believe it is possible that there are different "timelines" where in one they were spelled Berenstein, and the other Berenstain? Other than some theory like that, there is no way to explain this with anything other than logic.

So I will ask you, do you believe that is possible? That I am from a parallel universe where it was spelled Berenstein? If not than this has gone past your logical boundaries.

If you do think it is possible than maybe you should look back at your vast number of posts on this thread stating otherwise.

originally posted by: new_here

originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: new_here

All of these cases are digital no?

Any real world evidence in print on paper?

Good luck...

The internet/computers and human brain do share some interesting similarities in how memory works.

Find anything real, and we can take this to a whole new level of disclosure.

Actually, the book on Publishing Law is not available in eBook form. Granted, that preview is up on the net, but you can only order a hard copy of it.

But I've got a real odd feeling about the Copyright Lawyer's page of credits listing them as a client and spelling it Berenstein Bears. Does that not strike anyone else as... more damning than an Amazon ad typo?

I wonder just how the legal contracts were made? Stein or Stain? If the book is any indication someone could legally publish books under the Berenstain Bears? or Berenstein bears?

a reply to: jacygirl

What do you think about postings that say Berenstein, yet have an image showing Berenstain?? Ultimately it doesn't matter how they are spelled on the internet, it matters how they are spelled on the book. I went to Barnes and Noble last night and asked the 20~ year old checkout guy...he said stein...I showed him the book. He actually said it might be a knockoff....so yeah. People are wrong.

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
At least listen to the first 30 seconds of this video. Who are these 'clowns' and what are they trying to pull here? Is this some kind of Chris Angle Maindfreek production or what?

I was not aware that Seuss had collaborated with them. I am a huge fan of his work. It caught me a little off guard when Mrs. Berenstain pronounced his name "Guyzel." I have only ever heard it pronounced "Geezle." I went to a gallery exhibit of his work in Austin. The presenter, who claimed to be an expert on his work, pronounced it "Geezle." Tomayto, tomotto.