Watch Trey Gowdy’s Powerful Speech in Congress That Could Be a Defining Moment for America.

originally posted by: thesaneone
Typical jimmy tactics call people racist and when asked how he runs away.

as a white guy, I've been to South Carolina, I've heard it loud and clear myself when no black people have been around, and sometimes even when they have.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: thesaneone
Typical jimmy tactics call people racist and when asked how he runs away.

as a white guy, I've been to South Carolina, I've heard it loud and clear myself when no black people have been around, and sometimes even when they have.

So your example applies universally? Really? Come on now. I've been in the gettos and observed horrible prejudice but I am smart enough to realize that is not universal.

Trey Gowdy??? Are you serious? This guy???

Seriously???

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: thesaneone
Typical jimmy tactics call people racist and when asked how he runs away.

as a white guy, I've been to South Carolina, I've heard it loud and clear myself when no black people have been around, and sometimes even when they have.

You heard it from Trey Gowdy's mouth? B.S

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
Trey Gowdy??? Are you serious? This guy???

Seriously???

Aw yes Salon, one of the literary greats. Besides kind of liking my Congressmen drug-free I don't really see the problem. Oh yeah, I particularly enjoyed reading another Salon article on the same page "Human-on-dolphin sex is not really that weird" told me all that I needed to know about Salon. I think I'll go back to the National Enquirer and read some more about Batboy.

a reply to: nighthawk1954

What is our recourse, what is our remedy? Some would argue that the framers gave us the power of the purse and the power of impeachment, but those are punishments and not remedies. What is the remedy if we want the Executive to enforce our work?

So since when is it punishment to have power of the purse? Seems he may have grazed right over the fact they don't seem to have that power anymore. Just another fact pointing to how bad it has become and how broken our system of government has become.

Defining moment for America? Please. It's just politics as usual. The way it's always been. When a Democrat is president, the other side does everything they can to stonewall him. Then they can turn around and say, "see, he didn't do what he promised. Now, put our guy in there, and everything will be hunky dory." When a Republican is president, the democrats do exactly the same thing. It's actually depressing, and it gets reeeeeeaaaalllly old.

I think the way we do things needs to be changed up. Anyone running for president needs to have a platform that's pretty detailed, like what kind of healthcare system, what kind of tax increase or decrease, infrastructure improvements, and so on. Then, whoever wins the election gets to do the things that were listed on the platform, and no one should be allowed to try and stop him/her. The only time Congress gets involved is if the president starts doing things very differently from his/her platform - then they can work to stop it. If something unplanned comes up that wasn't included on the platform, congress can do it's ugly thing - as usual. But as long as it coincides with the elected platform, he/she should have free rein. That's my opinion anyway.

a reply to: whywhynot

I live in SC and know of mr gowdys family personally. One of them is even a lawyer who helps get people on welfare and or disability and other issues. Typical democratic smear jobs here folks nothing to see here. Whywhynot I agree wih you btw.

a reply to: yuppa

I actually joked (maybe not) the other day with my wife that I'd move to the Congressman's district just to be able to vote for him.

a reply to: whywhynot

"Human-on-dolphin sex is not really that weird" told me all that I needed to know about Salon.

Because of you, I went and checked out this article.

First, this was an experiment done almost 50 years ago and only now being made public. And how does Salon's headline compare to other headlines reporting the experiment.
Lets see.

Then came the headlines. “Woman reveals sex with dolphin.” “The woman who lived in sin with a dolphin.” “The dolphin who loved me.” “This Woman Jerked Off A Dolphin — And Liked It!” “Scientist Says Relationship With Dolphin Was ‘Sensuous.’” “Woman waxes poetic about giving precious, sensual hand-jobs to a dolphin.” ”‘I had a sexual relationship with a dolphin’” (despite the quotes, she never actually said that).
Salon's headline seems quite balanced next to those.

Getting past the attention grabbing nature of the title, the article actually goes into a bit of history of scientific experiments which involve animal sexuality. In this specific case it was a NASA funded trial where a female scientist lived in a house that was filled with enough water so that a dolphin could live there to. As part of the experiment she was tasked to allow a certain amount of leeway with what was termed the dolphins sensual behavior towards her, including manual stimulation of the dolphin. The article also is clear that though the action was sexual to the dolphin it in no way was for the female scientist.

While we may argue over the validity of experiments such as this, Salon, to my mind was not overly sensationalist in it's title as well, it was informative with no bias in it's presentation of these experiments.

So, back to your issue with Salon's unflattering presentation of Trey Gowdy, I think I can give it a little more credence than one might find in the National Enquirer.

For all the people in this thread, banging on about race, and party politics, and the so called issues...

Aren't you all missing the point? It's impressive, but not at all productive. The trouble with politicians, is that they can all speak, and they can all write, and those things are usually wonderful. The problem with politicians, is that for all their talk, when they get within a gnats fart of some significant power, their words become worth many times less than someone would pay, for the carbon dioxide that they expel while speaking them.

NONE of your representatives give a God damn for any one of you, and you may ask how I can know that. For an answer, look at where they are, the building they work in, the perks of their jobs. Look at how none of them struggle to stay solvent, now none of their children were prevented from getting a college education, purely because of financial concerns. Look at how even those of them with the least of what makes the world go round, live in relative luxury. These are people who are OUTSIDE the normal society, people who do NOT face difficulties in the normal things in life, people whose problems boil down to who they owe a favour to, rather than who they owe a mortgage payment to.

The politicians who are allowed to wield power, are those who have proven themselves furthest from the masses, those who have flourished at the right dinners, made the correct noises in front of the right donors, greased the correct palms, and have immersed themselves in the rarefied environment and culture of the political establishment.

One does not retain ones understanding of the plight of the common person, once one ceases to actually BE a common person. In Britain, common merely means, anyone not born into royalty or nobility. I think that description has become outdated in the extreme, because both here, and in the US, and in all the nations that I have read of in the last seven years here on ATS, and my whole life independent of this community, the least common people are the most powerful.

It does not matter a brass plated damn, whether your President is a Democrat, or a Republican, or an independent, or a total pants on head basket case, because the one thing that sets the President, and every single politician in the WORLD apart from his fellow human beings, is the fact that politicians, by default, are asking people to give them power.

NO ONE WHO WANTS IT SHOULD EVER BE ALLOWED TO HAVE IT! This Trey Gowdy is no better or worse of a human being than Obama, or Charles Manson, or any other power seeking bastard. The entire mess of them, politicians of every creed and nation, they all suffer a delusion, that they are worthy of being considered to hold power. None of them ever are.

Human beings everywhere need to start thinking about things with this in mind. My attitude therefore, to this video, and to all political discourse undertaken by politicians, as opposed to discussion between the people, is that as nice as it sounds to hear someone speak with a voice of reason, it does not mean that their motives are pure, or even a little bit honest. It just means that the politician in the limelight, has found a way to receive brownie points from a cross section of the electorate. That is what they do, that is how they get along.

These people are draining your country dry of resources, allowing a situation to exist where for every dollar in existence, there are two dollars of debt, no matter how little money the government spends, they are allowing your liberties to be eroded from under you, they are allowing party politics to prevent the business of government being done, ALL OF THEM, NOT JUST OBAMA, AND NOT JUST THE REPUBLICANS!

You are being set up. Most of you even KNOW that, and yet you STILL cannot put aside your differences and unite against this situation. I am no one to brag, things are the same in my country. I still cannot stand the Conservative party when it comes to voting day. But the thing is, that in almost every other way, I recognise that there is no representation for the common person, as long as uncommon people ( the new definition, not the old one involving nobility) continue to wield power.

Wise up. The debate that might sprung up around this video might be interesting, but it is not getting anyone anywhere because to debate it as an extension of the wider discussion had in that chamber, is to let the wool go down over your eyes, and not bat an eye. All of you are better than that, I know it.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire
I'd make a longer reply but after reading your post I need a bath.

a reply to: whywhynot

When you get back from your bath, you may comment on my above reply or this one if you like.

Upon reading your post on Salon and Gowdy, I found it to be reactionary. But having never read anything on Salon before I decided to check out the rag you consider to be less reputable than National Enquirer. What I found was not a sensationalist article but one which simply reported on a current news report. Unbiased

So I replied to your post that I might further my insight as to the positioning of your replies on Gowdy as I could find no problem with the article on the dolphin that disturbed you so.

In your reply above I have no idea if you are denegrating Salon again or the unbiased report of a current news topic o r the scientific experiments with animals? Or just me.

Were I to take a guess, I might suppose that your just answer as glibly and snidely as possible so as not to have to engage in real thought or serious inspection of the issue at hand. However, as I do not know you, and have never seen you post here, that would be a rush to judgment on my part based on over all comparisons of these traits found in certain segments of the population.

So, once your bath is over, reply if you wish. If not, well, my day will go on just as well as before but for knowing of one more member here that is not worth talking with.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

What I think people find disgusting about that article of the woman and dolphin is the BEASTIALITY ANGLE. Its very off topic and should not had been mentioned at all in this thread period.

WHat does Salon have to do with Gowdy?

@truebrit.

Im sorry but are we suppossed to care what a non american says on american issues or politics? No disrespect but seriously? WHat has Gowdy Done SPECIFICALLY to YOU or to anyone except within the bounds of the law?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

What I found was not a sensationalist article but one which simply reported on a current news report. Unbiased

PLEASE.

www.salon.com...
Salon is a political liberal and progressive news website, with content updated each day.[1] Part of Salon Media Group (OTC

Link

Hardly Unbiased it is so desperate to keep from losing more million that they resort to sensationalist headlines. Sound like any other rags you know?

www.siliconbeat.com...

Those who are knocking Trey Gowdy's record or him it his message is what is important. His speech is expressing a trend of executive branch to gather more power. If you read what the founders wanted meant and designed you would realize he is right.

These 2 links are a good start to learn about the republic. There are plenty more good sources.

www.thefederalistpapers.org...

www.archives.gov...


Never mind If you are too far left or too far right minds are made up dont want to confuse you .

a reply to: jimmyx

That's the same logic my mom uses. (My mom has dementia by the way)

"Damned Republicans!!!!!" "They're all racist!"

"WHy Mom. Why are they racist?"

"Because they hate Obama!""

"Well yeah, he's a democrat and they're republicans"

"Those crazy republicans and their damned guns!!!!! they're all crazy!!!"

"Why Mom, because they support guns and the second amendment? I own a gun too mom and support the second amendment."

"WHAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're not my son!"

No kidding that's a real conversation I had with my mom. Your post isn't much further off from that same type of logic. Don't like 'em....They must be racist....because.... ?????....because...just because OK!!!!!

a reply to: yuppa

If you cannot accept that a person from outside your country can know something about how it operates at a fundamental level, then there is no reason to try and communicate with you. I have put up with just about enough of that sort of bloody minded stupidity over the course of my membership here, and frankly, it got boring in the first week.

The fact is, that on the intrinsic level, of power, and how it is distributed, and used, our nations cannot be picked apart all that easily. It's the plumbing that differs, not the foul water that flows through it. If you choose to poo poo my thoughts just because I do not come from your country, then you are welcome to, but that is an ignorant position to adopt, and will avail you of nothing positive in the long run. This website has a membership that includes members from all over the planet, and there is no rule, nor any reason, for persons from outside a nation to refrain from commenting on what goes on inside it. This is a discussion site, not a discuss on the basis of geographical proximity to the issues site.

If it was, it would be a damned boring site to be a part of. The Fukushima threads for instance, would have been an awful lot less busy than they were.

Trey Gowdy has not personally affronted me, in any fashion more extreme than does any politician, simply by being a politician. That affront however, is massive. I get pretty damned angry at my government here in the UK, because they screw me, and everyone I know. But the US government makes me angry because I care about people in general. I also care deeply about some of the wonderful members I have met here on ATS, and when another douche in a suit tries to gain himself some sort of backing by making the noises everyone wants to hear, I groan inwardly because I can SEE the bull crap for what it is, and I know some poor unfortunate persons are buying it. Every time that happens, it damages the lives of the people around here that I care about.

So yes. It is personal. It is personal because every abuse of liberty and freedom that has ever been enacted, was enacted by people who were so narcissistic as to believe themselves worthy of attaining and wielding power, and every time I, or someone I care about, gets touched by the effects of this insidious and harmful societal construct, you had better believe I take it personally. It is the only way to take it!

Absolutely inspiring. A little inkling of hope has welled up inside me that says maybe, just maybe, our once great country is not quite in her death throes, choked within the massive gears of the political machine.

All I see so far in this thread is ad hominem, partisan attacks against the bearer of this message. A message that's needed articulation and audience for a long time coming.

Claims of racism are dividing us as a people. Its the current sure-fire method of character assassination. A diversionary, inflamatory tactic, diverting attention and energy away from the true issues at hand.

As a wise man once said, "Together, we stand; Divided, we fall."

I cannot help myself............ this is Obama 2.2

Another guy made to sway the people with all kinds of good talk coming out, timing is perfect too.