IRS Has Lost MORE E-mails

Well, well, well...looks like Emails from SIX more IRS employees involved in the scandal, have mysterious disappeared.
SERIOUSLY????

It’s not just Lois Lerner’s e-mails. The Internal Revenue Service says it can’t produce e-mails from six more employees involved in the targeting of conservative groups, according to two Republicans investigating the scandal.

The IRS told Ways and Means chairman Dave Camp and subcommittee chairman Charles Boustany that computer crashes resulted in additional lost e-mails, including from Nikole Flax, the chief of staff to former IRS commissioner Steven Miller, who was fired in the wake of the targeting scandal.

FULL article:
www.nationalreview.com...

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a reply to: IAMTAT

You beat me to it.. lol.. It looks like the IRS has figured out that they can simply say "Gee..we lost the only evidence which matters ..so, moving on now.." and people will actually accept it from the very people accused of wrong doing to move on.

I sure as hell hope this kind of logic works the next time I face an IRS auditor for something I honestly and sincerely lost or no longer have for some point of verification.

Somehow..I'm not counting on their standards being worth much for the use of mere peasants though. That's a special status, it seems...for just those special people. However that is defined these days.

a reply to: IAMTAT

So...I guess this is the new lie the IRS scraped from the bottom of the barrel in order to not comply with a Congressional hearing.

All those emails are in email limbo along with any other ones in any investigation that involves this administration.

All it took was 18 minutes of missing tape, to bring Nixon down. Someone needs to grow a pair, and nail these arrogant lying out of control asshats to the wall. As if Holder and the DOJ, (what a joke that is...the Department of Justice) will do anything to make them comply.

This is another stall tactic to push the investigation to past the November elections.

They could ask the white house to provide the emails from their end...but that won't happen.

Des

Check with the NSA. I am sure they have a copy.

Unless every hard drive that those emails touched was physically destroyed, they are still "out there" somewhere. A top notch military computer forensic team could probably get them, if so desired.

"Oops they're lost" is very much like saying, "I don't remember".

a reply to: IAMTAT
LIES!!
If financial records showing who owes the banks what can never be deleted, the same can be said for every other piece of info on the web.
Maybe the IRS could ask the NSA for a backup copy of their e-mails.
No? Yeah I didn't think so...

Apparently, the IRS knew thes Emails were 'lost' for several months.

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) knew for months that Lois Lerner’s emails had been destroyed, even before the current IRS commissioner testified that his agency would produce all of them.

The IRS knew as early as February 2014 that Lerner’s emails were missing, top lawmakers on the House Committee on Ways and Means confirmed Tuesday. The IRS had this knowledge nearly three months before IRS commissioner John Koskinen agreed at a hearing to turn over all of Lerner’s emails to the committee.

Additionally, the IRS failed to deliver emails from six other IRS employees at the heart of the IRS targeting scandal including former IRS official and frequent White House visitor Nikole Flax, according to the Ways and Means Committee.

dailycaller.com...

a reply to: IAMTAT

If we were to believe they are lost is one thing. But, we know they are not lost, but just not being given to the committee.

This is a HUGE slap in the face to a body of our government in place as part of the checks and balances.

The IRS is only following their leaders example in how to deal with Congress. Ignore them, and tell lies because there will be no consequences for their actions. They always have their mighty pen wielding master to magically make all their troubles go poof, with a stroke of his pen.

The IRS is his gestapo...he'll take care of them.

Des

It is amazing how the Pentagon can not account for trillions and that is swept under the rug. The IRS demands essentially perfect accounting and perfect record keeping from us peasants. If we are off by a few peanuts then we can face all sorts of trouble.

It is sickening really. I have my own battle going on with the IRS and it is frustrating. So far in my case, the burden has been on me to prove I did not make a mistake.

Guilty until I prove myself innocent.

The NSA and others are capable of recovering these missing emails. If they are ever called out on it, they will likely use an excuse like it is against their ethics, or against their SoPs for them to 'invade' the IRS's privacy.

One of the IRS employees whose Emails were 'lost' was Nikole Flax a frequent visitor to the White House:

During [Steve]Miller’s tenure[former IRS Commissioner], his chief of staff was Nikole Flax, who also regularly visited the administration officials in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building and made several visits to the White House.

In 2008 and 2009 she served as a senior technical advisor in the agency’s now-embattled Tax Exempt and Government Entities Division, which is under congressional investigation for targeting conservative groups.

Flax helped to write the IRS response to the audit that uncovered the targeting, according to transcripts of interviews with IRS staff conducted by congressional investigators.

White House logs show Flax, during her time at the IRS, met with Munoz as well as health care advisors Ezekiel Emanuel (emphasis mine) and Jeanne Lambrew.

teriobrien.com...


Lerner to Flax Email...from Judicial Watch:

Memo from Lois Lerner dated May 8 2013 to Nikole Flax re Potential Prosecution of Tea Party Groups – Judicial Watch

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a reply to: IAMTAT

Apparently, the IRS knew thes Emails were 'lost' for several months.

LOL what a joke these people are.

They had their contingency plans all figured out a long time ago and they still screw it up.

I think they have broken several laws with this whole boondoggle.

No objective lawyer who has been involved in “eDiscovery” — the discovery during litigation of emails and other electronic documents — will credit the Obama administration’s claim that, by accident, years of Lois Lerner’s emails were irretrievably lost. John explained why here.

Moreover, as Bryan Preston at PJ Media reports, a former IRS IT specialist is equally skeptical. The individual in question worked on the IRS’s contract with Computer Sciences Corporation to modernize the agency’s digital record-keeping system. He finds it difficult to believe that the IRS could have lost two years’ worth of Lois Lerner’s emails.


He notes first that U.S. law, specifically 44 U.S.C. Chapter 33, requires that agencies must notify the Archivist of any records that are destroyed and the reasons for destroying them. In addition, federal regulations establish strict recoverability and redundancy requirements. Disposal of records outside these standards requires permission in writing.


Lois Lerner’s emails — a former IRS IT specialist’s take

Tell one lie and it takes 1000 more to cover it up.

The Obama Administration is a complete corrupt failure.

Leavenworth has open cells

a reply to: xuenchen

Didn't you hear....all open cells at Leavenworth are now conscripted for housing illegal aliens pouring over our borders like a flash flood in the desert.

Des

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Well, well, well...looks like Emails from SIX more IRS employees involved in the scandal, have mysterious disappeared.
SERIOUSLY????

It’s not just Lois Lerner’s e-mails. The Internal Revenue Service says it can’t produce e-mails from six more employees involved in the targeting of conservative groups, according to two Republicans investigating the scandal.

The IRS told Ways and Means chairman Dave Camp and subcommittee chairman Charles Boustany that computer crashes resulted in additional lost e-mails, including from Nikole Flax, the chief of staff to former IRS commissioner Steven Miller, who was fired in the wake of the targeting scandal.

FULL article:
www.nationalreview.com...

www.freerepublic.com...

Now we know who was CC'd on the incriminating Lerner emails.

Bull#.

If it were Goldman Sachs or Johnny Pedo down the street every key that was ever pressed on any computer would be called up and listed.

Lost email. Puhlease.

Somewhere the very first email I ever sent 20+ years ago can be recovered if somebody really wanted to read "hey, email is awesome!"

Imagine being investigated by the feds and trying to use the old "I lost the email" excuse. In five minutes they'd be knocking at your door with a hard copy in hand saying "You lost this email?"

But it's the IRS so naturally anything that would help save their own ass is not just possible but also very likely. I pressed the delete key so I guess that's the end of that. Yup. It's gone.

I have this feeling that IF I had incriminating emails on my computer, and the government was prosecuting me, I could take the hard drive out of my computer, run a belt sander across it, microwave it, run over it with my lawnmower, douse it with gasoline burn it and then piss on the entire mess.... and the government would still be able to retrieve that incriminating email and enter it as evidence at my trial.
(How's that for a run-on sentence?)
But this series of emails on government computers that haven't been damaged just disappear?

It's so blatantly obvious why the IRS is going to such extreme and far-fetched measures to try to cover this scandal up...

OBAMA AND HOLDER ORDERED THEM TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! DUH!

Also, the whole "oh my, the hard drive crashed and we lost the info" doesn't fly, either. I'm an old-school computer and network guy ever since 1981. I was even the Global IT Manager for the Coca-Cola Company for 5 years and I can tell you right now that ANY data can be recovered from ANY hard drive in ANY state with modern computer forensics.

I swear this administration and the several that preceded it make me sick to my stomach with all the lies and deceit that they spew out to the sheeple on a daily basis and they just keep right on sucking it up! SICKENING!

STOP THE PLANET, I WANT OFF BECAUSE THIS PLANET IS SOME OTHER PLANET'S HELL!

/end rant

a reply to: butcherguy

What really bothers me is they think the American people are too stupid to know any better. From what I have read so far, those missing emails must have some incriminating evidence.

It is frustrating. It appears some are simply immune for any kind of legal action.

Mail server. Look into it.
nothing is lost. More lies.

a reply to: IAMTAT


The IRS, and by extension this administration, has lost its mind.

Step 1 - Congress needs to appoint a special prosecutor.
Step 2 - Special Prosecutor needs to start issuing subpoenas.
Step 3 - US Marshal's need to execute search warrants.
Step 4 - Refer charges and prosecute. Anything that can be prosecuted under state laws should be explored as well.

I would love to know the odds of these specific Emails from the IRS SEVEN being 'accidentally' lost.
I'm assuming it would be astronomical.