Creationism Will be the End of Cristianity.

a reply to: Toadmund

it's the hand position, the horn sign. just to clarify so you don't continue to make the wrong assumptions. i think the guy characterized as the devil in the garden of eden was actually the good guy, and the guy who cursed us, is the bad guy. so in effect, most satanists who are not of the atheist variety, are worshipping the guy that cursed us who is really the bad guy but who they think is the good guy but who they don't like. it's totally backwards from what is really going on in the story. a twisted knot of a thing.

a reply to: undo

Well, let's see what kind of track record the good old Christian U.S.A. has shall we???

As we both know the Christian Majority U.S is guilty of the deliberate infection of people with deadly or debilitating diseases, exposure of people to biological and chemical weapons, human radiation experiments, injection of people with toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many of these tests were performed on children, the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment". In many of the studies, a large portion of the subjects were poor, racial minorities or prisoners.

Those are just some of the more publicly known events that have taken place. Who knows what has happened under Black Ops programs.

So as you can see we can sit around here all day giving examples from both sides but what's the point. The fact is that some people are just sick mother f**king A-holes and psychopathic monsters who will say and do anything to do what they want. Morality is not owned by any Religion or Organization, period. Either you have them or you don't. Either you follow them or you don't. You're chosen labels have little to do with it.

a reply to: undo

If I understand you correctly, I agree.
Assuming the gods were the Annunaki and judging from the OT, yahweh is Satan and the snake in the garden of eden is on humanities side.
One only has to read the OT to realize that yahweh is as evil as evil gets.
Genocide, slavery, rape, etc.

So what if religious folks are worshipping the wrong god, are they all going to burn in he'll?

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: ArtemisE

it would likely be tied to prophetical understanding. so the view of its diminishment would be seen as fulfillment, which depending on your world view, can be either a good thing or a bad thing.

the problem with having everybody or the majority all with one world view is, it becomes a tyrant, which is evidenced in history by the way that kind of ultimate control and power has been abused, repeatedly. if the whole world was atheist and somebody decided to worship flowers or something, they'd be in just as much trouble as a single atheist in a world full of fundies. i don't think it's a good idea to push atheism to the extent some think it should be pushed, for the mere fact that when it reaches its tipping point, it will eat its own, same as all the other prior examples of majority rule. i think its called mob mentality.

I don't think people push atheism as much as scoff at the ridiculousness of the creation myths. If you look at the bible without the rose colored glasses it's really not the end all be all of morality.

a reply to: ArtemisE

If you've read some of my previous posts, then you'll note that I in no way under estimate the propaganda machine. My study used to be psychology, but I've moved on to communication studies and mass comm (public relations, or propaganda). Believe me friend, I'm well aware the impact of music and television on our society. Christianity is most certainly under attack in the United States, and the history of nations around the world suggest that it will get much worse before it gets better. We are following very similar patterns. I guess we'll see. Anyway, if anything, I over estimate popularity and pop-culture. But we're fools if we can't recognize the growing authoritarian American state.

The Eastern Orthodox Christians survived the atheist communist authoritarian rule of Soviet Russia. Christians survived in China. They survive in North Korea, the middle east, and Africa. If Christians can survive and thrive in countries where they are not only mocked and called stupid, but sent to various types of prison or even executed (or simply murdered in cold-blood), Christians can survive the propaganda and mockery in the United States.

Again, we're here to stay, and no matter what one says or does, we aren't going anywhere. We continue to grow as a body.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Barcs

I disagree with this completely. Just because many folks have tortured and killed people for not believing in their particular world view, doesn't mean that an atheist controlled society would do the same

in stalin's russia, the doctors were placing bets on if the ukrainian people would stoop to cannabalizing each other as they were slowly starved to death enmasse. they were religious folks, farmers, and what not. millions of people, starved to death. stalin was quoted as saying, they need to realize there is no god but government. what he meant was, he had the power of life and death and no supernatural force existed to stop him. and for all intents and purposes, that is exactly what happened. men, women, children, infants, starved. and then, it was hidden from the world for over 40 years.

Why did they starve? You said it. Because there was no god to stop him....

a reply to: mOjOm

ah but the usa is a melting pot. we have no idea the state of world views involved in those decisions, whereas stalin and his doctors, were avowed atheists. it isn't because atheism is singularly responsible for atrocities. but rather, when one world view is predominant, such as the holy roman empire, mob mentality arises, as it did then and in stalin's russia and hitler's germany.

ignoring history, doomed to repeat it. when stalin took over, he just started making up lists of people to be killed for no reason at all other than to keep the rest of the people in abject fear. every day 100 people would be taken from their homes and killed.

a reply to: ArtemisE

that doesn't absolve him from doing it.

originally posted by: Toadmund
a reply to: undo

If I understand you correctly, I agree.
Assuming the gods were the Annunaki and judging from the OT, yahweh is Satan and the snake in the garden of eden is on humanities side.
One only has to read the OT to realize that yahweh is as evil as evil gets.
Genocide, slavery, rape, etc.

So what if religious folks are worshipping the wrong god, are they all going to burn in he'll?

I don't think the annunaki had a hell. Hell is a recent Christian creation.... I think.

originally posted by: Toadmund
a reply to: undo

If I understand you correctly, I agree.
Assuming the gods were the Annunaki and judging from the OT, yahweh is Satan and the snake in the garden of eden is on humanities side.
One only has to read the OT to realize that yahweh is as evil as evil gets.
Genocide, slavery, rape, etc.

So what if religious folks are worshipping the wrong god, are they all going to burn in he'll?

enki (ea) is yahweh : D but only part of the time in the old testament. i think he was also jesus. long story.

a reply to: ArtemisE

God works in mysterious ways.
Was gods will, judging from the OT god was probably eating popcorn watching it all happen on the big screen.

originally posted by: JohnFisher
a reply to: ArtemisE

If you've read some of my previous posts, then you'll note that I in no way under estimate the propaganda machine. My study used to be psychology, but I've moved on to communication studies and mass comm (public relations, or propaganda). Believe me friend, I'm well aware the impact of music and television on our society. Christianity is most certainly under attack in the United States, and the history of nations around the world suggest that it will get much worse before it gets better. We are following very similar patterns. I guess we'll see. Anyway, if anything, I over estimate popularity and pop-culture. But we're fools if we can't recognize the growing authoritarian American state.

The Eastern Orthodox Christians survived the atheist communist authoritarian rule of Soviet Russia. Christians survived in China. They survive in North Korea, the middle east, and Africa. If Christians can survive and thrive in countries where they are not only mocked and called stupid, but sent to various types of prison or even executed (or simply murdered in cold-blood), Christians can survive the propaganda and mockery in the United States.

Again, we're here to stay, and no matter what one says or does, we aren't going anywhere. We continue to grow as a body.

Under attack and not real are 2 vastly different things. Santa isn't real that doesn't mean there's a War in Christmas.... Unless your idea of under attack is "doesn't agree with and doesn't want it influencing my children".

a reply to: ArtemisE

lol not exactly. since i think jesus was enki redux (if you know enki's story, the hints just leap off the page that he was jesus). the problem is, i think the old testament is telling the story but in two layers.

one layer is an enlil as jehovah version and the other is enki as jehovah and these two streams occasionally cancel one or the other out, so their particular version shows up. think of it like a braided cord.

for example, enki warned the noah guy and gave him instructions on building the ark but enlil demanded the flood. enki created us and gave us knowledge (procreation) but enlil demanded our dna be nerfed. (this is where it hit me: if we were supposed to go forth, be fruitful and multiply, why did it suddenly become a sin to multiply. if we could eat from any tree, why were we suddenly barred from eating from some trees. two different stories over top of each other, occasionally differentiating). enki confused the languages at babel to stop enlil's world order. etc

a reply to: undo

I love how you always need to deflect any kind of Anti Christian information. You do it very well and with subtlety too.

Well, in this melting pot you still use only a few spices. Most of which are Judeo Christian, or Arbrahamic Religions. What you wont find in fact are many Atheists however. This country dislikes atheists pretty much more than anything else. In fact, so much so that I have no doubt that there probably some who hold high positions in office, yet would never in a million years admit it because it would cost them their elections. But I'm not going to battle back and forth with this and the reason is at the bottom of my previous post.

Morality is something you have or you don't. Not Christians or Atheists or anyone else has ownership of it or any more claim to it than anyone else, so your whole point is in error.

If any Religion could claim to be the source of Morality then we wouldn't have a history filled with Religious Wars, Murder and hatred being Justified by Religious Dogma.

If any Religion could claim to be the source of Morality then we wouldn't have a history filled with Religious Wars, Murder and hatred being Justified by Religious Dogma.

a reply to: mOjOm


agreed but it's the majority mob mentality thing that causes this, and that means it's a fact of human governments, regardless of the world view.

a reply to: undo

I agree it's a product of Humanity. I at least hope that the Majority issue isn't part of it since more often than not it's not a majority but a minority of sick A-holes in power that is causing it. Meanwhile the Majority are just the helpless victims who are not part of it because they have a sense of morality. A majority, if in fact that is part of it, would just make it worse, but the root cause would be the same. Humanity's lack of empathy.

Morality does or does not live in each individual in their own way.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Barcs

I disagree with this completely. Just because many folks have tortured and killed people for not believing in their particular world view, doesn't mean that an atheist controlled society would do the same

in stalin's russia, the doctors were placing bets on if the ukrainian people would stoop to cannabalizing each other as they were slowly starved to death enmasse. they were religious folks, farmers, and what not. millions of people, starved to death. stalin was quoted as saying, they need to realize there is no god but government. what he meant was, he had the power of life and death and no supernatural force existed to stop him. and for all intents and purposes, that is exactly what happened. men, women, children, infants, starved. and then, it was hidden from the world for over 40 years.

In general, people were pretty ruthless back then. You also had Hitler, a christian, committing massive genocide and other atrocities going on simultaneously. It reminds me of the scene from Vikings, where the Christian king threw his own soldier into a snake pit for having strong faith and then proceeded to say, "Now let's slaughter these barbarians!!". People were barbarians back then. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Stalin and Hitler taught us that. I was referring to modern times in the western world. No country should mandate any religion or belief system. Freedom of religion is the way to go. Enough folks have been killed over conflicting world views. I think most of us are beyond that at this point. If an atheist happens to become president one day (which will never happen with a 70% Christian majority), I do not see them attempting to throw democracy and freedom away.

a reply to: mOjOm

yeah i should rephrase that. none of us are actually guilty in the long run, because we've been lied to, manipulated, abused, and so on, and potentially more than half of the information, deliberately hidden from us

a reply to: Barcs

hitler was a christian who, after he got in power, switched to being a pagan. methinks the christian thing was just to get public support. i don't have any problems with paganism. in fact, i find a few places i'm in agreement with them on, but he used it, along with his view of darwinism, to murder alot of people.

This is out of control and downright ridiculous.

First of all, I would like to know WHY someone who is not even a creationist bothers to bring a topic like this forward. Who cares IF creationism could be the end of christianity...other than christians and creationists of course....Obviously an atheist SHOULD NOT CARE...in fact they would probably be more than happy....

Is that why you posted this? Because it gives you the "warm and fuzzies" inside just to think about it? Give me a break. Stop this madness.

A2D