Creationism Will be the End of Cristianity.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
Enjoy the thread y'all have successfully commandeered.

Perhaps you'll be thrilled with the sound of one hand clapping.

You might even refine your successes on this thread toward succeeding in hounding Christian perspectives out of thread after thread on ATS. The RELIGION OF SCIENTISM acolytes, priests, bishops et al will be cheering you on, undoubtedly.

G'Day.

So I take it I'm not going to get a well reasoned rebuttal to each of the points I made in my last post then? I guess the error is on me to continue to expect that from you after proving time and again that you won't do that. Oh well. C'est la vie. Still waiting on the source to your cool story by the way.

Christianity will be the end of Christianity.

originally posted by: Specimen
Christianity will be the end of Christianity.

are you a satanist? just curious.

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: Agree2Disagree

I'm talking about an organized religion. Not people who are spiritual and open to anything. Atheists are open to the concept of a god. If Jesus shows up on the whitehouse lawn every atheist will convert. We don't deny reality...

Atheists don't have a guidebook now do they? Why are you presuming a) that Jesus would have any interest in showing up on the White House lawn (America really isn't the centre of the universe you know, if he turned up anywhere one would think it would be closer to where he actually lived during his time on Earth - assuming of course he existed) and b) that you speak for all atheists? If such a thing really happened I can imagine quite a few would seriously crack.

a reply to: uncommitted

Now, I can't presume to speak for ArtemisE completely, but I'm pretty sure that I can say with little doubt that his example of Jesus showing up on the White House lawn was just an example. The location of where Jesus actually appears is really irrelevant to the point he was trying to make. If he had said "Jesus descending from heaven at Mount Sinai," it would have still gotten the same point across.

Your other point is spot on though. There are quite a few atheists who would have a tough time accepting a god if the above situation occurred. That is why I refer to myself as agnostic, not an atheist.

a reply to: ArtemisE

there is NO science in any "theory" ( guess) you have made

ahh, how do you know this? isn't archaeology a science? you realize of course, i had the option as a female, to instead focus on cooking recipes or manicures, but that was not my path. i mean i know a few recipes, and i know how to give a proper manicure, but that's irrelevant to my actual prediliction, which is to study ancient texts. i did not say i had it all figured out, but i did say, i'm studying to figure it out. why would i just sit here and vegetate if i had the option to learn something i enjoy.

anyone else enjoy studying the ancient world, its texts, languages, artforms? it's interesting and full of stuff you and i, probably don't know the first thing about yet. but if'n we don't look, we won't know.

i thought the idea of western knowledge was to actually embrace learning of all kinds.

originally posted by: JohnFisher
a reply to: ArtemisE

Oh no, that's what I was getting at in my "final thought". It doesn't matter who the loudest voice is alleged to be. Our children, when raised properly, will be the same. 2000 Years into it, and we're still growlng as a body. China is very big on technological/scientific growth, yet Christianity is growing.

If it doesn't matter who is saying what. I think it's because faith circumvents technology and science (as evident in the thread). Science and technology, if anything, only strengthens our faith.

That's why this thread is evident of the answer. We were fully aware of the young-earth-creationists, but it didn't change anything. A billion people know about the young-earth-creationists, and it doesn't change anything.

That's why, love us or hate us, we are here to stay. It's going to take an awful lot more than science, technology, and young-earth-creationist voices to destroy the Christian faith. You can disagree with our beliefs, point out how stupid you think some of us sound, and find new scientific revelations, but these things won't harm us as a body. Aliens could land on Earth today and denounce our God, and it wouldn't destroy us.

I just think you may be underestimating the power and popularity of pop culture. Everytime the daily show or Saturday night live mentions Christianity, it'll be in reference to some yahoo like ken hamm. Eveytime there's a Christian in the news about Christianity is because they refused to get there child healthcare. Not in some conspiracy. Just because of our sensationalized media and society.

Honestly I'm only personally familiar with American society. So Chinese culture could be waaaayyyyy different.

However, I think just like all other religions. Once less then half the society believes. There's a cascading effect. With the drop down to irrelevancy.

a reply to: ArtemisE

regardless of tipping points or pop culture, whether other people believe something or not, doesn't define each person as an individual. when you have enough personal understanding to realize this, it doesn't matter if no one else agrees, as long as that lack of agreement doesn't get you executed for being different. different is not bad. you should know this by now.

Human and Chimp Genes May Have Split 13 Million Years Ago
www.livescience.com...

The ancestors of humans and chimpanzees may have begun genetically diverging from one another 13 million years ago, more than twice as long ago as had been widely thought, shedding new light on the process of human evolution, researchers say.

a reply to: undo

I'm not saying it is. See it's about a different view completely. Christianity isn't the center if an atheist/agnostics life. So we wouldn't care one way or the other for it's extinction. However a devout Christian would have a very intense view of it's flourishing or diminishing.

originally posted by: undo
anyone else enjoy studying the ancient world, its texts, languages, artforms? it's interesting and full of stuff you and i, probably don't know the first thing about yet. but if'n we don't look, we won't know.

i thought the idea of western knowledge was to actually embrace learning of all kinds.

I just enjoy studying history in any of its forms. You can learn much about the present and even the future by studying the past.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Human and Chimp Genes May Have Split 13 Million Years Ago
www.livescience.com...

The ancestors of humans and chimpanzees may have begun genetically diverging from one another 13 million years ago, more than twice as long ago as had been widely thought, shedding new light on the process of human evolution, researchers say.

I don't know.... I'm skeptical......prob just the devil trying to confuse us.

a reply to: ArtemisE

it would likely be tied to prophetical understanding. so the view of its diminishment would be seen as fulfillment, which depending on your world view, can be either a good thing or a bad thing.

the problem with having everybody or the majority all with one world view is, it becomes a tyrant, which is evidenced in history by the way that kind of ultimate control and power has been abused, repeatedly. if the whole world was atheist and somebody decided to worship flowers or something, they'd be in just as much trouble as a single atheist in a world full of fundies. i don't think it's a good idea to push atheism to the extent some think it should be pushed, for the mere fact that when it reaches its tipping point, it will eat its own, same as all the other prior examples of majority rule. i think its called mob mentality.

a reply to: undo

The idea shouldn't ever be about pushing your beliefs onto someone else. I don't care what you believe, Christian, Muslim, atheist, pagan, what have you. The idea is to get the person to think critically about their beliefs and accept that what they believe might not be true without ultimate truth. This requires the person to be honest with the holes in their beliefs while also recognizing the holes in someone else's beliefs. It requires ample use of evidence and not to let biased information sway your opinion. It ultimately requires someone to be able to admit that they are wrong even if they are deeply held beliefs. All of these things are extremely hard to accomplish (especially the admitting when you are wrong part), so most people just let others tell them what to believe and in the end we get the situation you just described.

Many people are so opposed to the idea of critical thinking that they view any attempt to get them to use it as a personal attack or something along those lines.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: ArtemisE
the problem with having everybody or the majority all with one world view is, it becomes a tyrant, which is evidenced in history by the way that kind of ultimate control and power has been abused, repeatedly. if the whole world was atheist and somebody decided to worship flowers or something, they'd be in just as much trouble as a single atheist in a world full of fundies. i don't think it's a good idea to push atheism to the extent some think it should be pushed, for the mere fact that when it reaches its tipping point, it will eat its own, same as all the other prior examples of majority rule. i think its called mob mentality.

I disagree with this completely. Just because many folks have tortured and killed people for not believing in their particular world view, doesn't mean that an atheist controlled society would do the same. I've never seen anyone try to push "atheism" today in that sense, that it strictly wants to push laws relating to no god existing or to push out people from having their own beliefs. That doesn't even make sense. I've only seen atheists have to constantly defend themselves against the religious majority while media outlets portray them as heathens or devil worshipers and almost gasps as how somebody possibly doesn't believe in god. In the southern US, that is common, even if you are in a bar. If you tell somebody you don't believe in Jesus, they act shocked, like it's the only thing to believe. If atheists weren't slandered like this, they wouldn't be as defensive, and wouldn't insult creationists beliefs. I can't speak for everywhere, but I live in a America, where freedom of religion is one of the prime concepts the country was founded on. Everybody is allowed to believe whatever they'd like provided it does not harm other people. I do not see this changing, even if it was dominated by atheists.

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Specimen
Christianity will be the end of Christianity.

are you a satanist? just curious.

Kind of a dumb question; and you know it.

Assuming to knock religion (christianity) must mean one belongs to another religion, namely devil worship.

Facepalming hard here.

a reply to: Barcs

I disagree with this completely. Just because many folks have tortured and killed people for not believing in their particular world view, doesn't mean that an atheist controlled society would do the same

in stalin's russia, the doctors were placing bets on if the ukrainian people would stoop to cannabalizing each other as they were slowly starved to death enmasse. they were religious folks, farmers, and what not. millions of people, starved to death. stalin was quoted as saying, they need to realize there is no god but government. what he meant was, he had the power of life and death and no supernatural force existed to stop him. and for all intents and purposes, that is exactly what happened. men, women, children, infants, starved. and then, it was hidden from the world for over 40 years.

originally posted by: Toadmund

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Specimen
Christianity will be the end of Christianity.

are you a satanist? just curious.

Kind of a dumb question; and you know it.

Assuming to knock religion (christkanity) must mean one belongs to another religion, namely devil worship.

Facepalming hard here.

no it was his choice of avatar that had me curious. and my view of satan is not the typical christian view.

a reply to: undo
Looks like Spidey to me.
Comic-al!