Consuming fats do NOT make you fat, Saturated fats are good for you

a reply to: an0nThinker

Neither dietary carbs nor sugar are essential.

Your body can synthesize glucose out of fat and protein.

No diet is zero carb but again dietary carbohydrates are in no way essential nutrients.

Iron is an essential nutrient. Dietary sugar is not. Neither is dietary carbohydrates.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Saying fat makes you fat is like saying eating pickles will pickle my body.

Gherkin or dill?

In a recent BBC documentary they took a set of identical twins and fed one a high sugar diet and the other a high fat diet for an entire month.

BOTH of them lost weight!

What they discovered is that foods that have equal measure of fat and sugar are the food that make you put on weight. One of the worst culprits is ice cream as its almost 50/50 fat and sugar.

Here is the documentary so see for yourself :
www.dailymotion.com...

I grew up with the idea that sweets were poisonous. My grandmother had diabetes. When I was a young child I saw her injecting insulin. I asked her "Why do you stick needles in yourself?" She told me it was because she ate too many sweets.

The only sweets I eat are fruits and berries. I don't eat a lot of grain products. I eat as much fat as I please. Meat, fruit and vegetables account for the majority of my diet, no skimping on the butter and olive oil. I am 6 foot tall and weigh 170 lbs. I am just over 40 years old, and still get asked for i.d. when I buy beer. Never had any medical issues.

Food is fuel, if you do not use the fuel you have it causes the tank to expand. I eat whatever I want whenever I want and I don't get overweight because I use the fuel I have before I refill the tank. I live an active life so the fuel I consume gets used. Don't over eat, and don't use diet products like diet soda they are bad for your metabolism.

a reply to: an0nThinker

yes! I eat them all the time and if you would see me you would.....well I am married

a reply to: an0nThinker

There is so much falsity in this thread that it should be moved to the HOAX forum. Snakeoil salesmen re-packaging the famously-disastrous Atkins diet under its new Paleo title, do not a healthy diet make.

Fruits and vegetables are healthy for you. They are almost entirely made of carbohydrates, nutrients, and fiber. Going on a "low-carb" diet is inherently one which keeps fruits and vegetables to a minimum. That is possibly the worst thing you can do for your body in the long run. Ketogenic diets are absolutely awful for you, because the chemical process of burning fat for energy causes tremendous amounts of toxic byproducts. It works, energetically speaking, but it's like using regular-grade gasoline in a Ferrari.

Check out this video on low-carb diets and coronary blood blow:



Cheers =)

a reply to: Son of Will

Who says anything about a low carb diet? Neither am I telling people to get on a paleo or a revised Atkins diet. I completely agree and fruits and vegetables are good for you. We are talking about excess calories from refined sugar that are bad. It is you who are reading my thread completely wrong. I am all for getting enough calories and carbs. Carbs are not equal to sugar. All I am saying is an artificially low fat diet does more harm that good because those calories get replaced by sugar.

Sadly, the obsession in society seems first with "foods that contain fat" than actually looking at the REAL problem. Our bodies are built to deal with moderate amounts of fats, sugar etc...but they're not built to basically cease all exercise/moving. Calories need to be burned. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

I agree with that. It's one of the big reasons why we see so many obese and overweight teenagers today. They spend hours of the day just sitting and playing video games, surfing the internet and texting friends. In my day, we didn't have video games, so we played outdoors from the time school let out until the street lights came on. I never had to watch how much I ate until I hit my 30's. Instead of Michelle Obama changing school lunches, she should be pushing for kids to get involved in organized sports starting at the age of five!

originally posted by: an0nThinker
a reply to: Son of Will



Who says anything about a low carb diet? Neither am I telling people to get on a paleo or a revised Atkins diet. I completely agree and fruits and vegetables are good for you. We are talking about excess calories from refined sugar that are bad. It is you who are reading my thread completely wrong. I am all for getting enough calories and carbs. Carbs are not equal to sugar. All I am saying is an artificially low fat diet does more harm that good because those calories get replaced by sugar.

If that is all you are saying then why didn't you make that clear in your opening post? Sounds like you are back-tracking now.

a reply to: Shema

This is ridiculous. I made a thread saying fats and saturated fats aren't bad for you. You get that I am telling people to get on a low carb diet. Where is the back track?
Go to the grocery store and look at how many items have a fat free version. Usually those are loaded with excess sugar.

Read this study, low dietary fat causes low testosterone.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Here is another one-

HDL cholesterol after the saturated diet was 3.5% higher than after the oleic diet.

ajcn.nutrition.org...

Clearly, diets high in either saturated fats or refined carbohydrates are not suitable for IHD prevention. However, refined carbohydrates are likely to cause even greater metabolic damage than saturated fat in a predominantly sedentary and overweight population. Although intake of saturated fat should remain at a relatively low amount and partially hydrogenated fats should be eliminated, a singular focus on reduction of total and saturated fat can be counterproductive because dietary fat is typically replaced by refined carbohydrate, as has been seen over the past several decades. In this era of widespread obesity and insulin resistance, the time has come to shift the focus of the diet-heart paradigm away from restricted fat intake and toward reduced consumption of refined carbohydrates.

ajcn.nutrition.org...

a reply to: burdman30ott6

A carbohydrate is a large biological molecule, or macromolecule, consisting of carbon (C), hydrogen (H), and oxygen (O) atoms, usually with a hydrogen

xygen atom ratio of 2:1 (as in water); in other words, with the empirical formula Cm(H2O)n (where m could be different from n).[1] Some exceptions exist; for example, deoxyribose, a sugar component of DNA,[2] has the empirical formula C5H10O4.[3] Carbohydrates are technically hydrates of carbon;[4] structurally it is more accurate to view them as polyhydroxy aldehydes and ketones.[5]


The term is most common in biochemistry, where it is a synonym of saccharide. The carbohydrates (saccharides) are divided into four chemical groups: monosaccharides, disaccharides, oligosaccharides, and polysaccharides. In general, the monosaccharides and disaccharides, which are smaller (lower molecular weight) carbohydrates, are commonly referred to as sugars.[6] The word saccharide comes from the Greek word σάκχαρον (sákkharon), meaning "sugar."

a reply to: an0nThinker

Animal fats are rich in vitamin K2 also, a vitamin that can make calcium go where it is supposed to instead of depositing it in the arteries. Vitamin K1 consumption does not seem to do that well. The problem is that in order to be adequate levels of K2 in beef fats, including butter, it cannot be fed a diet full of grains. Also the pastures and soil nutrients used to grow grassfed beef effect the amount of K2 the butter and fat contains.

The free range chicken egg is also a good source of K2. In nutrition recognized by our FDA, they do not distinguish this yet the USDA has done testing on this. K2 is a fat soluble vitamin found in animal fats.

Now, we have two systems for energy, the burning of fats or sugars. People have been avoiding fats for years, they would have been better off lowering the intake of sugars and carbs. We will consume one or the other to make energy. Proteins contain some of each but they contain carbs which can stop us from burning fat stores just like carbs and sugars do. But we do need glycogen stores in the liver, carbs supply that. It is also not that easy for most people to switch over from carb metabolism to utilizing fat. It is more easily transitioned during sleep. Also, some foods block the transition, but I am not certain which these are yet. I have read about them but they always seem to have side effects that can cause some problems. When I get these all worked out, I will be able to say more.

a reply to: an0nThinker

i still feel the homogenization leads to arterial sclerosis or something like that. The fat molecules scar the arteries, which makes stuff stick and clog?

Plus, fat is what? stored nutrients right. How can eating stored nutrients be bad?

just like cholesterol, it has been shown that high levels are not unhealthy. Some people with low levels have problems when people off the charts are just fine.

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: an0nThinker

Also the pastures and soil nutrients used to grow grassfed beef effect the amount of K2 the butter and fat contains.

People have been avoiding fats for years, they would have been better off lowering the intake of sugars and carbs. We will consume one or the other to make energy. Proteins contain some of each but they contain carbs which can stop us from burning fat stores just like carbs and sugars do.

grassfed beef is much better as that is what cows are supposed to eat. cornfed is not so good as it has high sugar content.

Candida is a major problem, it is like a disease super highway. carbs and sugar feed it. a little time spent on learning about candida is good time spent.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Pretty much. Fat doesn't make you fat. Calories make you fat. Calories in, and calories out. If you burn more calories than you consume, you will loose weight.

Saying fat makes you fat is like saying eating pickles will pickle my body.

Calories in vs out is nowhere near as simple as that, though. The method we use for calculating calories is nothing like the way our bodies operate and extract energy from food. Even if you calculated the actual calories a given food would provide to a given person, that number only applies to that person.

Different people extract different amounts of energy from different foods, and different people's bodies use, store, and burn that energy in different ways. It's literally impossible to assign a generic numerical value that represents how much food turns into how much body mass. It doesn't exist, and perpetuating the idea that it does it hurting everybody.

And ignoring food's impact on our minds, which can strongly impact the quantity, type, and frequency of food desired, cuts us off even further from getting close to helping people.

I'm not directing this at you by any means, just a comment on the idea in general.

a reply to: HanzHenry
There is something to be said for messing around with fats. Homogenization probably does cause some heart problems(not sure if the fat gets into your blood). Majority of fat storage in our bodies come from the fructose cycle. This happens where you intake excess sugar(fruits are okay because of fiber)

a reply to: HanzHenry

Almost all of the beef we eat is grassfed beef. We use commercial butter though, the organic grass fed butter is way higher in price. I know from observation that consuming fats doesn't make you fat, most of the people I know who eat high meat fat foods are skinny. Metabolism types have a bit to do with this though.

The avoid fats was just a fad capitalized on by certain companies. There was very little broad spectrum testing to verify that fats were not good for you.

a reply to: rickymouse
Its called Ketosis. Bodybuilders use it to lose fat. Here is an article on it-
www.bodybuilding.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
Ps- I am not saying people go into ketosis to lose weight. Suggesting that fats are essential to humans.
I also supplement with k2 directly.

So where does wheat, And flour Land in the health and wellness spectrum?

I'm currently under the impression that wheat and flour are best to be avoided, and one should stick to the ancient grains such as quinoa and amaranth.

I love me some quinoa!

My personal diet that changed my life goes as follows; Avoid commercial stuff as much as possible. low fat/diet=poison GMO=poison! Artificial sweeteners=Poison! Mainstream anything? You guessed it, freakin poison my friends.

Fruits and veggies? Go crazy! Animal flesh and eggs? Great in moderation so long as the animals were grass fed and not pumped full of god knows what.........and you thank them......remember, personal diet and beliefs here.