Sukhoi T-50 begins weapons integration

On May 20th, a pair of Sukhoi T-50s departed on a test flight. Aircraft 053 and 054, both sporting the original paint scheme, and not the new camouflage, were also carrying R-73 short range missiles, R-77 medium range missiles, and KH-31 antiship missiles. It was the first flight carrying external weapons, and began a new phase of the test program. There are currently 5 aircraft in the program.

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Pretty nice looking aircraft!!!

Id be very interested to see some more stats when available, the wiki (questionable accuracy) states it does have super cruise - so should make an interesting stat battle with the US F-35

a reply to: Biigs

It has a limited supercruise ability right now. They're in the process of developing an entirely new engine for it that will be much more efficient, athough still not as good as the F119 used in the F-22. That's one area that Russia and China have lagged far behind on.

Well they seem to be playing catchup fairly well in a lot of areas....
The" plan "must be to even out the weapons capabilities as much as possible so that the opponents in the next war make a good job of weakening each other for the NWO.....
It seems so utterly stupid to allow our secrets to be so blatantly stolen and copied by all and sundry....
That's is what it looks like to me sometimes....

It amazes me how Russia denounced and beat down the effectiveness of stealth then goes and builds one

The PAK-FA is a great plane but lacks full stealth those engines will light up in IR light a bonfire in the Arctic the T-50 is highly agile but is it really going to make it past BVR to merge unscathed?

Doubt it

originally posted by: Biigs
Pretty nice looking aircraft!!!

Id be very interested to see some more stats when available, the wiki (questionable accuracy) states it does have super cruise - so should make an interesting stat battle with the US F-35

It would annihilate the F-35 combat turkey

The F-35 is going to need baby sitting where ever it goes

It doesn't fair well at all against the SUs

a reply to: stirling

Don't sweat it. The world gets crap we no longer need to develop and our enemies waste time and money developing weapon systems to counter our crap.

We could theoretically stop all R&D and just sit back. The problem is if we release our top shelf stuff everyone will eventually figure out its capabilities as well as target us out of natural fear.

Also we would lose the entire weapons industry we took years to develop out of there being no need to develop jets and tanks when we already have something much better.

Stealth, armour, ICBMS all ancient tech from our POV. We just need more time to develop the next phase after what we already have up our sleeve.

Space militarization is already true. Military Satellites that do more than take pictures are just being developed by our enemies. We have more than satellites in space.....we don't need NASA anymore. We don't need a shuttle program, or any other obsolete tech.

Let China and Russia waste trillions and years on jets and tanks.


EDIT TO ADD:
There were talks of staging a fake alien invasion for Christs sake!

Russia can develop stuff but building it any numbers with decent quality control is the problem.

You don't think the F-35s would be flying around without a few raptors in the area do you? Lol

originally posted by: boomer135
You don't think the F-35s would be flying around without a few raptors in the area do you? Lol

Not all the time no.. Not every country that has purchased the F-35 has raptors, bit most there enemies have SU's

a reply to: boomer135

If some of these weapons that are in development come out, even an F-22 won't have a huge advantage anymore.

The Russians are forming a new tactical doctrine that's going to cause F-35 drivers a sever case of 'fukkit wheres my Growler'.

The Russians know the vulnerability of the F-35 very well, and we will see within the next two years an influx of radars that do don't point outwards, but across the borders.

This will be mirrored by combat tactics for their aircraft that will hunt in wolf packs and ripple fire missiles that are guided in by data links to other ground and air assets that are outside the X-band efficient frontal arc of the F-35.

The F-22 and B-2b are the only publicly known airframes that are in any way survivable against this upcoming threat.

a reply to: Astr0

And I would bet that it won't be long before they're developing systems that would make them less than survivable. It's not like we have a ton of them around to begin with.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Astr0

And I would bet that it won't be long before they're developing systems that would make them less than survivable. It's not like we have a ton of them around to begin with.

A dual AESA and IR seeker head - the AESA is a donut ring around the centre IR seeker. The data link then can be cued by a bogie with eyes on if both get jammed.

a reply to: Astr0

And when you have a total of 200 platforms combined, it won't take long for attrition to wear them down.

originally posted by: Astr0

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Astr0

And I would bet that it won't be long before they're developing systems that would make them less than survivable. It's not like we have a ton of them around to begin with.

A dual AESA and IR seeker head - the AESA is a donut ring around the centre IR seeker. The data link then can be cued by a bogie with eyes on if both get jammed.

28 hours and 3 minutes to be precise at 100% war fighting capability stock of the west being thrown against a sudden surge of Russian and Chinese troops into the Pacific arena and Europe at the same time.

Tonka, Typhoon, Rafale, all gone inside the 11 hour mark. All of them.

a reply to: Astr0

Only a little faster than I figured. I figured between 30 and 36 hours.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Astr0

Only a little faster than I figured. I figured between 30 and 36 hours.

uh huh.

Think that money ol uncle Obama just found for Europe and sudden urge to keep Europe as a centre piece of US Forces was an accident? lol.

a reply to: Astr0

The F-22 is good, but sooner or later it's going to get caught both outnumbered and detected. Once it's in WVR, then the energy bleed, and slow recovery hurts it. And even if all 180 are in theater, they're not all going to be flying at the same time, in the same place, so they'll get whittled down quick.

6th gens are supposedly quite far along in development F/A-XX let's hope they're effective enough to tip the scale again