Five of the Most Dangerous Taliban Commanders in U.S. Custody Exchanged for American Captive

originally posted by: kauskau

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
This should never have been done.

Obama seems to be on the side of al-Qaeda since he has been in office... this is just further proof of that.

are you serious?

Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and issues aid and comfort, supporting the enemy like a duck...

You do the math on that.

To put a finer point on it, OB is one of those "evil Muslims" everyone likes to rail about "not speaking up" against extremism, and here she is wondering WHY Obama has a history of supporting extremist Muslims, i.e. the wahabbis and AQ.

Things that make you go "hmmmm..."

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Okay. On the surface it looks like a very stupid move.

But the administration can't be that dumb.

Really. I mean they can't be that stupid.

There has to be something we're not seeing.

a reply to: buster2010

Aye Buster, aye!

Yet, instead of the prescribed punishment, this gent gets a promotion, and whatever other accolades come his way that they can dream up.

This is not my planet any more. It's been turned upside down. There has been a pole shift, and people seem not to be noticing.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Okay. On the surface it looks like a very stupid move.

But the administration can't be that dumb.

Really. I mean they can't be that stupid.

There has to be something we're not seeing.

No, beezzer, some of us ARE seeing it - and not much liking it.

My missus just said it's one of those things where people are staring at it, saying to themselves "I can't be seeing this... I CAN'T be seeing this..." and refusing to see what is directly in front of their faces until there are no other options and they have to give in to the obvious.

We've been sold out.

The CiC has gone over to the other side, and we've been infiltrated.

a reply to: beezzer

There was nothing stupid about it. They all are well informed, and had years to consider all options. It was an informed decision....

But they just released some really bad guys.

This close to the end of the Obama administration, it will probably be the next administration's problem.

By then it will all go to # anyway... I suppose a major attack followed by an Afghanistan war part 2 could be thrown in as a real possibility.

These guys will be hellbent on revenge... You can bet everything on that, it will take some time, and effort to evade surveillance... Then?

No prime targets will be safe.

a reply to: beezzer

There's no way this is just a random act to bring one guy home. I agree with you 100%. Is it possible these five men could be part of something larger? Maybe this is some grand plan in it's beginning stages to help push some future agenda? Something doesn't seem right about this situation.

I get swapping prisoner for prisoner, but releasing not just one, but FIVE of the "most dangerous"? Yeah right.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Wrabbit2000

I'm not saying that it was a good trade, but *sigh* things like this have happened for a long time. And as idiotic as Obama is, this can't be thrown at his feet.

Bad trades have happened under every administration.

bad trades? This was nothing but a bad trade in your opinion?

This man walked off in the middle of a war in order to join forces with the enemy and we gave him a promotion (not just once but twice for that) and handed over 5 top prisoners to boot?

Hell.... I vote that guy could have stayed there for all I care... its what he wanted... just because it wasn't cracked up to be what he thought isn't my problem...

But he did a bang up job for Al-Qaeda... so... he did join forces with them and do them a great service as he got them 5 of their top guys back! They will be singing songs about him for many years to come!

Bad trade my ass..... this is much more #ed than just a bad trade...

a reply to: Nyiah

Yep... totally agree!

Man needs impeached before he does us any more irreparable harm!

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: eriktheawful

Still reading the thread, but if this hasn't been mentioned, I feel it should be:

Now would be the time to start contacting & pressuring your senator to impeach. No, not a damned petition, cram their inboxes, voicemails, mailboxes full of demands to do it. Be relentless. If the senate wants to keep their jobs, they'll listen. If they don't listen, you know who to vote out.

Now, back to reading this thread.

Well there will be a problem with it. There is already a problem.

Impeachment is simply the process to determine if the president should be removed from office or not. Normally if the president's actions are considered criminal (IE Nixon, Clinton), then by all means, impeachment should happen.

However, the problem with impeaching Obama is: race.

That is exactly what will happen. People will play the race card and be screaming about it, saying that is the real reason. That people can't stand the thought of the president being black.

People have suggested he be impeached for all sorts of things, and now this. But think about it.

He had a US citizen executed via drone, with no due process at all.

That's murder. Literally murder. Doesn't matter if the person was guilty or not, due process to determine that guilt was not followed as it was suppose to.

If you or I were to walk down where a suspect that is on video, clear as day, committing murder, and we walked up to him before he was arrested, indicted, and had a trial, and instead, we walk up behind him with a gun and blow his brains out......guess what is going to happen to us?

That's right, we'll be arrested, and we will be charged with killing that person.

However, take a look: where is Obama now? He is still sitting in the White House, even though technically he authorized a US citizen to be executed without any due process at all.

Yet there was no impeachment then.

I don't think it will happen with Obama. Too many people know that the race card will get played and it will be a circus instead.

originally posted by: DustbowlDebutante

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: DustbowlDebutante

The story is legit, its in the washington post as well... this really happened. Washington Post Link

Thank you for that. I read the WP article and it states even further that he will not face repercussions for leaving his post AND he will be promoted next month!

Does anyone know if we have ever went to such lengths for an American soldier before?

If this is the first time we have done this ( sacrificed six other soldiers' lives, let five big-name terrorists free, negotiated with terrorists, not charging him with desertion, etc...) either I have to think that this guy is someone "special" or the US Gov thinks he has valuable info on the terrorists due to his time spent with them.

I can't understand why this one guy, whose kidnapping details are somewhat self-incriminatory, would be so special as to warrant all of these exceptional actions by the government. High strangeness for sure.

ETA: what makes us think we can trust Qatar? They let the Taliban open up offices in their country and operate openly like a legitimate business (if not as a political party) in Qatar. And now we have to trust that Qatar will keep the five released Taliban guys within their borders and that they can completely guarantee that these guys will not engage in further terrorist activities?? In a country that let's the Taliban operate openly in the public with offices and everything??? Okaaaay.....

ETA: all of the info about Qatar was in the WP article. They had to # the offices down after a political outcry, but the Qatari government must have been okay with it to have let it happen initially.

Their staying in Qatar?? This is where the 2022 World Cup is being held?? And the office is accused of bribing FIFA reps

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: DustbowlDebutante

I agree. This soldier must be "someone" or know "something."

This deserter more than likely knows nothing. If you have read up on this guy he walked off his post to look for the Taliban because he wanted to "walk the world". We lost several like six men while looking for this guy. They even gave this guy a parting gift for goodness sake how many other prisoners have they done this for? He won't be prosecuted like he should be he will be paraded around as another "hero" for the war on terror when he should be thrown into a military prison and the key thrown away.

If what you say is true and I really do not doubt it these days then Obama definitely needs to be arrested. He has pulled so much crap that anyone in the military who pays attention to him has to be seriously thinking on how to take him out. Obama is worse than all of them combined. Carter just did not know and was to much of a nice peace nick but this guy has the blatant intention of making a mockery of the U.S. and seeing how fast he can ruin us without getting killed by his own secret service. The Presidents personal mercs, not the real Secret Service that probably wants him gone just as bad. They are the only thing keeping him alive.

I am really wondering why the Army would even try so hard to get him back, after he walked out then they should have said tough crap unless he could jeopardize very important things.

a reply to: eriktheawful

I think the problem with impeachment is more than that, too. Bill Clinton was impeached. A distinction I think is lost sometimes but really shouldn't be. it's a very critical one, IMO. I imagine you know it for the history but for those that don't..

Impeachment is the arraignment/grand jury stage. That's all. The House of Representatives impeaches. That..maybe I could see today. meh... I dunno...

That simply moves it to the trial phase in the Senate. Where Clinton was not removed from Office, of course.

(sarc)Obama...losing a trial in the Senate? I mean, it's not like they're political in there or anything. I'm sure it would be a straight and fair trial by the facts alone.. (/sarc)

Therein lay the problem...

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: eriktheawful

I think the problem with impeachment is more than that, too. Bill Clinton was impeached. A distinction I think is lost sometimes but really shouldn't be. it's a very critical one, IMO. I imagine you know it for the history but for those that don't..

Impeachment is the arraignment/grand jury stage. That's all. The House of Representatives impeaches. That..maybe I could see today. meh... I dunno...

That simply moves it to the trial phase in the Senate. Where Clinton was not removed from Office, of course.

(sarc)Obama...losing a trial in the Senate? I mean, it's not like they're political in there or anything. I'm sure it would be a straight and fair trial by the facts alone.. (/sarc)

Therein lay the problem...

:saying this in a very dry voice:

I had no doubt that Clinton would be acquitted of both Charges (Perjury and Obstruction of Justice).

Lying under oath (and lying in general), and hiding things from others is something that politicians do.

Had they found him guilty......that would have opened the door up for ALL of them (chuckling) to end up under charges.......

Lying and covering up is what politicians do. Just like the rest of us breath.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Yeah.... I didn't think there had been much chance back then either. I don't think anyone quite foresaw the extreme polarization which would set in to become the new norm that followed though. I think that really was the turning point for some of the extreme 'all or nothing' handling of partisan politics too.

To the left, it was 'How dare you take President Clinton through all THAT over so little!'.

They had a point, too ... but whoa.. No one, IMO, could have guessed how it would have turned out from there and onto what we have now though.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

So if we cannot impeach how the hell do we remove the ## from office?

Many of them need gone... impeached or otherwise, definitely fired before they are allowed one more # up!

So how.... how how how how how do we go about this?

a reply to: Eryiedes

Why did this man walk off the base..........He is CIA and was trying to make deals under the table for someone. After he was taken hostage they really wanted to get him back because of what he knows.



This is not just some guy who walked off a base.......And you never deal like this because it will lead to more and more. I could be wrong and we will never know the truth.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: eriktheawful

Yeah.... I didn't think there had been much chance back then either. I don't think anyone quite foresaw the extreme polarization which would set in to become the new norm that followed though. I think that really was the turning point for some of the extreme 'all or nothing' handling of partisan politics too.

To the left, it was 'How dare you take President Clinton through all THAT over so little!'.

They had a point, too ... but whoa.. No one, IMO, could have guessed how it would have turned out from there and onto what we have now though.

Well I have to admit, after Ol' Bill gave us this quote:

"When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again." –Bill Clinton

I thought he'd never top that one......

But I was wrong.......so very wrong.

During his grand jury testimony, he gave us several:

"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton

"It depends on how you define alone…" –Bill Clinton

"There were a lot of times when we were alone, but I never really thought we were." –Bill Clinton

Of course we've had some doosys by other presidents too:

"For seven and a half years I've worked alongside President Reagan. We've had triumphs. Made some mistakes. We've had some sex...uh...setbacks." --President George H.W. Bush

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." --President George W. Bush

a reply to: Eryiedes 1 us soldier= 5 towleebans
Just when you all started thinking all humans were eaqul then the gov. goes and sets the rate of ineaquality for us.

a reply to: OpinionatedB

You wait until the end of his final term, the damage is already done. That is all you can do period... End of story.

Have pity on the next president, no matter who he or she is, or what party they come from... They're going to be walking into a world of # no one can yet possibly imagine....

IMO

a reply to: Thefarmer

Indeed, the Washington post article says that not only will the five of them be staying in Qatar, but also that all of the negotiations regarding this prisoner swap were performed by Qatari intermediaries.

Qatar is smack dab in the middle of this. Up to their collective neck in it.

And never mind there's still a huge airliner unaccounted for...