What is evolution, not what some think

a reply to: Barcs

On the plus side, when these children invariably find out that borntowatch taught them a load of lies about evolution they'll figure out the rest.

originally posted by: borntowatch

I once believed in evolution, though blacks were less evolved than whites and Asians were....well you know, what I was taught at school.

No, we don't know. What did you think of Asians??? I'm dying to know.

Was all the racist stuff taught to you as part of evolution too???

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: borntowatch

I once believed in evolution, though blacks were less evolved than whites and Asians were....well you know, what I was taught at school.

No, we don't know. What did you think of Asians??? I'm dying to know.

Was all the racist stuff taught to you as part of evolution too???

I thought Asians were less than humans, kinda like Asians thought they were more evolved than white folk,
Kinda how the british thought Irish people were less evolved or the Germans though Jews were less evolved, you know, what evolution can be read to teach.

Was it taught to me at school, of course not, but it wasnt not taught to me at school and plenty of people thought different skin colors meant different stages of the evolutionary scale.
I know some that still do


Still not seeing any evidence, just a lot of bitter ranting

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: Barcs

On the plus side, when these children invariably find out that borntowatch taught them a load of lies about evolution they'll figure out the rest.

Funny, I found the plus side and bailed out on evolution, I got over my brainwashing.

Why are you so terrified that creation is taught.
If its so invalid surely science will prove evolution correct.....eventually, dont fear, or are you afraid people expect evidence and will push it and like this thread none will be provided, just a bucket catching dripping water will prove evolution to some, children?

originally posted by: Barcs
Wow. I feel bad for those children. This is one of the biggest problems plaguing our society today. If you want to believe your faith that's fine with me, but leave science out of it. The fact that you would preach lies and bull# like that to innocent children just because you blindly believe ancient myths as absolute infallible truth while denying science without even addressing evidence, makes you a despicable human being, in my eyes. That's the type of crap that leads to folks suicide bombing people that don't agree with their religion. Let the kids examine the evidence for themselves and figure it out, instead of force feeding them lies and rhetoric. You might also want to tell them that you know absolutely nothing about science, and that you have a personal vendetta against it and hate it with a passion. You should refer the children to this thread, so they know how downright ignorant you come off as and hopefully they won't grow up spewing the same ignorance as you.

Wow I feel bad because you cant substantiate anything you believe with any valid evidence and you are so scared of people who dont agree with you.
If I let the kids examine your bitter rantings, lack of valid evidence, I would be happy to let them make up their own mind.

Ignorance is not knowing the truth, I asked for the truth and I got water dripping in buckets and bacteria evolving into bacteria.

Thats pathetic and well you know, just not enough.

originally posted by: borntowatch
I thought Asians were less than humans, kinda like Asians thought they were more evolved than white folk,
Kinda how the british thought Irish people were less evolved or the Germans though Jews were less evolved, you know, what evolution can be read to teach.

Just when I thought the ignorance couldn't get any worse. Evolution doesn't teach anything like that. No surprise, however that you are racist, as well as being a liar.

Was it taught to me at school, of course not, but it wasnt not taught to me at school and plenty of people thought different skin colors meant different stages of the evolutionary scale.
I know some that still do

Racism has absolutely nothing to do with evolution. Since all humans share a common ancestor, they are equally "evolved". But by all means, keep that ignorance coming. At least it gives folks something to laugh about during lunch break.

Wow I feel bad because you cant substantiate anything you believe with any valid evidence and you are so scared of people who dont agree with you.

Blatant lie. Keep breaking those commandments you hold so dear.

Ignorance is not knowing the truth, I asked for the truth and I got water dripping in buckets and bacteria evolving into bacteria.

Another lie. The evidence has been posted numerous times and you ignored it all. Not my fault that you refuse to read any links or evidence behind evolution. Doesn't it get old lying over and over and over again? I guess dishonesty is the best policy. It's the only hope you have to sell your already dying religion. Have fun with that.

originally posted by: borntowatch
I teach Sunday School yay me and I teach that the TOE is a lie of the devil and that God created the world and all in 7 days and the earth is only thousands of years old.

This is the biggest problem with the church.

Any unqualified, uneducated moron can spoon-feed their idiotic opinion to impressionable children and those children take it as truth because they heard it in church.

You're even worse than I thought. What you do is called indoctrination and brainwashing... it's the worst human behavior in history.

The irony is, I'm sure you use threads like this as examples in your classes while it's your own glaring ignorance and lack of education that are responsible for your denial of scientific evidence.

Thankfully, any of those children who get a proper education will see you for the liar that you are.

originally posted by: borntowatch
Was it taught to me at school, of course not, but it wasnt not taught to me at school and plenty of people thought different skin colors meant different stages of the evolutionary scale.
I know some that still do.

Modern humans had already evolved into the species we have today prior to developing differences in skin color. Therefore, humans with one skin color is not "more evolved" or "less evolved" than humans with another skin color.

It is thought that our species of modern humans started moving moving out of Africa after the species developed. As the theory behind the development of light skin goes, the differences in skin color are thought to be attributed to the differences in UV light in different parts of the world in which humans lived, and the need for the skin to produce vitamin D and another vitamin named "folate" from sunlight.

In Africa, there was an abundance of UV light, and the melanin in the skin darkened it to help shield them fro the light, which could otherwise be harmful in large amounts. As humans began to migrate to latitudes further from the equator, there was less light available, AND darker-skinned humans would not produce enough vitamin D and folate (which mainly is produced by the skin from sunlight). The humans living in these areas away from the equator who also had mutations that would give them lighter skin would be healthier than the dark-skinned people living in these regions away from the equator -- and they would be healthier due to getting enough vitamin D and folate in the reduced sunlight. The dark skinned that protected people from harmful intense sunlight near the equator would not allow for the production of enough vitamin D and folate in the regions with less sunlight.

Over time, the lighter-skinned humans who get enough Vitamin D and folate in the regions of lesser sunlight would be the healthier humans, and they would be more likely to develop more offspring that the dark-skinned humans who would have a vitamin D deficiency while attempting to live away from the equator with dark skin. Over tens of thousands of years and over many, many generations, the ability for the lighter-skinned humans to have more offspring would eventually make light skin the norm in those regions, while dark skin would still be the norm in areas closer to the equator, because of the protection the dark skin offers (and the extra sunlight near the equator would still allow for absorption of enough vitamin D and folate among dark-skinned people.

But, no -- different skin-colored people did not evolve into humans separately. All of the different skin color people were already evolved into humans before the genes that cause lighter skin color became prevalent in people living away from the equator.

a reply to: borntowatch

Hold on you bleat on about evidence while teaching kids about your fairy tale book which has zero evidence and you say it is us who are brainwashed?.
You are the brainwasher here teaching kids a man made religion.
Just because you refuse actual evidence of evolution (we have shown you it you are just too ignorant to even consider it) doesn't mean it is not there.
I will say it again you are disgusting and doinf a disservice to those kids.
Any mods in? This thread needs shutting down.

originally posted by: borntowatch
Why are you so terrified that creation is taught.
If its so invalid surely science will prove evolution correct.....eventually, dont fear, or are you afraid people expect evidence and will push it and like this thread none will be provided, just a bucket catching dripping water will prove evolution to some, children?

Let's change gears for a second then. Since you're so big on evidence how about you show us some of your Young Earth Creationist Evidence???

Being that you've ditched Evolutionary Science for YEC and are even allegedly teaching it as well you should no doubt have some really credible and verified science to back it up right??? So let's see what you got???

Start with an overview of it at first because I don't know exactly what YEC theories are all about. Then go in to details if you would please???

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: borntowatch

Well done.
Dumbing down kids.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Funnily enough I think the same about teaching of evolution
In fact I think its what you are doing is far worse and you all are to lazy to find the truth.

I once believed in evolution, though blacks were less evolved than whites and Asians were....well you know, what I was taught at school.

I shudder to think where you went to school then. South Africa during the Apartheid years?

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: borntowatch

I once believed in evolution, though blacks were less evolved than whites and Asians were....well you know, what I was taught at school.

No, we don't know. What did you think of Asians??? I'm dying to know.

Was all the racist stuff taught to you as part of evolution too???

I thought Asians were less than humans, kinda like Asians thought they were more evolved than white folk,
Kinda how the british thought Irish people were less evolved or the Germans though Jews were less evolved, you know, what evolution can be read to teach.

Was it taught to me at school, of course not, but it wasnt not taught to me at school and plenty of people thought different skin colors meant different stages of the evolutionary scale.
I know some that still do


Still not seeing any evidence, just a lot of bitter ranting

Aha, so there's your problem - you associated with racists and idiots.

originally posted by: borntowatch
I went to a public school in a country where Christianity and creationism was never discussed, was never spoken of.

Iran?

a reply to: Prezbo369

I'm sorry to say this, but you're all to blame for borntowatch and the nonsense he's/she's been spewing here.

Keep feeding a troll and they keep coming back for more.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: borntowatch
Was it taught to me at school, of course not, but it wasnt not taught to me at school and plenty of people thought different skin colors meant different stages of the evolutionary scale.
I know some that still do.

Modern humans had already evolved into the species we have today prior to developing differences in skin color. Therefore, humans with one skin color is not "more evolved" or "less evolved" than humans with another skin color.

It is thought that our species of modern humans started moving moving out of Africa after the species developed. As the theory behind the development of light skin goes, the differences in skin color are thought to be attributed to the differences in UV light in different parts of the world in which humans lived, and the need for the skin to produce vitamin D and another vitamin named "folate" from sunlight.

In Africa, there was an abundance of UV light, and the melanin in the skin darkened it to help shield them fro the light, which could otherwise be harmful in large amounts. As humans began to migrate to latitudes further from the equator, there was less light available, AND darker-skinned humans would not produce enough vitamin D and folate (which mainly is produced by the skin from sunlight). The humans living in these areas away from the equator who also had mutations that would give them lighter skin would be healthier than the dark-skinned people living in these regions away from the equator -- and they would be healthier due to getting enough vitamin D and folate in the reduced sunlight. The dark skinned that protected people from harmful intense sunlight near the equator would not allow for the production of enough vitamin D and folate in the regions with less sunlight.

Over time, the lighter-skinned humans who get enough Vitamin D and folate in the regions of lesser sunlight would be the healthier humans, and they would be more likely to develop more offspring that the dark-skinned humans who would have a vitamin D deficiency while attempting to live away from the equator with dark skin. Over tens of thousands of years and over many, many generations, the ability for the lighter-skinned humans to have more offspring would eventually make light skin the norm in those regions, while dark skin would still be the norm in areas closer to the equator, because of the protection the dark skin offers (and the extra sunlight near the equator would still allow for absorption of enough vitamin D and folate among dark-skinned people.

But, no -- different skin-colored people did not evolve into humans separately. All of the different skin color people were already evolved into humans before the genes that cause lighter skin color became prevalent in people living away from the equator.

Well thanks SGP, your theory sounds reasonable and there seems to be some very interesting evidence to back up what you have said. Still lacks a bit of evidence, all I see is an outcome, but thats enough. Humanity is still all one and yes I see skin color as evolving.
A link or quote would have been nice, I appreciate the effort, I agree with you on your point


I have a couple of issues none the less.
I am a creationist and believe in creation, Adam and Eve. I dont believe that humanity evolved from primates or monkeys.
I dont see skin color as proof of change in a species. Skin color is microevolution, it does not prove macroevolution. The drops of water in a bucket thing just sounds foolish when we compare drops of water with dna

I agreed with what you said before you said it

originally posted by: boymonkey74
we have shown you it you are just too ignorant to even consider it

You have shown me assumption not evidence, good assumption but not good enough.

I could say lots but would just be repeating myself

I teach Sunday school, some parents want their children to learn what the bible teaches about creation and I am happy to tell them what I believe.
I dont say its a fact,
I dont demand they accept it.
I just tell them why I believe what I do.
I dont belittle them if they disagree
Dont bully them into my view
In my country you can do that without going to prison

Maybe I thought if I got some valid evidence I might explain a better opposing view, clearly not

Kids are not as gullible as adults, they want answers and sincere answers.
Where did the world come from?
some say a big bang
How did the bigbang happen?
Well , I dont understand the big bang, nobody can explain that to me either I believe in God and He created it

originally posted by: borntowatch
You have shown me assumption not evidence, good assumption but not good enough.

That's funny, because that is certainly true about your evidence (or lack thereof) of a biblical creation. In believing in the biblical version of creation, you are making many many more assumptions based on no testable evidence than a person needs to do to believe that the driving concepts of the theory of the evolution of species holds validity.

originally posted by: borntowatch

I teach Sunday school, some parents want their children to learn what the bible teaches about creation and I am happy to tell them what I believe.
I dont say its a fact,
I dont demand they accept it.
I just tell them why I believe what I do.
I dont belittle them if they disagree
Dont bully them into my view
In my country you can do that without going to prison

That's fine for Sunday School or for people who want you to teach Creation. That's what they want so that's what you give them. You can do that in most countries too BTW without going to prison. Same rules apply. Church school is where you teach what the church wants. Secular school you teach what they want. Nobody goes to prison.

Kids are not as gullible as adults, they want answers and sincere answers.

Wrong. Kids will believe almost anything if told by authority, things like Santa, Tooth Fairy, Boogey Man, etc.

Where did the world come from?
some say a big bang
How did the bigbang happen?
Well , I dont understand the big bang, nobody can explain that to me either I believe in God and He created it

Just because you give the answer of "God Created it", doesn't mean it's the right answer. You can use that answer for anything and everything. Just because you don't understand other answers doesn't mean the incorrect easy answer is the way to go. You could just as easily say Gonzo the Great created it.

Nor can anyone explain to you how "God Created" anything either except to say he used Magic or God Power or whatever so it makes no difference what you tell them or what can or cannot be explained. You simply take the easiest way.

There is no creation/evolution controversy, it's purely a creationist fallacy. This false fabrication is the fundamentalist theologies that creationist insists that certain contrary-to-fact false claims must be true or else God either does not exist or is not worthy of worship and we should all become atheists. This is why so many of your children, raised on those false teachings, are becoming atheists upon discovering the deception.

How ironic is it that fundamentalism and its reliance on "creation science" is a major cause of atheism. Evolution or science does not conflict in any way with Divine Creation. But rather fundamentalism and "creation science" which teach lies about how the world must be in order for God to exist.

originally posted by: flyingfish
How ironic is it that fundamentalism and its reliance on "creation science" is a major cause of atheism. Evolution or science does not conflict in any way with Divine Creation. But rather fundamentalism and "creation science" which teach lies about how the world must be in order for God to exist.

This is an excellent point. There could be arguments in which both evolution and divine creation coexist. There can be ways in which a divine creator of the universe can be reconciled with the standard theory of how species evolve through mutation and natural selection. I'm sure there are a few evolutionists who feel it is possible that some sort of Supreme Being created the universe (only a few, but I bet they exist).

However, there really is no way to reconcile evolution with the idea of Fundamentalist Christian creationism (i.e., that humans and the animals we know today just came into existence already as evolved as we know them to be today, and that they never evolved from anything else).