What is evolution, not what some think

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

You need to understand what the Theory of Evolution of species is before you can start arguing about its validity. However, it seems you are unwilling to learn what the theory entails, even when people explain it to you.

Little changes over of years , caused by the environment and mutations add up to big changes over hundreds of thousands of years

Really is there much more to know? I cant seem to get anymore depth from anyone around here more pertinent than what I have written
As I have stated its very simple,(guess thats why so many accept it) and believable, I just want evidence....



and no I dont believe it

I hate you.

You know what, I can understand that,
though it doesnt support your argument and its an attack on me personally without any valid evidence

You know a simple discourse about evolution and the evidence would go along way in understanding each other.

Unless you dont want to understand me, you just want to browbeat me

originally posted by: borntowatch
You know a simple discourse about evolution and the evidence would go along way in understanding each other.

You've had months of that. I personally first saw you in this section of the forums back in November last year. I look at the date from the OP and this thread is from May of last year. What more evidence could you possibly want? How many times do you need to ask the same questions, and ignore the same well explained responses? How many times can you refuse to address certain main points or arguments against your position? How many counter arguments have you made? Pretty much zero, as far as I know at least. You have got to be kidding me! You went from entertaining to downright troll! You don't have to agree with evolution if you don't want to. Nobody is forcing you. Stop dragging this out acting as if you give a real care about educating yourself on the topic. You don't. You already know you're never going to agree with evolution, no matter what. Please stop trolling.

What would Jesus do? Answer: Stop trolling.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: borntowatch
You know a simple discourse about evolution and the evidence would go along way in understanding each other.

You've had months of that. I personally first saw you in this section of the forums back in November last year. What more evidence could you possibly want? How many times do you need to ask the same questions, and ignore the same well explained responses? How many times can you refuse to address certain main points or arguments against your position? How many counter arguments have you made? Pretty much zero, as far as I know at least. You have got to be kidding me! You went from entertaining to downright troll! You don't have to agree with evolution if you don't want to. Nobody is forcing you. Stop dragging this out acting as if you give a real care about educating yourself on the topic. You don't. You already know you're never going to agree with evolution, no matter what. Please stop trolling.

What would Jesus do? Answer: Stop trolling.

Well I disagree, they havnt been well explained responses, if any valid responses at all, just links to walls of texts and pages of irrelevant dribble.

Hey Beer, I havnt shackled you to the net, this thread, just walk away

I tend to think you being here makes you the troll, funny isnt it.

No I will never agree with evolution as it stands now, if the evidence I have seen is all you got.


I have a magic trick it will make all this vanish, just dont click on the link.

and what would Jesus do, you always have to make it about religion because that is what you perceive as a weakness, me I see the evidence as the weakness and it is why you get so angry, you cant understand or explain what you believe with why you believe it.
All you can do is link a wall of text and hope in doing so it will mask your inability to explain evolution.

Now stop trolling my thred and go away...please

originally posted by: borntowatch


You know a simple discourse about evolution and the evidence would go along way in understanding each other.

Oh we're waayyyyyyyyyy past that. Now I just wish you'd go away and never come back.

originally posted by: borntowatch



I have a magic trick it will make all this vanish, just dont click on the link.



Now stop trolling my thred and go away...please

If only it were that simple.

You invade every evolution-related thread to post your idiocy. You're like a bad penny...

You're trolling your own thread, sir.

originally posted by: borntowatch
Hey Beer, I havnt shackled you to the net, this thread, just walk away

I tend to think you being here makes you the troll, funny isnt it.

I enjoy these threads because I have a guilty pleasure of reading people go back and forth over subjects. They are particularly entertaining because usually one side doesn't understand the other yet attempts to debate it. I never add much of my own because there are the usual group of users who are better at explaining things with their walls of text. Walls of text which you self proclaim to ignore simply because they are walls of text!

No I will never agree with evolution as it stands now, if the evidence I have seen is all you got.

So does that mean you intend to stop asking the same questions during the next six months?

and what would Jesus do, you always have to make it about religion because that is what you perceive as a weakness, me I see the evidence as the weakness and it is why you get so angry, you cant understand or explain what you believe with why you believe it.

The only people who deny evolution as far as I've seen are the religious/intelligent design crowd.

Yes, it gets frustrating. Sometimes I feel the need to call things out.

All you can do is link a wall of text and hope in doing so it will mask your inability to explain evolution.

Plenty of people have tried explaining things to you in their own words, without links, without pictures etc. Basically every method of explanation you've demanded has been met, and ignored.

Now stop trolling my thred and go away...please

Ok. I shall now return to lurking here.

originally posted by: borntowatch
you cant have evolution without abiogenesis

False.

I just want evidence....

False.

You know a simple discourse about evolution and the evidence would go along way in understanding each other.

False.

they havnt been well explained responses

False.

Dismissed

True.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: borntowatch
you cant have evolution without abiogenesis

False.

I just want evidence....

False.

You know a simple discourse about evolution and the evidence would go along way in understanding each other.

False.

they havnt been well explained responses

False.

Dismissed

True.

well I guess that a goodbye then Barcs, I know, you cant help yourself, you must HAVE the last word......it just goes begging doesnt it....

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

You need to understand what the Theory of Evolution of species is before you can start arguing about its validity. However, it seems you are unwilling to learn what the theory entails, even when people explain it to you.

Little changes over of years , caused by the environment and mutations add up to big changes over hundreds of thousands of years

Really is there much more to know? I cant seem to get anymore depth from anyone around here more pertinent than what I have written
As I have stated its very simple,(guess thats why so many accept it) and believable, I just want evidence....



and no I dont believe it

I hate you.

You know what, I can understand that,
though it doesnt support your argument and its an attack on me personally without any valid evidence

You know a simple discourse about evolution and the evidence would go along way in understanding each other.

Unless you dont want to understand me, you just want to browbeat me

I'm sorry, but 'discourse'? You dismiss or sneer at evidence, convinced that nothing actually proves that evolution occurs. You have no intention of ever engaging in a debate. It's hypocritical of you to even claim that.

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: borntowatch
you cant have evolution without abiogenesis

False.

I just want evidence....

False.

You know a simple discourse about evolution and the evidence would go along way in understanding each other.

False.

they havnt been well explained responses

False.

Dismissed

True.

well I guess that a goodbye then Barcs, I know, you cant help yourself, you must HAVE the last word......it just goes begging doesnt it....

I think I'm starting to understand your strategy.

You get a group of people to engage in the debate and then you frustrate them so thoroughly that they give up and leave the thread so you can start over with a new group who make the mistake of not reading the previous 60 pages of lunacy.

Clearly my strategy is to ask for evidence and allow you to groan and moan when I say it falls short.

Bacteria turning into bacteria is not hard evidence, its adaptation and you need/want me to believe what you do
I wonder why that is.
That sounds like lunacy to me, demanding others believe what you do?

originally posted by: borntowatch
Clearly my strategy is to ask for evidence and allow you to groan and moan when I say it falls short.

Bacteria turning into bacteria is not hard evidence, its adaptation and you need/want me to believe what you do
I wonder why that is.
That sounds like lunacy to me, demanding others believe what you do?

...but, kind sir, that is exactly what you are also doing, is it not? This thread is very interesting, not so much because of the evolution debate, (of, which, if you have the faculty of reason, and have educated yourself enough, is a no-brainer...hell, this thread, alone, is enough to give most of the background needed to understand the most basic concepts of the ToE) but rather the mechanics people use to attempt to hold on to their 'conditioning' despite objective evidence that shows other possibilities. Now, that being said, since I have no way of knowing what is going on in OP's head, (if anything, but I digress...j/k lol) it would be very easy for me to simply dismiss his line of thinking, and say he is uneducatable, or in the common vernacular (and I mean no offense OP, but) retarded, brought about through his prior conditioning (which some may call 'brainwashing') to not accept new thoughts or ideas. I am starting to actually see what Richard Dawkins is referring to when he states that religion is a virus, and quite possibly a very dangerous one, at that. Since you often become infected with its meme before you have the abuility to reason, and hence, it cripples this very vital function before it has the chance to develop. It also keeps itself going by allowing others, like the OP, to infect others, especially the young and vulnerable (which. there are not so many on ATS, but you can only imagine what he tells children, when available, and, I'm sure their naturally questioning minds, and young developing ability to reason, is quickly shut down with a pat answer, or simple bible verses). I never saw this in action, so much as now, and would like to praise the OP and thank him/her for providing me with actual, objective evidence that this hypothetical 'virus' may very well have enough data to begin the formation of a theory, and then we can begin trying to find cures to immunize humanity from this potentially mind threatening. and life threatening, disease. That said, God bless us all.

originally posted by: borntowatch
Clearly my strategy is to ask for evidence and allow you to groan and moan when I say it falls short.

Bacteria turning into bacteria is not hard evidence, its adaptation and you need/want me to believe what you do
I wonder why that is.
That sounds like lunacy to me, demanding others believe what you do?

The only person here showing any lunacy is you! What is being challenged is your view of evolution, because it has no resemblance to what evolution actually is.

We are responding to you here because it is entertaining to watch someone make a fool of themselves and spouting false deceptive claims about subjects that you clearly do not have a clue about.

Ergo you have lost all credibility, from the very begining of this thread you have been gifted with civil and factual responses. And yet you insult us with hand waving, deception, lies and vacuous rhetoric, at this point you deserve nothing more but mockery and derision.

originally posted by: borntowatch
well I guess that a goodbye then Barcs, I know, you cant help yourself, you must HAVE the last word......it just goes begging doesnt it....

False.

Clearly my strategy is to ask for evidence and allow you to groan and moan when I say it falls short.

False.

Bacteria turning into bacteria is not hard evidence, its adaptation

False.

and you need/want me to believe what you do

False.

Don't mind me. I'm just making sure people know what you are lying about. Don't even respond, I'll just keep pointing out the lies and ignorance that you post. I won't even explain why, since you don't care about evidence or reasons.

I teach Sunday School yay me and I teach that the TOE is a lie of the devil and that God created the world and all in 7 days and the earth is only thousands of years old.

and I will continue because I havnt seen any evidence to suggest otherwise


and any evidence still goes begging

a reply to: borntowatch

Well done.
Dumbing down kids.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: borntowatch

Well done.
Dumbing down kids.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Funnily enough I think the same about teaching of evolution
In fact I think its what you are doing is far worse and you all are to lazy to find the truth.

I once believed in evolution, though blacks were less evolved than whites and Asians were....well you know, what I was taught at school.

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: borntowatch

Well done.
Dumbing down kids.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Funnily enough I think the same about teaching of evolution
In fact I think its what you are doing is far worse and you all are to lazy to find the truth.

I once believed in evolution, though blacks were less evolved than whites and Asians were....well you know, what I was taught at school.

Were you home schooled on evolution?

originally posted by: Prezbo369

Were you home schooled on evolution?

Wouldnt that be nice, you could blame someone.
I went to a public school in a country where Christianity and creationism was never discussed, was never spoken of.

Guess the brainwashing didnt take

Still asking for evidence. I will continue asking for evidence because that should shame you into actually providing some.

So evidence?

Why not compare a bucket and drops of water filling the bucket as proof of evolution, as evidence, that there is some good evidence, that could win me over if evolution was about filling buckets with water
Stupidest thing I ever heard around here ever.

Come on stop attacking me and show some evidence.

Show me a species turning into another species and the bacteria thing is just pathetic, really pathetic.

originally posted by: borntowatch
I teach Sunday School yay me and I teach that the TOE is a lie of the devil and that God created the world and all in 7 days and the earth is only thousands of years old.

and I will continue because I havnt seen any evidence to suggest otherwise

Wow. I feel bad for those children. This is one of the biggest problems plaguing our society today. If you want to believe your faith that's fine with me, but leave science out of it. The fact that you would preach lies and bull# like that to innocent children just because you blindly believe ancient myths as absolute infallible truth while denying science without even addressing evidence, makes you a despicable human being, in my eyes. That's the type of crap that leads to folks suicide bombing people that don't agree with their religion. Let the kids examine the evidence for themselves and figure it out, instead of force feeding them lies and rhetoric. You might also want to tell them that you know absolutely nothing about science, and that you have a personal vendetta against it and hate it with a passion. You should refer the children to this thread, so they know how downright ignorant you come off as and hopefully they won't grow up spewing the same ignorance as you.