Prove Evolution Is False - Even Without the Bible

a reply to: Murgatroid

I was referring to this statement.
"Evolution on the other hand is based on nothing BUT false information and deliberate fraud"

While I have no issue with evolution not being accepted as exact fact as I myself feel that we are missing some aspects of it yet to be discovered. To state that everything about is false and deliberate fraud isn't true.

I am not familiar with Mullins so I can't comment on him. What I can say is, to me at least, trying to fathom the entire scientific community being mislead or all of them working together to keep some secret about the origin of life seems a bit much to accept. Unless of course you include the supernatural(referring to god and satan) then you have an open door to any possibility. I don't believe in either so that makes my view of the subject as one sided as one who does believe I suppose. The exception being I am ok with the possibility of existence.

So I'm going to take some time and see what the Mullin's individual has to say and I will respond again later today with my opinion.

originally posted by: paradox

We have found many transitional; fossils

No. there is no such thing, and even Darwin acknowledged this fact in Origin of Species.

100s if not 1000s of transitional fossils have been found. You can get a list of them and read up on them right now.

Your belief must be a rather weak one if it requires to ignore undeniable, real facts to keep it up. A belief which needs lies just to exist can only be bogus/fake.

originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I agree, it does sound just like a Hollywood production.

I believe there is a very good reason for this.

Hollywood is just another huge part of the scam.

Hollywood is a HUGE jedi mind trick, all of us here know that.

It's also another very effective mind control tool just like Darwinism is.

You're also right about being awfully convenient.

For those in control it is VERY convenient.

They have honed their "Hollywood production" skills down to a SCIENCE...

That's kind of twisting my words around. I'm saying that your views require a Hollywood movie plot to be true in order for what you believe to be true. It's ridiculous to think that the WHOLE world is against the commoners and trying to suppress us or bring about Armageddon or whatever you believe. It's ridiculous. The state of the world is the result of humans being humans. That is all.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Why are you hating on science so much? Without it you wouldn't be able to be the epic keyboard warrior you are today.

a reply to: Murgatroid

I know this seems like a quick reply but I am done reading this guy's bs. If you believe the bile spit out by this person and honestly believe EVERYTHING that is wrong is the fault of the jews.......I will have to simply say thank you but we have nothing more to discuss. The gentlemen you presented in your post was a pathetic excuse for a human being. I was pleased to read Eustace Mullins is dead.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: paradox

And in spite of evolutionist claims, it is not the same as micro evolution. that is simply an argument used to backtrack and excuse irrational evolutionist faith that "time did it" in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

Alright this is great you are someone that claims there is evidence.

Please explain and provide the "evidence" to what logical or biological barriers would prevent microevolutionary changes from becoming macroevolutionary changes over long spans of time

Scientific Fact #8 from the OP. Chromazone Count

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: paradox
Science is about asking WHY and HOW.

Religion simply says SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO THIS.

Science is about asking WHY and HOW, regarding natural things observed.

God's Truth is about explaining WHY and HOW, regarding spiritual things thought.

To a physically minded individual science would be more satisfying, to a spiritually minded individual God's truth would be.

If you have ears to hear and eyes to see.

God Bless,

originally posted by: Rob48

How is it a "scam"? Who gains from this great scam? Religion is a scam, because it seeks to gain followers and relieve those followers of their money. Science simply tries to explain things. It doesn't want your cash; it doesn't want you to build temples and worship idols and donate to the cause.

Who gains from this great scam?
- Scientists, Government, Individuals beings (physical or spiritual) who do not want others to worship the God of the Bible.

Evolution seeks to gain followers and relieve those followers of the potential to establish a true and growing relationship with Almighty God, by choosing to believe "what seems right to me" (traditions of men), in rebellion to the truth given by God (commandments of God).

Science simply tries to explain things... only using physical observations, devices, measurements, calculations; if something true exists outside of the physical state/realm, science omits that explanation; because it cannot be recreated in a physical lab.

It doesn't want your cash/donations?
- NSF!

It doesn't want you to build places of worship dedicated to it?
- Universities

BTW, God commands no idol ever to be placed before (above) God and his Word, for any religion to do so is to act in sin, however Science does place their evolutionary theory, which is an idol (object of focus; created in the minds of men) before God and his Word spiritually.

God Bless,

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: Murgatroid

The only way to ignore this fact is to remain completely out of touch with reality, which in turn points us towards the primary agenda behind it.

And what primary agenda would that be?

Can it be any more sinister than the agenda of religion which has been seeking to subjugate and brainwash humanity for centuries, and keep us all in the dark ages squabbling with one another?

They are 2 sides of the same coin, accomplishing the same agenda (your understanding is right, God's Word is wrong).

All religions from mankind are false and designed to subject and control others. Whether the religion of Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hindu, Shinto, Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Evolution etc.

Only God and His truth are true. The rest is selfish mankind according to their free will.

God Bless,

Well, read the original post.

Basically the pseudo science, fact-illiterate stuff you see on creationist sites.

I'm sure that many posters have pointed this out. My main reason to post is to correct the age of human built structures which someone put at about 4,500 bp. Actually the oldest human stone construction is about 12,000 bp, the oldest dated wood ones go back hundreds of thousands of years to non modern humans.

Oh yeah, and genetics has proven we evolved from chimps.

Go back to modern human remains about 100,000 years ago and the skulls have significant differences.

Tests on ancient human DNA have shown we are biologically different with mutations they just didn't have.

So there you go, evolution in humans with physical and genetic proof.

The advantages of studying anthropology and understanding biology and genetics, unlike the person who wrote the WOT for the OP.

Also, we've observed speciation events inside the scale of a human lifespan in insects, which is surprisingly common. But feel free to ignore observed facts that contradict your beliefs.

For anyone who thinks that anyone who actually studies science for real (not religious people who pretend to understand the science and who post stuff like the OP) disagrees with evolution look up 'project Steve'.

ncse.com...

Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public schools

It's like saying gravity isn't real. Apples don't fall up.

originally posted by: ElohimJD

originally posted by: Rob48

How is it a "scam"? Who gains from this great scam? Religion is a scam, because it seeks to gain followers and relieve those followers of their money. Science simply tries to explain things. It doesn't want your cash; it doesn't want you to build temples and worship idols and donate to the cause.

Who gains from this great scam?
- Scientists, Government, Individuals beings (physical or spiritual) who do not want others to worship the God of the Bible.

Evolution seeks to gain followers and relieve those followers of the potential to establish a true and growing relationship with Almighty God, by choosing to believe "what seems right to me" (traditions of men), in rebellion to the truth given by God (commandments of God).

Science simply tries to explain things... only using physical observations, devices, measurements, calculations; if something true exists outside of the physical state/realm, science omits that explanation; because it cannot be recreated in a physical lab.

It doesn't want your cash/donations?
- NSF!

It doesn't want you to build places of worship dedicated to it?
- Universities

BTW, God commands no idol ever to be placed before (above) God and his Word, for any religion to do so is to act in sin, however Science does place their evolutionary theory, which is an idol (object of focus; created in the minds of men) before God and his Word spiritually.

God Bless,

Thus rants someone who doesn't know a thing about science.

We study facts. Science is facts, and logical interpretations of facts. It's not science's fault the facts are contradicting your religion. Your religion was made up by bronze age priests, science is the study of what actually is. Scientists study facts (AKA science) because they want to understand how the universe functions, and how to make life better. They really don't give a crap about religion except when religious people start screaming blue murder because the observed facts contradict something some bronze age peasant made up.

So basically it's facts you can observe, vs religion.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: Krazysh0t
What is abiogenesis and don't direct me to a link to explain it as I wont bother.

Well this is a bit offtopic but ok... Abiogenesis simply put, without all the science speak, is the process where organic matter arose from inorganic matter. There is a lot of chemistry involved and it hasn't been sufficiently reproduced in a lab setting. That is why it remains a hypothesis. I must stress that it has NOTHING to do with evolution, which has upgraded to theory territory. They are two completely distinct and separate ideas, but creationists keep trying to lump them together into a strawman argument.

Thanks KrazyshOt; you thwarted a sardonic/ironic response to another poster (sometimes the links are miles long). You mean Abiogenesis could describe MagicK not proven (think how 50 ton stones were levitated into position 1000s of years ago to create monuments probably using sound to create a resonance that softened the stone material, rearranged it molecularly). Not a fan of evolution other than specie died because they either failed within the environment or adapted; over 100,000s of thousands of years (don't think they had that much time to do so giving the changing environment). Creationism; if all were born perfectly the dinosaurs would still be living among us (and I don't mean just the lizards and chickens as ancestors).

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Rob48

I would love to know this also Murg what agenda do all scientists who study evolution have?. What have they to gain?.

They don't have to consider there is more to the creation of this planet than something that can be measured and weighed and Magick is neither. Regarding evolution just look at the fibonaci spiral; it exists as a god memory form that is described within all embryos and many other basic shapes in the natural world. There is a great book out there written by Rupert Sheldrake called "Morphic Resonance and The Presence Of the Past (the habits of nature)" that speaks to this; actually brutal concerning Scientific concerns.

@ the original poster:

Where's the data? Where's the laboratory experiments that contradict experiments which have been published in respected scientific journals? Where is the detailed experimental data that proves your points? In fact, there is none.

In science, if you want to refute a theory, you need to provide CONTRADICTORY evidence - not rhetoric and convoluted over simplifications. Contradictory evidence is direct and very real laboratory data which clearly shows that the experiments which have been done produced erroneous results.

If you can find such a paper, I would be very interested to review it.

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed

originally posted by: paradox

We have found many transitional; fossils

No. there is no such thing, and even Darwin acknowledged this fact in Origin of Species.

100s if not 1000s of transitional fossils have been found. You can get a list of them and read up on them right now.

Your belief must be a rather weak one if it requires to ignore undeniable, real facts to keep it up. A belief which needs lies just to exist can only be bogus/fake.

no chance! If you had even one you would post a link. You did not because there is not

originally posted by: Antigod

originally posted by: ElohimJD

originally posted by: Rob48

How is it a "scam"? Who gains from this great scam? Religion is a scam, because it seeks to gain followers and relieve those followers of their money. Science simply tries to explain things. It doesn't want your cash; it doesn't want you to build temples and worship idols and donate to the cause.

Who gains from this great scam?
- Scientists, Government, Individuals beings (physical or spiritual) who do not want others to worship the God of the Bible.

Evolution seeks to gain followers and relieve those followers of the potential to establish a true and growing relationship with Almighty God, by choosing to believe "what seems right to me" (traditions of men), in rebellion to the truth given by God (commandments of God).

Science simply tries to explain things... only using physical observations, devices, measurements, calculations; if something true exists outside of the physical state/realm, science omits that explanation; because it cannot be recreated in a physical lab.

It doesn't want your cash/donations?
- NSF!

It doesn't want you to build places of worship dedicated to it?
- Universities

BTW, God commands no idol ever to be placed before (above) God and his Word, for any religion to do so is to act in sin, however Science does place their evolutionary theory, which is an idol (object of focus; created in the minds of men) before God and his Word spiritually.

God Bless,

Thus rants someone who doesn't know a thing about science.

We study facts. Science is facts, and logical interpretations of facts. It's not science's fault the facts are contradicting your religion. Your religion was made up by bronze age priests, science is the study of what actually is. Scientists study facts (AKA science) because they want to understand how the universe functions, and how to make life better. They really don't give a crap about religion except when religious people start screaming blue murder because the observed facts contradict something some bronze age peasant made up.

So basically it's facts you can observe, vs religion.

nice. Thats cool man. You clearly have the most faith of any poster here. . No religious defender of their personal dogma has shown near as much faith as you in your own dogma. You are a true believer in omniscient beings eh? Scientists are holy, holy, holy to you? Are they your source for moral character then, as well?

originally posted by: manna2
no chance! If you had even one you would post a link. You did not because there is not

Darwinism always seems to have issues when it comes to missing links.

Attempting to defend an argument that is mathematically impossible, completely illogical, and 100% devoid of any evidence only leaves them with one alternative...

Fraud, lies, personal attacks, ridicule, insults, hate, trolling, and derailing.

Faking evidence is bad enough but the British Museum and other Darwin Conpirators went much further. They not only faked evidence but the British Museum insisted on being “keeper of the Piltdown Man skull” and refused to permit anyone to examine the Piltdown Man skull. In effect, the British Museum said “We have the evidence but we will not allow anyone to examine or verify our evidence and you just have to take our word for it.”

The British Museum claimed they were afraid the Piltdown Skull would be somehow contaminated or harmed if any one examined it. But the real reason no one was allowed to even look at it from a distance is that it was so obvious a fake.

For over three decades, the British Museum arrogantly denied any requests to examine the fake Piltdown Man skull. Most of the scientific community did not object because they were atheists and part of the Darwin Consipiracy. But then, Darwinians ran into a problem that forced the British Museum to change its stance.

By 1949, most Darwinists supported the “Man Came Out of Africa Theory” of human evolution which said that humans evolved from apes in Africa. But this theory was directly contradicted by the Piltdown Man skull because that faked skull would support the theory that humans came from England, or Europe instead of Africa. In fact, in 1949, the fake Piltdown Man skull stood in the way of “Man Came Out of Africa Theory” and several prominent Darwinists, including Louis Leakey (who discovered “Lucy”) convinced the British Museum to allow them to examine the Piltdown Man skull.

A History Channel documentary revealed that Louis Leakey said that the Piltdown Man skull was so obvious a forgery that he could tell the skull was a fake from over fifteen feet away because the coloring of the jaw and skull were different. This fact proves the British Museum and all of its hierarchy knew it was a fake and also that it was easy for any expert to know the skull was a forgery and that is why the museum refused to allow anyone to examine it.

This is an example of how a very powerful Darwin Conspiracy, led by atheists, fakes evidence, suppresses the truth and spreads lies in order to promote Darwinian evolution theory.

DNA tests prove Darwin Was Wrong

originally posted by: Euphem
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

Why are you hating on science so much? Without it you wouldn't be able to be the epic keyboard warrior you are today.

Not me; I was groomed to be a geneticist; I wasn't loving the thought of being locked up as Lab Rat #3 (myself the one being studied); I chose a different path although my studies of fruit fly genetics are still out there somewhere, tremendous revelations (esoteric I know). Hey; the real keyboard warrior recognizes another kindred spirit.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: Krazysh0t

[I]Murgatroid[/I]I agree, it does sound just like a Hollywood production.
I believe there is a very good reason for this.
Hollywood is just another huge part of the scam.
Hollywood is a HUGE jedi mind trick, all of us here know that.
It's also another very effective mind control tool just like Darwinism is.
You're also right about being awfully convenient.
For those in control it is VERY convenient.
They have honed their "Hollywood production" skills down to a SCIENCE...

You have no idea how right you are. Not only in control of the entertainment industry, news etc. you are actually paying to observe it (your education as funneled to you); its diabolical.

[I]KrazyshOt[/I]That's kind of twisting my words around. I'm saying that your views require a Hollywood movie plot to be true in order for what you believe to be true. It's ridiculous to think that the WHOLE world is against the commoners and trying to suppress us or bring about Armageddon or whatever you believe. It's ridiculous. The state of the world is the result of humans being humans. That is all.

The state of organizing humans and entertaining them (think Roman Games of pleasure coliseum style; Ben Hur costume drama). Keep the masses quelled by giving them games of blood (to avert uprisings against the realm). Its no different now, except its become a billion dollar industry that is this: LETS SHOW THE HUMAN HOW TO WATCH ITSELF (and pay for that privilege) SO THAT IT KNOWS OR HAS OUR IDEAFORM OF HOW TO BE A HUMAN (comedy, drama) etc and we make money on their ignorance.

Before I give my input; I want to say that I am not arguing or debating anything. Thought and belief is based on experience and external interactions (reading, listening, touching, tasting, smelling). What we debate is merely what we believe to be true on the given subject.

I really enjoyed the OP, I did not read it all lol, too much. As one of the given sources states; evolution is an idea (mental thought structure) within the science-mental-collective, of how living organisms have survived and 'upgraded' since the beginning of their biological-creation. As said, the theory of evolution deeply relies on the faith of the material world, to prove its 'belief' or theory (which is what it is).

I believe what the establishment has been doing with this Evolution-perception; is make people believe they are just a body, within a animalistic environment, "survival of the fitness".

This is delusional. This structure of thought is bias to a predator mentality, one who seeks damage, kill, and depends on fresh meat to stay physical functional. Not all people are of this nature or thought process, and do not see nature as a competition.

ADAPTATION - is the physical priority of living organisms. When an organism is introduced to new environment, its cellular and biological levels are then alerted to ADAPT or adjust to the surrounding environment. This is not "evolving", this is adapting. This is why we do not see "dogs, cats and horses evolving into something else" - when we look into nature.

For things to 'evolve' (which is the mental-trick perception) or ADAPT, it must be introduced to a new environment or a alteration/change comes about within the given organisms surrounding environment.

THRIVE is what all organisms within the Universe, are hardwired to do. To live, and find the most balanced and conservative way to exist in a physically-functional universe. When change comes about, all organisms will attempt to thrive, and adapt to the change within the surrounding environment.

My perception on Evolution is; the establishment has attempted to deceive people with bias thought structure. Such as a religion would make people believe in gods and holy kids rather themselves as an individual Human being. Evolution is Evil-ution. And heavily biased in thought and belief, especially within the scientific and atheist minds.

All living organisms will ADAPT when to the change around them, or the change they choose to bring about with their own Will. If a cataclysm happened tomorrow morning - all organisms that survive it, will then look to thrive as a species and adapt to the environmental change.

Thanks for the thread