Could this be the beginning of the end for Europe?

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Then that is where the party must go.

It cannot continue in its current format, because it has totally abandoned its roots, and is now adrift, like a vast pondweed, disconnected from its anchor point.

a reply to: TrueBrit

If they had voted for the other Brother I bet they would have won the next election...he had a certain steel about him.

Europe will be fine until the Muslims realize that they have a duty to Allah to unite as One People and riot all across Europe and America. The beginning of the end for Europe was allowing all the Muslims to gather in their lands. Well, on top of Europe and America declaring War against Allah and the Koran.

a reply to: iosolomon

Tell us exactly how they are going to overrun us?
Excluding Turkey they amount to 6 %...are the other 94% gonna do nothing?.
Pfft fearmongering at best...ignorance at worst.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Even if the Labour party had voted for David instead of Ed Milliband, the fact is that the party STILL would lack legitimacy, or indeed any real claim to the working class roots they need, in order to have any real hope of actually BEING a Labour party. They no longer STAND for anything. We know who stands for the bigwigs, and we know who stands for the send them all home brigade, but there IS no representation for regular voters, who want nothing to do with seperationist policy, but do want jobs, pay which covers at least the living wage, rather than mark below it, a health service which can work effectively....

These are the traditional concerns of Labour voters, and they have not changed all that much. Ed Milliband, his brother, the whole lot of the Labour party... none of them know what it is like to live hard, and the ones that do forgot their roots. Until they replace the leadership with working people, and until someone who has held a REAL job is guiding the party, then I am afraid things will not change. We need some people with calloused hands and crooked spines, bent over with the weight of their toil, in the top of that party, or it will cease to have any importance at all.

a reply to: Korg Trinity

Let me post a video of Mr. Farage too, maybe you will believe him when he says that no one ever asked the German people about the EU or the €Z. (beginning @ 6:10)

a reply to: TrueBrit

I agree with you to be a politician you have to goto a top school and study politics, none of the guys in charge have been hungry, have had to pick between a warm fire or a hot meal and that means they can not understand the working class.
I wish one guy would come forward from any party and actually fight for the common man.

a reply to: boymonkey74

The main issue is, that politics has become a game of getting ones policy to stick, not making the policy fit the ethos of the people who voted for the party who table it.

That was tiresome when it started, but it has been happening for SO long now that I barely know where to begin!

a reply to: Rodinus

I've always thought that the EU was destined to fail. And always hoped that if it did, things would return to the status quo it once had. Without violence.

I say this as a American who has lived a good portion of my life in Germany.

Europe to be a actual Union would have to speak a common language all across the continent, not just finance. That right there is a big hurdle to jump. What would that language be? German? English? French? Spanish?

While I think that the EU was a good idea overall, I just think that it was poorly thought out and implemented.

a reply to: Rodinus
Why? Why it makes no difference what your money is called Pound, Euro, Franc or even blinkety blank. It still boils down to what the coin is worth and that my friend is definitely not under the ordinary mans control but international money people. They dictate, through moving and changing currencies about the globe, the interest rates of countries which in turn dictates how much your currency is worth. They are the ones that make or break countries or currencies not governments. There are Trillions traded every day on the markets and when they take their Billions as their cut where do you think it comes from? Remember they have produced not a single item to sell to cover their obscene cut. It comes out of my economy, your economy and whoevers economy that they can rape. They are multi-national. They want a multitude of currencies they can trade, the more the better. They want a multitude of nations because they have to hide their obscene profits from countries that will tax them. Do not think this is a conspiracy or a simple lie look for yourself at the markets. The truth is there in plain sight. People don't believe because it looks so simple but these people make and break countries.

originally posted by: crayzeed
I think you all aught to wake up and smell the roses. You are all believing the propaganda you're being fed. Whether you want to believe it or not but the NWO is here already. All the money, and money IS the power, is in the hands of globally owned banks, industrialist and assorted billionaires They control your life not any elected powers. The only way to fight these multi-national entities is to be global yourselves not retreating into nations. How far do you really want to take it then? Every nation,whether France, Germany or Britain, could split from the EU but lets not stop there every country can split up into city states. Can't you see that is what THEY want? Keep you split, control you better. As for the EURO. Since when has it mattered to the man in the street what his coin is called, it's what you can buy with the coin that matters and no single nation can dictate what that rate is. Look at the USA. Work hard the Dollar is strong. Still work hard but China and Russia suddenly goes off the Dollar and the purchasing power of the Dollar goes down. The only way to fight or try and control multi-nationals is to be multi-national yourselves not hide behind borders. OK the EUs not great but it worth fighting for not giving up on.

I have to strongly disagree.

People have a much louder individual voice when the government is local.

Just like we've lost the USA to the centralization of powers in DC; DC where the politicians care not who elected them, only who bankrolled them. The USA is a UNION also, very much like the EU has formed yet today we are a model of what NOT to do. Nothing ever gets taken care of in this nation because of the centralization of power.

Given a minimalist federal government (as envisioned by the founders), people might actually get involved in the political process again at the STATE level and something might actually get done. Same thing in Europe.

Decentralization of power keeps the politicians more true to their constituent.

originally posted by: 8675309jenny

originally posted by: crayzeed
I think you all aught to wake up and smell the roses. You are all believing the propaganda you're being fed. Whether you want to believe it or not but the NWO is here already. All the money, and money IS the power, is in the hands of globally owned banks, industrialist and assorted billionaires They control your life not any elected powers. The only way to fight these multi-national entities is to be global yourselves not retreating into nations. How far do you really want to take it then? Every nation,whether France, Germany or Britain, could split from the EU but lets not stop there every country can split up into city states. Can't you see that is what THEY want? Keep you split, control you better. As for the EURO. Since when has it mattered to the man in the street what his coin is called, it's what you can buy with the coin that matters and no single nation can dictate what that rate is. Look at the USA. Work hard the Dollar is strong. Still work hard but China and Russia suddenly goes off the Dollar and the purchasing power of the Dollar goes down. The only way to fight or try and control multi-nationals is to be multi-national yourselves not hide behind borders. OK the EUs not great but it worth fighting for not giving up on.

I have to strongly disagree.

People have a much louder individual voice when the government is local.

Just like we've lost the USA to the centralization of powers in DC; DC where the politicians care not who elected them, only who bankrolled them. The USA is a UNION also, very much like the EU has formed yet today we are a model of what NOT to do. Nothing ever gets taken care of in this nation because of the centralization of power.

Given a minimalist federal government (as envisioned by the founders), people might actually get involved in the political process again at the STATE level and something might actually get done. Same thing in Europe.

Decentralization of power keeps the politicians more true to their constituent.

Well Done!

Exactly



Korg.

originally posted by: ColCurious
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Let me post a video of Mr. Farage too, maybe you will believe him when he says that no one ever asked the German people about the EU or the €Z. (beginning @ 6:10)

Let me make this absolutely clear and for about the fourth time now....

I did not and am not saying that the German people want the Euro or the EU... I am saying that Germany as a country and the government therein Do want and do Love the EU and Euro.... and from the sounds of it are taking you the German people for a ride by forcing you to pay higher amounts of living costs to help them pay for the upkeep.

Understand now?

Korg.

a reply to: TrueBrit

The Labour party has abandoned it's working class roots because sadly everything is analysed to the nth degree and the battle for power is based on winning the "key marginal seats". Which effectively means that (total shocks apart) around about 70% of us live in areas where our opinions and issues count much less than the people who live in areas deemed as winnable seats. This is also why the main parties are against proportional representation.

Unfortunately many of those areas will not be those of an inherent working class population and the policies reflect this. Old fashioned British socialism, which stood for equality and opportunity for all, died in the 1970s. The further shift left in the 1980s and the split with the SDP badly hurt Labour and tarnished it's image for years.

There also seems to be a generation growing up since the 1990s who have been brainwashed into believing unions are bad and have no interest and no understanding of politics because of the blandness of today's politicians. So they either don't vote or treat it like the X-Factor and base their vote on who seems to have a 'nice personality'.

I can't say this is the same for Europe, but democracy here is pointless when the population either can't be bothered to vote or can't find anyone to fight their corner.

If I were to be objective, it seems to me that every country that Whites have set foot on have improved both genetically and economically(except for us though, but I guess we're the exception to everything.) The most beautiful Thai and Filipinos celebrities and pageant winners are mixed with Whites. On the other hand, you will never see a beautiful Chinese-Filipino mix, or a Chinese-Thai mix.

You can say that Whites immigration has done good for the other countries, you can't say the same about the Chinese, or any other races. In fact, it seems that by White countries accepting more immigrants, you get the reverse effect, and that is, Whites get worse economically and their gene pool gets diluted(even if you don't mix directly, immigrants take away resources which means less Whites will be able to have kids).

Also, in addition to all the inventions, I cannot think of a single cure for diseases or vaccine that Asians have come up with. Where is the Asian Louis Pascal? Honestly, it seems that Asians are only a level above Blacks, in terms of creativity.

Even something as simple as IQ test, BMI calculator, cholesterol measurements, if you left it to the Asians, they will never figure it out. Heck, even to the style of dress, you will see a difference in creativity. I mean, you will never see anyone
in the world wearing robes(except for us, but we do it for fun really) instead of shorts or bikinis. Perhaps there really IS a fundamental difference between the creativity of Whites and the rest.

To me, a fair solution would be that Whites keep their country pure, and the 3rd World Countries need to open up their countries instead. Fact is, Asians are far more racist than Whites(and in truth, the Japanese still have this idea of racial
superiority that if it weren't for the Internet and worldwide communication, and they were the only country with the atom bombs, the world could be very different. Certainly, it would be FAR more different if the Chinese were the only ones that possess them. The Koreans are also fairly racist. I would say that we are actually the least racist of all the Asians, kinda ironic given how many wars we fought and the fact that we are living under a communist regime).
It's up to the racist countries to open up, not Whites. All discussions about racial tolerance should be made in 3rd World Countries, and not just here.

I realize that I'm being pretty racist to my own race here, but hey, at least I'm Asian, and it's up to us to prove ourselves.

a reply to: monkofmimir
I respectfully disagree. Other than about 3 decades in the mid-late 19th Century, the United States has remained largely stable and high functioning while having a huge diversity of thought, opinion, ideology, race, ethnicity, religion, and lifestyle. Texas is very different from South Carolina which is very different from Utah which is very different from Rhode Island which is very different from Minnesota, etc. Tolerating differences - ie live your way and let others live theirs - is the ultimate way to keep the peace. It is only when centralizers attempt to force one size fits all solutions onto those who don't want them that war and violence occur.
Unfortunately for the US, its current leadership is trying to force it down the path that led Europe to these election results. Hopefully, upcoming elections here nip that foolishness in the bud.

originally posted by: Korg Trinity
I did not and am not saying that the German people want the Euro or the EU... I am saying that Germany as a country and the government therein Do want and do Love the EU and Euro.

Actually, I think I do understand now.
I read both our posts again and I think there might be a cultural difference here:
Yes, there is a centralist political class in Germany that wants the €uro and the EU.
But while they claim to represent German interests, they really do not.
For us - they are not "the country".
For us, our country are we the people, including our political academics, economists and representatives of our industry and commerce - and as I said - most of them do not love the EU and €uro. Hence my vehement protest when you said "Germany likes the Euro..."
I assume that this is different for you in the UK.

It doesn't really matter though - you oppose the EU centralists, as do I, and therefore I have no problem with you personally.

Have a good day.

I think Greece was the beginning of the end.

This is the beginning of the end of the end.

originally posted by: McGinty
I think Greece was the beginning of the end.

This is the beginning of the end of the end.

Perhaps not... perhaps it's the end of the beginning of the end and next it's the middle of the end

Or are you saying this is the end of the middle of the end and next is the beginning of the end of the end?

Because if it's the beginning of the end of the end then next it's the end of the beginning of the end of the end and after that it would be the beginning of the middle of the end of the end...



Korg.

I Hope it's the end for the EU, even looking in from outside its a bad idea.
If you take away a sovereign nations ability to self govern and you have hundreds of completely unelected bureaucrats swanning around making decisions, then you're asking for trouble.
Also trying to have a single currency when every country has a completely different economy and can be vastly richer/poorer than each other is madness.

The original trade agreement that was set up wasn't a terrible idea but it's morphed into something very, very different.