Creation Museum To Display Dino Skeleton It Says Proves Bible

I believe that dinosaurs lived a very long time ago. I also believe some may have lived as little as three thousand years ago. I cannot accept a lack of evidence as proof that they did not exist more recently, especially since the old writings talk about eating the dragons heart to gain eternal life. The Chinese also have a tradition of consuming dragon bone soup. Now, they use fossilized bones in their soup, but maybe the tradition has a base, maybe some of these freshly killed creatures were consumed not that long ago. Being that they used every part, there would not be evidence left.

Lack of proof cannot be used to discount something completely if there is a reason that there may not be proof. There are areas in this world where carbon dating fossils does not work. They appear to be only thousands of years old. Maybe they are not as old as the rest of the fossils. The science discounts these places as anomalies. They can't even explain why they are anomalies, they just say that it can't be right.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

HEHE!

I forgot the NOT...

I agree with you 100%...just not checking what I write lol!

Let me reiterate I have found NOTHING that states you will not be saved if you believe in evolution as well!

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit
Hey, if people can believe what Al Gore says about global warming, then they can believe in a great flood. It's that simple.

LOL

Spot on dude

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit
Hey, if people can believe what Al Gore says about global warming, then they can believe in a great flood. It's that simple.

Best post I seen all day, thanks.

originally posted by: solomons path

originally posted by: borntowatch
Well as a Christian who believes in creation I believe...
The belief the world is billions of years old is unprovable for many reasons, I think the geological time scale is old science, nearly two hundred year old, old science. That should be looked in to. Strangely the geo time scale has never been seen in nature.
That dinosaurs could have fitted on the arc, if they were juveniles, not fully grown. The idea of fully grown dinosaurs on the arc is silly, but many think like that
That old dragon myth is based on dinosaurs, dinosaurs were once called dragons.
That Nessie was/is a plesiosaur and many lake monsters are living dinosaurs. I believe some existtoday

I am not selling anythin, arguing with the OP, nice story, thanks
I am not looking for an argument, that is what I believe, sorry if it offends you.

And I like creation museums, why shouldnt we have them. If you are not interested in, dont go.

However . . . you don't know what your talking about, so there is that.

How do we know the age of the Earth?

Rock minerals naturally contain certain elements and not others. By the process of radioactive decay of radioactive isotopes occurring in a rock, exotic elements can be introduced over time. By measuring the concentration of the stable end product of the decay, coupled with knowledge of the half life and initial concentration of the decaying element, the age of the rock can be calculated. Typical radioactive end products are argon from potassium-40 and lead from uranium and thorium decay. If the rock becomes molten, as happens in Earth's mantle, such nonradioactive end products typically escape or are redistributed. Thus the age of the oldest terrestrial rock gives a minimum for the age of Earth assuming that a rock cannot have been in existence for longer than Earth itself.

Thus, when we talk about 4.5 billion years old . . . we are talking about the MINIMUM age of the Earth.

Scientists do not use one method to date anything . . . The geologic column is one method and nowhere near as accurate as radiometric dating.

As far as seeing in in "real time" . . . You've obviously never studied Geology?

So how does the Big Bang explain the elemental table and all that diversity....magic

Its ok, you dont need an answer, its called faith

originally posted by: Myollinir
a reply to: borntowatch

There is nothing to support your unbelief of an old universe in the bible, or if you believe the young universe is the answer.... All we have is a poetic account of creation, described in beautiful phases. It does not give proper time scale.. such as "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" - does it give a time scale for this? Does it say how long God hovered over the waters?

Don't throw away all of the intense and completely amazing work scientists have built up for us to walk on before we were born. So many great minds figured out insanely complex systems that we observe daily. Light has a finite speed, and stars can be measured how far away they are by triangulation, and by light spectrum... and years and years of work concludes stars being WELLLL over 6000 years away (light years, literally a years' long travel for light). In our physically designed world, it would be impossible for these stars to be 6000 years old if we are able to observe them. This fact alone crushes any young earth ideas... which aren't scientifically backed at all. Not to mention radioactive dating... And there is no conspiracy here......... I would encourage you to see the hard work, the entire lives of individuals into these subjects that explain the "hows" of the universe, where only human ignorance promotes "hows" out of the bible for things like how old is the earth... It's all about Jesus, not about science in the book. Science is irrelevant to salvation. Jesus is timeless and only speaks about your "whys", like why are you here.

The person quoting Proverbs above brings great scripture into play here

No I am sorry, there are to many unanswered questions regarding evolution for me to accept it like you

There is a simple answer to your 6000 year old star riddle, but you wont accept it so it doesnt matter.
You think I am ignorant because I only know creation, thats why I think you are ignorant, you only know evolutions answers.
I once studied evolution and geology for work
You believe in constants, you have to.
This world is not constant,
its alright, me believing in creation doesnt hurt you, really, it doesnt.
get over it
You believing in evolution doesnt hurt me, I dont mind that you do
I dont mind anyone who believes in evolution

Just think about it for a few seconds, what does it matter to you if I choose faith in creation over science.
Doesnt mean I dont acknowledge all science
If my kids are sick I pray on the way to the doctors
If I need to travel I pray for a safe journey, car boat or plane

I have at least 100 questions science cant answer regarding evolution, but you are saying I should believe in evolution any way?
Sorry, I dont submit to you or anybody who demands I believe in what I dont believe in

Just explain how the big bang started and then I may consider

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: borntowatch
I did read it but dont believe it, oops I am just a dumb fundy, brainwashed by (Christian) MSM
I am so sorry I disagree with you

You read all FOUR pages of that link thoroughly in the time I took to post that post and you post the one I'm replying to? I think you more likely (if anything) just read the first one.

Oops missed some of the pages
I will catch up latter

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: abeverage
a reply to: alienjuggalo

Pretty sure your salvation or anyone's for that matter will depend on their belief in either Creationsim or Evolution...

Not according to Christianity. According to Christianity, your belief in origins is irrelevant and your salvation depends on:

-Your belief in Jesus as the risen Christ, who died for the sins of the world

-Your belief in God, who created all things (the HOW in this case is not a condition of salvation, and I challenge anyone on this site to prove otherwise)

-Your willingness to do what is right, and admit your sins (and strive to the best of your ability to avoid the latter, and seek forgiveness when/if you fail in that regard).

If anyone can show me passages in the new testament that indicate a person is going to hell for not believing the earth is 6000 years old I'd love to see them.

God didn't create us with the amazing abilities our brains have so that we would deny our faculties of reason and logic. If we weren't intended to use our brains we wouldn't have them. It would seem some Christians don't realize this fact.

Finally, I'd just like to point out a simple fact to the fundies who use the ridiculous argument that Satan planted dinosaur bones to test our faith: I believe in dinosaurs that lived millions of years ago, and my faith is stronger than ever.

Perhaps it is time for Christians to look in the mirror? Maybe it is not my faith which is weak, but yours? If you are forced to deny scientific facts to uphold your view of God, perhaps the ground you are standing on isn't as solid as you supposed? Could it be perhaps, that your faith is so lacking that you must deny science because subconsciously you fear your faith will unravel if the notions you've had since childhood are challenged? Are you afraid that God Himself isn't big enough to operate in such a world view? Who are you to limit what He is capable of?

You know when I read a post like yours, a confessing Christian I assume, I dont think its done in love.
You know the bible states a strong faithful Christian, if he sees a brother who is week minded,
should be week minded with him, just out of love. Paul in the epistle to the Corinthians, should read it.

Well anyway my faith must be very week, I still believe in creation, my God can do anything.
Create the world in six days including Adam nad Eve

You are right but, believing in Jesus and showing the fruits of the Spirit is all a Christian needs to do.
So why make it more by saying evolution is right and creation is wrong

I'm just gonna say it. The only thing I noticed was the big Dino-boner. It makes me laugh, but will forever haunt me.

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: solomons path

originally posted by: borntowatch
Well as a Christian who believes in creation I believe...
The belief the world is billions of years old is unprovable for many reasons, I think the geological time scale is old science, nearly two hundred year old, old science. That should be looked in to. Strangely the geo time scale has never been seen in nature.
That dinosaurs could have fitted on the arc, if they were juveniles, not fully grown. The idea of fully grown dinosaurs on the arc is silly, but many think like that
That old dragon myth is based on dinosaurs, dinosaurs were once called dragons.
That Nessie was/is a plesiosaur and many lake monsters are living dinosaurs. I believe some existtoday

I am not selling anythin, arguing with the OP, nice story, thanks
I am not looking for an argument, that is what I believe, sorry if it offends you.

And I like creation museums, why shouldnt we have them. If you are not interested in, dont go.

However . . . you don't know what your talking about, so there is that.

How do we know the age of the Earth?

Rock minerals naturally contain certain elements and not others. By the process of radioactive decay of radioactive isotopes occurring in a rock, exotic elements can be introduced over time. By measuring the concentration of the stable end product of the decay, coupled with knowledge of the half life and initial concentration of the decaying element, the age of the rock can be calculated. Typical radioactive end products are argon from potassium-40 and lead from uranium and thorium decay. If the rock becomes molten, as happens in Earth's mantle, such nonradioactive end products typically escape or are redistributed. Thus the age of the oldest terrestrial rock gives a minimum for the age of Earth assuming that a rock cannot have been in existence for longer than Earth itself.

Thus, when we talk about 4.5 billion years old . . . we are talking about the MINIMUM age of the Earth.

Scientists do not use one method to date anything . . . The geologic column is one method and nowhere near as accurate as radiometric dating.

As far as seeing in in "real time" . . . You've obviously never studied Geology?

So how does the Big Bang explain the elemental table and all that diversity....magic

Its ok, you dont need an answer, its called faith

Moving the goalposts . . . how unlike a creationist to do that . . .

Well . . . The "Big Bang" doesn't explain the elemental table. If you want a cosmological "explanation" of the elemental table, you could use stars, their birth, creating new elements through fusion, and distribution on their death. However, the "Big Bang" says nothing about the elemental table.

As far as diversity . . . do you mean elemental or biological (as was the original conversation)? Either way, again, the "Big Bang" says nothing on these subjects; however, the stellar furnaces and modern evolutionary synthesis would provide you with some answers.

I'm not sure where faith comes in, except from your faith in the supernatural and that scientists somehow don't know what they are doing or are conspiring against a god.

And, none of that has anything to do with the original argument . . . dinos, humans, and floods . . . oh my. I'm assuming the fact that you so abruptly changed course in argument is because you have no apologetics blog/site that can do enough mental gymnastics to make a claim against the validity of radiometric dating?

a reply to: borntowatch

You know when I read a post like yours, a confessing Christian I assume, I dont think its done in love.
You know the bible states a strong faithful Christian, if he sees a brother who is week minded,
should be week minded with him, just out of love. Paul in the epistle to the Corinthians, should read it

I think you make some good points here. I apologize if my post came across as an attack. The bible does state we should treat others with love.

Well anyway my faith must be very week, I still believe in creation, my God can do anything.
Create the world in six days including Adam nad Eve

As for your faith being weak, if you were to find out tomorrow that the earth was MUCH more ancient than 6000 years old with proof that was 100% conclusive for you, what would happen to your faith? Can you answer honestly please?

BTW, I believe God could create the earth in 6 human days too, if he wanted to. However, the evidence we can see with our own two eyes clearly indicates the earth is much older (and so is the Universe). You mentioned you had an explanation for how stars are only 6000 years old. I would be interested in hearing that explanation. In the end, if we both agree that God is capable of ANYTHING (since he is, by very definition of being God), Why is it that he could not have used natural processes to bring about the Universe/Earth?

You are right but, believing in Jesus and showing the fruits of the Spirit is all a Christian needs to do.
So why make it more by saying evolution is right and creation is wrong

Why indeed? Why is it that some Christians insist on making the rest of us look bad by claiming Satan planted dinosaur bones and those of us who don't buy that explanation are going to hell?

As for evolution, You have made some good points in this thread about various holes in the theory. The theory of evolution has no answers for the origins of life itself, the Cambrian explosion, and many other problems that exist within it. The proof used for human evolution is far from rock solid, and the fossil remains used to demonstrate our transition from apes are not only sparse but lacking in diversity. That being said, it is still the best explanation we have for the current state of the fossil record. If you can prove otherwise, I'd be open to reading any material you'd like to present. All the material I've read on a Global Flood being responsible appears to be speculation with no real science behind it.

In the end however, we have excellent geological evidence for an ancient earth, as well as irrefutable data gleaned from physics, anthropology, archaeology, and paleontology. The sciences unanimously prove the earth is older than 6000 years, so questions about evolution still do nothing to support the idea of a 6000 year old Earth. I don't find any of that a threat to my faith (although I once did).

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
Why indeed? Why is it that some Christians insist on making the rest of us look bad by claiming Satan planted dinosaur bones and those of us who don't buy that explanation are going to hell?

Seriously?
They make us look bad?
Jesus died on a cross because the world hated Him, He stated the world would hate His followers. John 15
The world will always hate us, just as they hated Jesus. Its life as a Christian, did some one tell you it was going to be easy, if they did they lied, probably a Christian.
Its sad that some Christians make silly statements like the above, but they say that about you as well.
You cant change them but you can change yourself

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
As for evolution, You have made some good points in this thread about various holes in the theory. The theory of evolution has no answers for the origins of life itself, the Cambrian explosion, and many other problems that exist within it. The proof used for human evolution is far from rock solid, and the fossil remains used to demonstrate our transition from apes are not only sparse but lacking in diversity. That being said, it is still the best explanation we have for the current state of the fossil record. If you can prove otherwise, I'd be open to reading any material you'd like to present. All the material I've read on a Global Flood being responsible appears to be speculation with no real science behind it.

In the end however, we have excellent geological evidence for an ancient earth, as well as irrefutable data gleaned from physics, anthropology, archaeology, and paleontology. The sciences unanimously prove the earth is older than 6000 years, so questions about evolution still do nothing to support the idea of a 6000 year old Earth. I don't find any of that a threat to my faith (although I once did).

While I am no big fan of Kent Hovind (yeah I am, just quietly) he presents a good explanation of the creation story.
Kent Hovind is one of the most hated Christians on earth today, no doubt in my mind.
He is evangelical and well versed in creation science
He has online youtube dvds you can watch for free

Now not everything he says is kosher, Hovind is a hardline creationist who stirs the hardline evolutionist hornets nest.
Hardline evolutionists are the Kent Hovinds of their faith

Hovinds main problem is he becomes an antagonist
Hovind is the reason Dawkins stopped debating in public

Even me mentioning Hovinds name will upset the fundamental evolutionists, just watch, they cant help themselves

Ah what the heck, here is a link to a online Hovind video
www.3bible.com...

This thread will now get lively

originally posted by: solomons path


Moving the goalposts . . . how unlike a creationist to do that . . .

Well . . . The "Big Bang" doesn't explain the elemental table. If you want a cosmological "explanation" of the elemental table, you could use stars, their birth, creating new elements through fusion, and distribution on their death. However, the "Big Bang" says nothing about the elemental table.

As far as diversity . . . do you mean elemental or biological (as was the original conversation)? Either way, again, the "Big Bang" says nothing on these subjects; however, the stellar furnaces and modern evolutionary synthesis would provide you with some answers.

I'm not sure where faith comes in, except from your faith in the supernatural and that scientists somehow don't know what they are doing or are conspiring against a god.

And, none of that has anything to do with the original argument . . . dinos, humans, and floods . . . oh my. I'm assuming the fact that you so abruptly changed course in argument is because you have no apologetics blog/site that can do enough mental gymnastics to make a claim against the validity of radiometric dating?

Moving goal posts, no.

The big bang doesnt explain the diversity of elements
Ok how does a stars birth (ahem) create new elements, how does fusion create new elemental elements
What modern evolutionary synthesis would provide me with some answers, couldnt point me in a direction. Are stars in the know of how we can change lead in to Gold. Alchemy stars???

Faith comes in to it when you say stars make the diverse elements, there is no evidence or physics to justify that statement at all. You believe it without any proof, hence faith.


The original argument . . . dinos, humans, and floods, in my mind doesnt even start to form with out an explanation about the beggining.
You can believe in evolution, thats great
I cant until the foundation is built, the foundation for me is the big bang and how all the elements came from this big bang, from nothing, nothing that created all these amazing elements.

I am not arguing with you about your evolution, I am making a statement of my beliefs, and why my beliefs about biological evolution fall over at the Big Bang

Thats my position

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The idea of them being "planted" is ludicrous. But, the idea that genetic manipulation was possible back then and ensuing giants reptile and human alike is possible. Along with other mythological creatures that are believed to have walked earth. This idea is far fetched, but some scripture, legends and myths exist that support the idea. Perhaps, satan or lucifer or the light bringer and his peeps came to earth and taught us what we were not supposed to know and spoiled us and the eco system, these dinosaurs are what is left behind.

Either that or they just roamed the earth and back then somehow reptiles were prone to become humongous. Still, why we have these bones is still a mystery.

a reply to: borntowatch

Its sad that some Christians make silly statements like the above, but they say that about you as well.
You cant change them but you can change yourself

Nothing about my statement was silly. What is silly, is suggesting the devil planted dinosaur bones all around the world to deceive mankind. It's completely ridiculous.

As for Kent Hovind, I think I will side with the gigantic body of work that is modern science and academia, rather than take the word of a convicted felon who lied about his own scientific credentials.

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: alienjuggalo

This is just sad. I know there are people on this very site that actually share this belief, so let me ask those of you who do:

-How did human beings survive alongside dinosaurs?

-Why doesn't the bible say anything about dinosaurs in genesis? Wouldn't abraham have been fighting off dinos on his sojourn from mesopotamia? Seems like that might have been worth mentioning?

-How can you claim dinosaurs were running around with Adam and Eve in 5000 bc when we have clear evidence of human built temples, tools, and dwellings, that are ACCURATELY dated to thousands of years before that?

I am a Christian, but COME ON. Use some common sense.

Proverbs 18:15

An intelligent heart acquires knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge

Proverbs 12:1

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

Proverbs 15:14

The heart of him who has understanding seeks knowledge, but the mouths of fools feed on folly.

I could go on and on and on.

they killed them, what was left of them.

wasn't there Leviathan and something else that swam? maybe he didn't meet any?

and how do you know they were here only 7000 ya?

yea let's continue to divide ourselves over logical fallicies. Look no further than the star trek holodeck and to what may be our scientific discoveries in the future to see that everyone could be right in most ways. It is simply just a matter of understand and believing anything is possible but is limited to our desire and imaginations.

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: alienjuggalo

This is just sad. I know there are people on this very site that actually share this belief, so let me ask those of you who do:

-How did human beings survive alongside dinosaurs?

-Why doesn't the bible say anything about dinosaurs in genesis? Wouldn't abraham have been fighting off dinos on his sojourn from mesopotamia? Seems like that might have been worth mentioning?

-How can you claim dinosaurs were running around with Adam and Eve in 5000 bc when we have clear evidence of human built temples, tools, and dwellings, that are ACCURATELY dated to thousands of years before that?

I am a Christian, but COME ON. Use some common sense.

Proverbs 18:15

An intelligent heart acquires knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge

Proverbs 12:1

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

Proverbs 15:14

The heart of him who has understanding seeks knowledge, but the mouths of fools feed on folly.

I could go on and on and on.

they killed them, what was left of them.

wasn't there Leviathan and something else that swam? maybe he didn't meet any?

and how do you know they were here only 7000 ya?

Are you saying that God created dinosaurs alongside Adam in 4000 bc, and then people killed them all by the time the flood happened?

Meh. I just don't have it in me to argue about this. There isn't even any common sense in the idea that dinosaurs and people could have coexisted. Add to that the fact nobody has ever found dinosaur bones bearing marks from human tools or weapons (or human bones bearing dinosaur tooth marks). There are no written records or even pictographs of dinosaurs either, yet we have carvings of various animals that date far further back in history than 4000 bc. And this is just the evidence against such a notion if we completely ignore geology and carbon dating.

There is just too much scientific evidence that the earth is much older than 6000 years. We will have to agree to disagree, because if the body of scientific evidence hasn't changed your mind yet, I'm not sure anything will.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
I believe that the Earth is very old, yet I have a slight problem with the link you posted (and many others like it)
It is basically a circular argument.
They date the strata by the type of fossils it contains.
They then date the fossils by the strata it is found in.

Also got to love the fact apparently epic acts of God only happened in the past.


What happened. He got tired of wiping out entire species on a whim and is now off doing something else.

Maybe God was the first Omnipotent Gen-Y'er.




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