Creation Museum To Display Dino Skeleton It Says Proves Bible

Well this is always a fun debate .

The creationist Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky. plans to unveil a new attraction this weekend: a world-class Allosaurus skeleton.


But unlike other museums, where dinosaur skeletons are used to "indoctrinate our kids with belief in evolution," according to the institution, the Creation Museum's skeleton will serve as "a testament to the truths found in God’s Word."

The skeleton was dug up in Colorado in 2002 and the museum is saying it has one the 6 or 7 best skulls ever found with 53 teeth still in place.

They are saying that the intact skeleton of this allosaur is a testimony to an extremely rapid burial, which is confirmation of the global catastrophe of a Flood a few thousand years ago,

I don't think this is evidence of anything accept dinosaurs lived in Colorado.

I do not know what I believe when it comes to our origin, I want to believe the bible but I think evolution is just as possible and I don't rule out aliens.

I just don't know

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a reply to: alienjuggalo

the best question to as ken ham is = what did it eat ?

WOW. They will use ANYTHING to justify creationism being true, even saying dinosaur bones were planted by satan in one breath (that link is to a Christian forum with people discussing that issue, pretty funny read to see the ignorance spewed there) then we have these guys using dinosaurs to PROVE creationism. So which is it Christians?

originally posted by: alienjuggalo





They are saying that the intact skeleton of this allosaur is a testimony to an extremely rapid burial, which is confirmation of the global catastrophe of a Flood a few thousand years ago,

So a global catastrophe has to be a Biblical flood. Seems like one dimensional agenda driven style thinking.

a few thousand years ago,

*facepalm*

So because the skeleton is intact is proof of a flood? Well, I'll be! Seems they may have skipped over a few options there. What's a pyroclastic flow anyway. I believe unicorns (land narwhals) accidentally caused a landslide while grazing for cotton candy and gumdrops.

a reply to: alienjuggalo

Finally, an actual reason to go there. Instead of just laughing at them and throwing ancient fossils at the children, looking at this dino in its plastic cage would actually be educational.

originally posted by: Aleister
a reply to: alienjuggalo

Finally, an actual reason to go there. Instead of just laughing at them and throwing ancient fossils at the children, looking at this dino in its plastic cage would actually be educational.

Did you see that awesome thread with the virtual tour of the Smithsonian?

Well as a Christian who believes in creation I believe...
The belief the world is billions of years old is unprovable for many reasons, I think the geological time scale is old science, nearly two hundred year old, old science. That should be looked in to. Strangely the geo time scale has never been seen in nature.
That dinosaurs could have fitted on the arc, if they were juveniles, not fully grown. The idea of fully grown dinosaurs on the arc is silly, but many think like that
That old dragon myth is based on dinosaurs, dinosaurs were once called dragons.
That Nessie was/is a plesiosaur and many lake monsters are living dinosaurs. I believe some existtoday

I am not selling anythin, arguing with the OP, nice story, thanks
I am not looking for an argument, that is what I believe, sorry if it offends you.

And I like creation museums, why shouldnt we have them. If you are not interested in, dont go.

Actually it is the plaque found with the dinosaur that proves everything. After translation is says:

Bitey,
If only you would have eaten the snake when it came into the garden.
Your friend,
Adam

a reply to: alienjuggalo

This is just sad. I know there are people on this very site that actually share this belief, so let me ask those of you who do:

-How did human beings survive alongside dinosaurs?

-Why doesn't the bible say anything about dinosaurs in genesis? Wouldn't abraham have been fighting off dinos on his sojourn from mesopotamia? Seems like that might have been worth mentioning?

-How can you claim dinosaurs were running around with Adam and Eve in 5000 bc when we have clear evidence of human built temples, tools, and dwellings, that are ACCURATELY dated to thousands of years before that?

I am a Christian, but COME ON. Use some common sense.

Proverbs 18:15

An intelligent heart acquires knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge

Proverbs 12:1

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

Proverbs 15:14

The heart of him who has understanding seeks knowledge, but the mouths of fools feed on folly.

I could go on and on and on.

originally posted by: borntowatch
Well as a Christian who believes in creation I believe...
The belief the world is billions of years old is unprovable for many reasons, I think the geological time scale is old science, nearly two hundred year old, old science. That should be looked in to. Strangely the geo time scale has never been seen in nature.

Yes it has. You may not be looking for an argument but you are making claims that aren't true, so I'm going to call you on them.

How Old is the Earth: A Response to “Scientific” Creationism

There can be no doubt about the Earth’s antiquity; the evidence is abundant, conclusive, and readily available to all who care to examine it. The best evidence is contained in the Earth’s incomplete and complex but accurate stratigraphic record — a record that has been the subject of nearly two centuries of study. Slowly and painstakingly, geologists have assembled this record into the generalized geologic time scale shown in Figure 1. This was done by observing the relative age sequence of rock units in a given area and determining, from stratigraphic relations, which rock units are younger, which are older, and what assemblages of fossils are contained in each unit. Using fossils to correlate from area to area, geologists have been able to work out a relative worldwide order of rock formations and to divide the rock record and geologic time into the eras, periods, and epochs shown in Figure 1. The last modification to the geologic time scale of Figure 1 was in the 1930s, before radiometric dating was fully developed, when the Oligocene Epoch was inserted between the Eocene and the Miocene.

That's just the beginning, but I'm sure you won't read it. It makes it easier to deny that the evidence exists if you don't actually look at it and attempt to understand it.

Dinosaurs? That's tame. Remember the story about the Louisiana schools citing the Loch Ness Monster as proof of creation?

One of these schools — Eternity Christian Academy, in Westlake, Louisiana — utilizes the A.C.E. Curriculum Program, a Christian fundamentalist course of study that teaches students to "see life from God's point of view." And unbeknownst to most theologians, scientists, and amateur monster hunters, the Lord's viewpoint apparently incorporates Scotland's favorite cryptid.

Herald Scotland reports that a certain textbook in the A.C.E. curriculum transcends standard Creationist teachings and instead informs students that the Loch Ness Monster is proof positive that evolution never happened. (And here I always assumed Nessie was The Great Beast from the Book of Revelation.)

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..and from the original Herald Scotland source:

One ACE textbook – Biology 1099, Accelerated Christian Education Inc – reads: "Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence. Have you heard of the 'Loch Ness Monster' in Scotland? 'Nessie' for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur."

Another claim taught is that a Japanese whaling boat once caught a dinosaur. It's unclear if the movie Godzilla was the inspiration for this lesson.

That's a great Allosaur, for sure!

However - with respect to the religious views of the Creationist Museum - such a fine specimen should be in a museum of science where it can be studied by experts, used as an educational tool and simply enjoyed as a superb exhibit of something very interesting indeed.

I suspect God would prefer that, if I'm honest.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

I feel for ya man. Whenever a YEC person comes up and starts to debate his version of Christianity with you, just show him this: Pando (tree)

Pando (Latin for "I spread"), also known as The Trembling Giant,[1][2] is a clonal colony of a single male quaking aspen (Populus tremuloides) determined to be a single living organism by identical genetic markers[3] and assumed to have one massive underground root system. The plant is estimated to weigh collectively 6,000,000 kg (6,600 short tons),[4] making it the heaviest known organism.[5] The root system of Pando, at an estimated 80,000 years old, is among the oldest known living organisms.[6][7]

Hey, if people can believe what Al Gore says about global warming, then they can believe in a great flood. It's that simple.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Dinosaurs? That's tame. Remember the story about the Louisiana schools citing the Loch Ness Monster as proof of creation?

One of these schools — Eternity Christian Academy, in Westlake, Louisiana — utilizes the A.C.E. Curriculum Program, a Christian fundamentalist course of study that teaches students to "see life from God's point of view." And unbeknownst to most theologians, scientists, and amateur monster hunters, the Lord's viewpoint apparently incorporates Scotland's favorite cryptid.

Herald Scotland reports that a certain textbook in the A.C.E. curriculum transcends standard Creationist teachings and instead informs students that the Loch Ness Monster is proof positive that evolution never happened. (And here I always assumed Nessie was The Great Beast from the Book of Revelation.)

source

EDIT:

..and from the original Herald Scotland source:

One ACE textbook – Biology 1099, Accelerated Christian Education Inc – reads: "Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence. Have you heard of the 'Loch Ness Monster' in Scotland? 'Nessie' for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur."

Another claim taught is that a Japanese whaling boat once caught a dinosaur. It's unclear if the movie Godzilla was the inspiration for this lesson.

I... I just... don't even...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
WOW. They will use ANYTHING to justify creationism being true, even saying dinosaur bones were planeted by satan in one breath (that link is to a Christian forum with people discussing that issue, pretty funny read to see the ignorance spewed there) then we have these guys using dinosaurs to PROVE creationism. So which is it Christians?

As always with religion . . . it's whatever they want it to be, when they say it is. That's why you can never win an argument with the religious where "evidence" is concerned. Their whole worldview is based on believing in things that have no evidence to support it, so they can then claim that everything is evidence of their superstition.

It reminds me of the story that I heard a Buddhist monk tell at an interfaith conference. When Christian missionaries first encountered the Buddhists of the Far East, the Buddhists were very receptive to the message yet wouldn't convert (as in swear obedience in exchange for forgiveness). The answer they always gave was that the good parts of Christianity were already in Buddhism . . . why should they convert, thus taking on the "bad" as well? To which the Christians used the "because Christ suffered for us, so we don't have to". The Buddhist's response was "and yet there is still suffering".

Anyway . . . BOT - Even if the geology surrounding the find led to the conclusion of a "rapid burial", it only provides evidence of a "rapid burial". It does not imply anything about the validity of Judeo-Christian mythology or a global flood, heck "rapid burial" doesn't even suggest a flood of any kind. It could just have easily been a mudslide or some such thing. Regardless of how many teeth were still in the skull . . .

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
WOW. They will use ANYTHING to justify creationism being true, even saying dinosaur bones were planted by satan in one breath (that link is to a Christian forum with people discussing that issue, pretty funny read to see the ignorance spewed there) then we have these guys using dinosaurs to PROVE creationism. So which is it Christians?

Wow what a horrible website

I bet that is how you see all Christians, fortunately not all Christians are like that.

Dont judge every Christian by what Landover church says

But they are a little out there, there is a conspiracy in that place

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Hello friend

If you're referring to the christians who realize science is greatly valuable, and the bible isn't a science book and does not make specific enough claims to even enter the territory of dating, dinosaurs, and evolution - then I think Ken Ham is an arrogant, closed-minded and hasty individual, as well as his team of "christians". You can spin the beginning of the book any number of ways and everyone can argue their point. The only point the beginning of the book has is, God was the reason it all started. It is nowhere near specific enough to make scientific claims... although claiming "God was the cause" or even "God exists" is an anti-empirical claim anyways to begin with...

At any rate, science is the reason we can talk right now. Science is the reason we are healthy. If what most scientists are saying is wrong, someone will come through with a publication and challenge the masses. It has happened time and time again. Eventually the story will keep getting clearer and clearer, but at the moment I have no reason to believe the earth is only a few thousand years old, especially based off of the bible. When we have plain mathematics, which do not lie, and we can measure distance from stars, and the elements' radioactive decay of our own earth... there is no contest for young earth creationists... only ignorance.

When it comes to the bible, keep it focused on Jesus, or if you don't believe it's true keep it focused on the character of Jesus. That's the only reason the book exists.... not to give us scientific knowledge... but people don't like hearing that

I did read it but dont believe it, oops I am just a dumb fundy, brainwashed by (Christian) MSM
I am so sorry I disagree with you