America's Future Interceptor

Anyway, if that's what 8g's does to someone - I don't think anyone could survive 15g's

because the most G's any person has done was 11,

make the question to an su26 pilot, those guys do that everyday, you can hold higher gs, but only by very short time (17-18gs also was exerimented).

American Mad, Bios,Jetseller,Shattered,etc....

in this industry (aerospace) often there is much propaganda, because almost always the corporations play with the "national reputation"

Bios, im not anti-american, i just want discuss this topics with objectivity, the russians had made also sucker-planes, the saturn 5 is propaganda its an modified f15, again the f110-100 aceleration suck in medium heigh and high speed (near M1) -the two factors, speed and heigh separated-, if you have your brain filled by magazines, well thats your problem...

the f22 is an good plane but is very overrated.

yes i need to type a better english

i cant understand why the people cant accept the raptor M1.8 max speed, btw the f22 can reach M1.9 in a dive

maneuverability is very important in a fight of STEALTH vs STEALTH, an the russians knows that...







[edit on 5-12-2004 by grunt2]

maneuverability isn't just important on dogfighting, it's also important in BVR because, when u ar getting tracked by something, u can maneuver u're plane out of the enemies HUD so that he can't lock-on to u, another very underrated feature is ceiling or max alltitude, it is very important, because if a plane can go 10000 feet higher than u, u have a very small chance in destroying him, because he can dive down and shoot a missile right on top of u, anyways, thats all i have to say

Top speed is not very importan anyways. To reach top speed you would have to use the afterburners. That uses a lot of fuel very fast and pilots usually do not use afterburners.

I definitly agree that the F/A-22 is HIGHLY over-rated...it's an excellent aircraft which will replace the F-15 pretty well, but it's not as wonderful as people try to make you believe...

Dima, for once I agree with you, BVR is the most important factor...

CURRENTLY, the Russians have the -BEST- air to air missiles...

The R-73 (AA-11 Archer) is superior to the AIM-9, esspecially the M1 and M2 upgrades...However I have little data on the AIM-9X...

the R-77 (AA-12 Adder) Is definitly the better MRAAM, the AIM-120C simply cannot compare to it's capabilities, the R-77 has a longer range, even if it doesn't initnally detects a F-22, but when it does, the aircraft equipted with the R-77 has first-shoot capability, and the AIM-120 Extended Range upgrade doesn't seem to be coming in the near future...don't forget the training excercise with the American F-15's VS Indian SU-33's...

the R-27 (AA-10 Alamo) (esspecialy the RE variant) can target ALL modern US aircraft way beyond their own missile range, this missile has a range of 130km for the RE version and 120 for the TE version but with increased manauverability, limited information is available at www.globalsecurity.org...

We can NOT deny that Russia has an upper hand, I don't know reliable russian systems are compared to American systems, but it seems they are reliable according to most sources...

I hope you know why I stretch the importance of an American made Advanced Long Range AAM...the AIM-120C isn't good enough anymore...

I am not bashing America, I love America, My wife is American...But DO NOT BE IGNORANT...DENY IGNORANCE! America still has a long way to go before they have complete Air Dominance, have you ever noticed how far other countries are getting with their technology? if Russia had the funds to produce better aircraft, they'd had Stealth Aircraft a long time ago...

And everyone knows where Russian equipment goes to...

GRound Zero what nationaily are u? jus curious cuz i don't know that many people in these forums that will go "against" the americans like that unless their russia, but anyways.let me see if i can get hat site that gives some info on the AIM-9X, i compared the AA-11 to it in the summer and deducted that it is superior, just wait..........................k, i wasn't able to get any sites on it, but they do state that its a competitor to the ASRAAM

The ASRAAM stands a good chance on competing with the AA-11...if not better than it, I do believe the US is going to equip their F/A-22's with them...

I am from the Netherlands, I "try" not be be biased so I try my best to give unbiased opinions...

It does annoy me that most Americans think they are the best in the world, this is not true, absolutely not true...

No country is perfect, some just are better at one thing than the other, and that is what those nationalist patriots lack...they can't admit the other country might be better at something...

Like I stated before, I look up at all technology world-wide, I love it all...

But I don't like people over-inflating the capabilities of things...

oh sry then i like people like u, good finally one good person here

Heh, I just hope I wont step on too many people's toes because if I hear things not true about American equipment I will have to proof them otherwise...

Ground Zero,

I wouldn't believe everything you hear about Russian missiles either. They over-rate these also to encourage foreign sales.

When the USN bought some KH-31's to use as target drones, they couldn't even get 1/2 of the range the Russians claimed. Some were running out of fuel and dropping into the ocean after only 8 miles.

The US went as far as to send engineers from Boeing and McDonnell Douglas to Russia to re-engineer the missiles to try to get them to meet the Navy's requirements. Even after that, they still underperformed and the Navy finally gave up trying to use the KH-31, and went to the Vandal for SSST.

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I'm not sure that the US is going to get the ASRAAM, I think they chose the US AIM-9X instead, though the ASRAAM has been selected by the RAF and several other air force.

Dima, I don't think anyone except you and your buddies is interested in 'going against America' for the sake of it, or going against anyone else either, well except for a certain grudge against China that keeps surfacing, what I, for one, am interested in is talking about aircraft and their merits and faults wherever they are from. I will argue with you if I think you are wrong and I have had MANY an argument with several Americans on here as long time members may have noticed. I care not where you are from, merely whhat you are saying. That is howe I believe it should be. The truth does not belong to any country.

[edit on 7-12-2004 by waynos]

Let me make one thing clear, I am not Dima's friend, I just look OBJECTIVELY to both sides of the coin...

So we are pretty much alike Waynos.

Dima thinks I am taking sides with him...but I am not pro-anything.

I understood that from your posts, I meant Dima's buddies from his hidey hole site where he gets his arguments from

i dont know whats the problem of all the members with dima, tsss...is just a child......i had read more stupids arguments or "facts" from jetseller, engieener, american mad etc.....

LOL yeah that's true, everyone is human and makes their mistakes...

I am happy you guys understand my PoV

sorry,post in wrong position

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Originally posted by grunt2
i dont know whats the problem of all the members with dima, tsss...is just a child......i had read more stupids arguments or "facts" from jetseller, engieener, american mad etc.....

I don't have a problem with Dima when he is talking about facts, hell, it was me who told him about the cancelled 1947 Su-17 supersonic fighter

My problem is when he, or anyone else, starts talkng about 'going against America' whether the facts support it or not and when he says that, if you should agree that certain 'pro- American' arguments are factually correct then you are somehow 'up americas ass'. This not debate, it is propagandist baiting and has no place in a serious discussion.

Surel;y the arguments should be about what is right, not who you like best?

wayno, dima is just a child, he likes to talk with him heart, but not with him head, anyway i found some good comentries from dima, but im also read absurdest arguments, hell even from you!!!!

[edit on 7-12-2004 by grunt2]

Originally posted by grunt2
wayno, dima is just a child, he likes to talk with him heart, but not with him head, anyway i found some good comentries from dima, but im also read absurdest arguments, hell even from you!!!!

[edit on 7-12-2004 by grunt2]

I'm sure you have, I'm not the 'Brain of Britain', I only just qualify as the 'Brain of Our House'

PS I will say when somenone proves me wrong, and I have done, not just argue on and on endlessly...............unless I know I'm right

Originally posted by COOL HAND

Originally posted by ghost
While we are on titles, the Correct title is Fleet Air Defense Fighter!

Wrong, every F-14 driver I have met has called it the fleet defender. Heck even the Navy still goes by that term. They no longer look to associate themselves as Fighters only now that they undertake attack missions as well. They have encompassed surface strike as a mission and defend the fleet from air and surface targets.

An Air Defense Fighter is another term for an interceptor. I know this because I have a book on the Century Series fighters, both the F-102 and F-106, which flew for air defense command, were listed in the book as Air Defense Fighters!

Well, try reading a different book where they explain the differences to you.
An interceptor is designed to shoot off at high speeds to intercept aircraft as far away as possible. It does not have a long loiter time, nor can it dogfight for too long without having to refuel/rearm.
An Air Defense Fighter is meant as a tactical weapon that is used over a battlefield, or for local defense missions.

The F-14 mission was to Protect the fleet from bombers and cruise missiles! The reason they went to the term Fleet Air Defense Fighter or Air Defense Fighter is because the plane was also equiped to handle escort fighters as well as bombers and cruise missiles, hence the term Fighter-Interceptor!

Where are you getting all of that from?

Research really can be your best friend, If you do it Correctly and Finish It!

Sound advice for you to take as well Tim.

I have a Book called Century Series Fighters where I got most of my information from. I also got supporting infomation from two other books: The first one is called Encyclopida of Modern Military Aircraft, and the Second is called Jane's All the World's Aircraft from 1903 to the Present. In the former of the two books, there is a whole section that talks about the F-16 Air Defense Fighter (A modified F-16 varient) that is now used as NORAD's main Intercepter!

So, where are you getting your information from? I've sited my Sources, now you site your!

Tim
ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

Originally posted by ghost
I have a Book called Century Series Fighters where I got most of my information from. I also got supporting infomation from two other books: The first one is called Encyclopida of Modern Military Aircraft, and the Second is called Jane's All the World's Aircraft from 1903 to the Present. In the former of the two books, there is a whole section that talks about the F-16 Air Defense Fighter (A modified F-16 varient) that is now used as NORAD's main Intercepter!

So, where are you getting your information from? I've sited my Sources, now you site your!

Tim
ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

Okay, now go back and reread what I was asking for.

I wanted to know where you got all of your F-14 information from. I could care less about what you know about the F-16.