Leo XIII vision of 100 years reign of Satan pass in Summer 2014?

originally posted by: ImaFungi
Yes I am thankful to you because you provide a lot of information and care about the topic.

Thank you for your detailed answer and time spent. Although I do not share your interpretation at some points.

I also want to know who "They" refer to, and many people may want to know, too. It is understood there are several players and it is not clear who finally wins.

That's why the text must start to be interpreted by Bible scholars who instead satisfy themselves with paradigms that proved their futility by now (EU= beast? Eu doesn't have the entire Roman empire territory and is not a military power of that scale). They prefer to blindly follow their 60's constructions on the establishment of Israel, and the generation dies off. Then what? I am asking them. They have no answer.

originally posted by: ImaFungi
a reply to: 2012newstart


What is the importance of the manchild in revelation, what does he do?

His rapture in Revelation 12 (literally the Latin word Raptus Est) marks the start of the war in heaven/ space between the Armies of Archangel Michael and Satan. Satan took 1/3 of the stars even before the start of the war. It is pretty physical and not spiritual war. It may last for long. It doesn't negate the spiritual war in higher heaven that took place at the beginning of creation when Satan chose to become evil spirit. This war is later, and involves the fight for control of the material creation, such as stars and their civilizations. Satan loses but not without fierce fight.

The war in Rev. 12 can start only after the rapture of the manchild. The Revelation is precise.

If you see in the place of the raptured manchild baby Jesus, or the grown up Jesus on ascension day, and Mother Mary fleeing into the desert alone, not with the baby (as they did), or if you see only symbolism as the church writers did for centuries, then it is your views. I cannot help but wonder when that will take place in the real world. Because it didn't until now, and we don't have as a result the draconians falling from the stars. If all prophecy is symbolic, what the real need of it, in first place. One can interpret the way one likes it, the way it fits contemporary political/other agenda.

originally posted by: 2012newstart

originally posted by: ImaFungi
Yes I am thankful to you because you provide a lot of information and care about the topic.

Thank you for your detailed answer and time spent. Although I do not share your interpretation at some points.

I also want to know who "They" refer to, and many people may want to know, too. It is understood there are several players and it is not clear who finally wins.

That's why the text must start to be interpreted by Bible scholars who instead satisfy themselves with paradigms that proved their futility by now (EU= beast? Eu doesn't have the entire Roman empire territory and is not a military power of that scale). They prefer to blindly follow their 60's constructions on the establishment of Israel, and the generation dies off. Then what? I am asking them. They have no answer.

Instead of just saying you dont agree with my interpretation at some points I would have preferred you stated which points they were, to help me, and maybe help you.

The term beast used in what sense? I always felt the term beast used in the bible referred to men of lowly nature, non pious, non righteous, not nice, sinning people...you know, like how unruly animals are referred to as beast. Vicious people, who harm others. The beast is the animal ways of humanity, when compared to what is not beast like, that which is graceful, and kind, and godly, and righteous manly.

a reply to: 2012newstart

It can be symbolic but still referred to exact things, meaning there is still a right interpretation, and the one symbolic word here and there that you may think means something, would just mean your theory is wrong. If the word dragon does not refer to flying fire breathing lizards or aliens, but is just a descriptive word to describe the emotions of a human, whose fault is this, yours or the writers of the bible? Is this about you and what you want?

Thank you for the information about the man child, I am still curious if you woudlnt mind to tell me what role he plays? How will people know its him, what does he actually do?

Why is there only one bible version that refers to 'man child' instead of 'male child' like the others? biblehub.com...

a reply to: 2012newstart

"If Fatima - 3 has been cancelled"

What are you referring to? What is Fatima-3?

a reply to: ImaFungi
I appreciate your interest and also different views than mine. I think I wrote quite a lot, and I myself don't know much more than already shared. What o you want me to say more than already said?

The manchild, if not Jesus himself as I explained above, could be a combined image of those raptured in the future when the End times come (I think it is not right now, I might be wrong!). To be distinguished from the woman fleeing in the desert - those who will be given protection while still on earth, or flying to somewhere else. What is the difference between the two groups, I don't know. I already talked about the different groups in Revelation 12-14.

Whether the manchild is also a single person, I'd rather think - not, unless we assume Jesus has descendants that is not proven at this moment. (And the churches MUST speak about the other gospels found that say Jesus had wife!!! It is not I or any poster to prove that in a forum!!!)
Because it is unlikely Jesus to re-incarnate again and become a baby to be raptured. And I think John saw a vision for the future, not for the past. I don't support preterist views. John didn't see the history already happened in the year 90 AD when he supposedly wrote the Apocalypse.

So in summary, I don't know whether the manchild refers to someone who already came after Jesus (descendant) and was raptured, whether it is a summary image of the group of all raptured, or whether it is a future person to come, probaby from the lineage of Jesus if such exists. Again, I don't know. In first place we need more data from those Gospels that pop up and the Churches must not wash their hands as Pontius Pilate and must tell us the truth!

I think the dragon is pretty real being, as well as the draconians. it is not symbolism. But if you think so, then you will find supportive theories and theologians because many are those who think of symbolism first. It doesn't need to be wrong. It doesn't negate the real evil beings at the same time.

One can interpret the beast in more ways than the dragon, since it is said he is both kings, kingdoms, in both history and at the time of his rising, and also a single man. So one can elaborate based on the info of Revelation.

As well as who exactly is the great whore Babylon. As "mother of all harlots", one can rule out easily the much newer cities that rule the world today.

Fatima-3, oh I have 3 threads about it. Can't repeat it all over again.

Duke Puntalangit is back! dsfalar.wordpress.com...
He gives his real name! Dominic Lerias Sanchez

I don't agree with his prophecy, anyway it is something that is put online. It is terrible for Rome if true.

As I followed all prophecy of Duke Puntalangit/Dominic in his former site and discussed with him directly via comments, I find him as a person who is ready to discuss, explain, and even back off when he feels he is not right. That self-criticism, under the fire of 50+ commenters, took dramatic size and he closed the website. Moreover, a date set for Middle East war didn't materialize.

Now we have mideast war and Ukrainian conflict. Now Duke/Dominic comes with his real name (above). It is 100% it is the same person because he writes the same in the part for the popes.

I don't understand his prophecy of the last popes. I don't think it is going to happen in that way. I have what to ask Duke more, as example for the role of the dragon, are they draconian ET.

It is better to let him speak and not shut him up again by massive posters attack. I do not defend his prophecies, I take them as notice, and I sympathize the person behind the prophecies who is a devote philippino catholic.

Here are some quotes of his website, that need utmost scrutiny in discernment:

“… Sacrilege, blasphemy and outrage will ever increase under Francis and until the end of Benedict XVI who will return as Anti-pope. The true pope will be in exile during the first half of the coming war. Francis will be murdered by his former allies… Benedict XVI by a mob, the Pope of Fatima by agents of the Anti-Christ.

“… Rome will reveal (admit) the True Third Secret of Fatima before the next Papal Conclave and Benedict XVI will return as Anti-Pope to challenge the canonically elected Pope. He will die a cruel death in the hands of a mob during the early stages of the great war. The Pope of Fatima will be in exile until the middle part of the great war when he shall return to Rome and restore the Church. After the restoration, the Pope of Fatima will die through an assassination and immediately thereafter, the Anti-Christ will rule the world. The True Church will be scattered and in most places hidden from then onwards, until the return of our Lord and God Jesus Christ…“

In other words, Duke/ Dominic predicts end times scenario now. Isn't the antichrist a political person and not religious one? What s the role of the ET? I'd like if he responds. Better move to the comment section there.

a reply to: 2012newstart

I think the end times will happen or start to happen between now and the next 20 years. And mainly has to do with technology, poverty, political corruption, religious corruption, education, enlightenment, energy, water, food, people getting tired of the bad governments and bankers, protesting and stuff, 'push will come to shove' and something drastic has to happen, there will be no other choice soon, population ever rising, more poor, more war, more money wasted, more strict government laws, etc. Isnt there mention that the anti christ will offer 'amazing technology' of some kind? I had a feeling or idea maybe the end times have to do with technological singularity, maybe technology that improves things so drastically, energy device of some kind or something, that revolutionizes the world, that it will threaten many systems and institutions. Many theorize such devices already exist at least in beginner stages, but who knows.

a reply to: ImaFungi

I agree with you in principle. If nothing changes the current course leads straight into the Bible predicted end times.
For the tech it already exists. What we know is a small part of what exists.
As everything of physical nature tech that doesn't have free will to decide on its own, it can be used for good or for bad. (are there smart machines and robots who can make decisions? IDK). It is terrible to see how the machines outsmart us. Coupled with all the problems of the world you just mention, that is inevitable to bring what Revelation speaks about.

IF something happens beforehand to stop it, if God's plan is Not to allow the "end times" now but later in times known to Him alone, then we should expect such an intervention. Be it of natural or other character. Unfortunately, it just keeps not happening for all those years people expect it. And they started expecting it in 1960s or so. They almost died while waiting for it, be it Great Warning, be it Ashtar coming, be it Nibiru in later years.

Now preachers are fast to say Great Trib starts 2014 and ends 2017 Armageddon, because of a number of reasons connected to Jewish history and calendar. Actually I will be very glad to meet Jesus in 2017. But I think with all their honesty and thorough study of the Bible, they are wrong. They can't know the time. So is Duke Puntalangit who is a devote catholic and even obeys local bishop not to write something, as he himself says. So is Joe Coleman who predicted similar time frame.

The postponement of End times is not in prophets' hands, and what they saw rightly or wrongly may lie in more distant future. The example of Daniel's 70th week postponement is clear enough.

Only I hope God acts fast enough because otherwise the generation who saw Israel will simply die off. That is not a tragedy by itself, the good ones will inherit the heaven! But still for some, for many, it will be a gross fail of Biblical prophecy of Israel. Faith in that will be lost after 20y.

NASA's Warp Drive? Starship IXS Enterprise become reality

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What is it they know and we don't?
How about a prophecy that matches civilization development and advances such as hyperspace drive, coupled with recently discovered habitable planets in our cosmic neighborhood?
How about if that coincides with ELE of any kind on Earth? It is too much of coincidence.
I don't believe any particular prophet of nowadays, taken for himself alone. I compose the puzzle. Everyone of you could do if you want it.

If that timeline is developed, it will be hard for the antichrist to come because the humankind would have been moved to other planets and therefore the requirement for Armageddon on Earth wouldn't be met. It has to wait until restoration of life on Earth after unknown eons of time. You have pretty concrete conditions for the antichrist, such as the ex-Roman empire, Jerusalem, the Temple, may be Assyria. If that all is gone, then where is his kingdom as well? Nowhere until that all is restored as conditions. As of today I don't see the Roman empire restore, neither the temple of Jerusalem. It may happen one day but it is still not a reality. A large pause in prophecy could be introduced again with the advancement of the space flights and resettlement of humanity.

St Malachi speaks of only one more pope in Rome, Petrus Romanus. Since Beneict clearly fulfilled the last pope in the list before Petrus, I tend to believe Francis is Petrus Romanus although he didn't take that same name.

I disagree with Duke and other nowadays prophets who see multiple numbers of popes or less numbers, than those in St Malachi, and who include the antichrist too.

Malachi speaks of a terrible judge to come, but he doesn't name the judge as Jesus Christ. That always puzzled me. I would think of it not as the final Second Coming of Jesus, but as Chastisement. Perhaps even St Peter or any other personage of the Bible could play that role for temporal chastisement. As many catholic prophecies speak of such event (chastisement) followed by the era of peace, without necessarily connecting it to the End times.

If Petrus Romanus is the last pope ON EARTH the way we know papacy, it doesn't necessarily mean End times here and now. The humanity may continue its temporal journey on another planet and leaded spiritually by leaders successors but not "bishops of Rome" since Rome on Earth may not exist at that time. Or at least be not relevant or not connected to that other place, except for the succession. I don't know the events. I only guess.

Then it makes perfect sense the terrible judge in Malachi to be anyone not Jesus himself, and Petrus Romanus to be the last pope, ON EARTH. Without messing up with the antichrist and the end times for now. It may be reserved for other eras on restored earth.

There are precedents and more than once. Dinosaurs' extinction event, as well as the much later Flood in Bible history time.

I don't say the earth ends its habitable form tomorrow. It may take many years. But the trend is clear. Without massive intervention we run out of resources, clean water, air, ozone. Plus unknown cosmic rays, solar eruptions, and possibly Nibiru. No one knows the picture, and whoever knows it doesn't tell it in plain language. We had the precedence of delusional set date of 12/2012. The exit way could be prolonged not to 7- 40 days as in Noah's time but to years. It is up to those who decide it, because we don't build arcs. Actually, NASA works on that, as you can see above.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Peter "the Roman" is the sitting pope. He's the last one on Malachy's list and during Francis' reign Rome is supposed to fall. Or at least burn. Francis lives in Rome, and can be seen walking to work at the Vatican as a commoner, renting a modest apartment outside the Vatican walls where he keeps a low profile like any other academic.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
You have pretty concrete conditions for the antichrist, such as the ex-Roman empire, Jerusalem, the Temple, may be Assyria. If that all is gone, then where is his kingdom as well? Nowhere until that all is restored as conditions. As of today I don't see the Roman empire restore, neither the temple of Jerusalem

What does it say about antichrist and ex roman empire and the temple? I know you hate when I just ask simple questions, but in my opinion the best way to solve a problem is to first simplify into the main key elements. I have a very potentially broad view and open mind and no bias, I take everything into consideration. The roman empire 'has been restored' and is one of the sole empires functioning, it pretty much 'is the western world'. I know I said I have no bias, but one theory I do have that I do sort of believe, is that the roman empire used religion evily as a tool, to convert the world to western ideals, this is the roman empire that exists, the fact that nations all over respect the pope and Vatican. Is the man of sin the anti christ? Here is what I think; the powers that be behind the scene want to 'go into the next stage of humanity' but they are waiting, they are at the top they can enjoy their position for eternity and wait they dont mind they are living it up, but they are waiting for the rest of the world to demand for 'the next stage of humanity to come, for the ways of the world to change', and like prophesied, there is usually, or for some reason their needs to be 'one' polarizing figure to lead the way, 'the messiah', 'the savior', etc. The powers that be know that things about the bible and the beliefs it perpetuates are wrong, this is why vatican doesn't let any historians or academic or scholar into their libraries, the prophecy knows that the figure that comes will prove to the people that the religion is wrong, this is why the prophecy says the roman church or whatever will be destroyed, and why there will be a last pope, if you can handle it, I believe its a symbolic or metaphorical destruction, disbanded, ended. And this will be the start of the new age.

a reply to: 2012newstart

It will be quite a while before man travels to another planet, probably not beginning till 150 years and then maybe im way off and its like 300 or more years. Earth will be fine, there will be revolution and 'war between good and evil' and if prophecy is correct, a 1000 year reign of peace will come from it.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Actually, I think his apartment is inside the walls of the Vatican. Doesn't matter. His style is certainly to break traditions.

On the other hand that may be good and he may usher the new era of peace, as I tried to explain, without the need of bloody transition. I don't know if he will succeed and if it will happen, but I want to believe it will be the case with the end of the century of satan.

Thank you for your posts

a reply to: ImaFungi

If it is posted NASA works on that, or one scientist there, we can take it for almost certain it is already done thing. From here to the moment of the actual travel of common people, don't know how long it takes. IMO it needs a year max.two that to be announced. Depending on all the rest of events. You don't leap for one year to the next on the moon. You build the rockets for decades. The same here. I suppose they are already built up.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
Although I don't agree with it, I have to say there is a theory that the 7 heads of the beast of revelation are the 7 leaders of USSR. The problem is they are more in number, if we count all of them
Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, Gorbachev = 7
Yeltsin, Putin = ?

I thought the 7 heads was the 7 dwarfs and Snow white was the great whore

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Actually, I think his apartment is inside the walls of the Vatican. Doesn't matter. His style is certainly to break traditions.

On the other hand that may be good and he may usher the new era of peace, as I tried to explain, without the need of bloody transition. I don't know if he will succeed and if it will happen, but I want to believe it will be the case with the end of the century of satan.

Thank you for your posts

Hehe. Oh my, I must have been mistaken

www.thecatholictelegraph.com...

The large living room or salon of the apartment is located directly above the papal library where official audiences with visiting bishops and heads of state are held. [...] the apartment window overlooking St. Peter’s Square [...] The apartments contain a chapel, an office for the pope and a separate office for his secretaries, the pope’s bedroom, a dining room, kitchen and rooms for two secretaries and for the household staff.

Humble apartment. With a chapel and a rather wicked view!

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: 2012newstart
Although I don't agree with it, I have to say there is a theory that the 7 heads of the beast of revelation are the 7 leaders of USSR. The problem is they are more in number, if we count all of them
Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, Gorbachev = 7
Yeltsin, Putin = ?

I thought the 7 heads was the 7 dwarfs and Snow white was the great whore

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