The reasons behind Ukraine and WW3

a reply to: JesusChristwins

I'm no advocate of war. I don't know all the facts of the state of these country's.

But there is something fishy stirring up in that boiling pot of area with money & "power" by those who are hungry for more.

Hope it will never come to that and we will as a human race humbly succumb to the three princips: love/care/compassion, belief (in god and men) and hope.

Bless you

a reply to: DreamerOracle

ATS majority, including myself, believe that Global Warming is a Myth!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

^ Here are the results of the ATS poll.



a reply to: Bitola

www.inewsgr.com...

Read please what you former minister says. Is he part of the Greek "propaganda" too? He "lies" too?




I would suggest you open a book or two, pay a visit to some archeaological museums to see with your very eyes that Slavs appeared in the Balkans 1000 years after Alexander's the Great death.

You could also reply in regards of the video below and check through very simple questions who is lying to you about the Makedonia's history, is it history and me or your politicians?



Good day to you sir.


a reply to: ALoveSupreme

LOL

Read a book sir/lady. You have huge lack of knowledge in the Greek matters such as politics and history, yet you discuss and refer an opinion about subjects you obviously have no idea about. Please read again my last lines of my OP. Stop humiliating yourself and base your sayings/claims on facts. It would be good for you.

I was born in the USA. I almost have a hard time saying that I am American anymore because that puts me in a category I do not want to be in. What can I do? The economic status of the USA is crumbling beneath us. The lack of jobs and rising cost of living, on top of insane student loan debt and seemingly new taxes every day, we are reaching the midnight hour here too.

I watched the series "The Americans" on FX and a lot of things are brought into light. The comfort of being a US citizen is hypnotic. The ability to buy anything you want at any time is tantalizing and addicting. But the masses here are still caught up in the propaganda. Disregarding science and facts, trusting in all forms of media, bickering over nonsensical matters like sports or politics.

What can I do? Participate or die pretty much. With so many ludicrous laws out there I seem to commit crimes in the eyes of the law daily. We have traded our souls for cheap entertainment and a facade of comfort. All I can do is prepare and watch this all burn.
a reply to: neversaynever

a reply to: oneupShadow

Wow my friend! Your speech touched my heart and soul!

I honestly admire and respect people who speak like you!

Never change, stick to your beliefs and let no one tell you that you are mistaken!

Well said

The reasons behind Ukraine and WW3

the unrest in Ukraine was for the USA NATO to get an active presence there to cause Russia to readjust their global & regional geo-political strategy

the reasons for the WW3 whispers is to deflect attention... thus allowing the decadent USD to remain a prominent currency on the world stage...

IMO, the whole western world dominated monetary & finance system needs tossed out
replace the BIS. IMF, World Bank, London Gold & the USA Gold & PM markets with a BRICS model & the up & coming Eastern/Chinese bullion banks and exchanges.... allow the modern era Babylon prostitute (western financial systems) to burn


that ~in a nut shell~ is what Ukraine & WW3 are about... AKA: Zeitgeist

a reply to: St Udio

Russia has realized that it has to fight to survive.

Russians tried to fit in into the Western system, but failed. West only wants Russian money. West has no interest in Russians.

The Ukrainians may want to join EU but I can guarantee there will be no benefit to Ukraine from it. But they wish and dream.

However Ukraine is irrelevant to the unfolding events. Soon fast moving events will take everybody's attention away.

I finally found it!


I believe you all remember the visit of Barack Obama to Brussels in March 2014. There Obama and the EU discussed about the Ukraine's crisis, about their combined position against Russia and about the need of Europe to stop being strongly dependent of the Russian gas.

Here is a link with the summary of the conversations between the two sides:

www.reuters.com...


Notice the part where it says

During a 65-minute lunch, European Council President Herman Van Rompuy and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso pressed Obama to step up U.S. gas exports, but he responded bluntly in telling the Europeans they needed to take politically difficult steps to develop their own resources.

telling the Europeans they needed to take politically difficult steps to develop their own resources

Wait a minute! Europe has its own gas resources and we didn't know it?

Of course it does, and these gas resources are the ones that are placed in the Eastern European and Israeli sea borders, exactly as i showed in the OP.

I heard that on the news back on March but i was unable to find it on an online source. Thankfully i have now find it and i give to you to give a more spherical idea of what i am trying to show you.

The justice department just filed charges against Chinese Army leaders. Its on like donkey kong! China and Russia will not tolerate Nazis and that's how we are seen these days. You think Oblamo really is trying to sink this ship?

War in our streets is a real possibility folks! Russia will light up greater Europe the minute any foreign army invades and if you think China cant out produce us when it comes to arms and personnel then your are tripping. Robotics or not this is no win situation.

Hey, Oblamo why don't you go and pick a fight with the largest nuclear powers on the planet! I am seriously thinking Obama hopes to depopulate the planet to save us from global warming! Its back to the stone age I guess!

I guess instead of investing in technology to mitigate and manage the climate it is better to just kill a few billion. Never mind that these fragile natural systems are doomed with or without us. Never mind the only chance humankind has as a species is to master the environment and manage the same etc.. Never mind that a population of a half a trillion or so would most certainly see humans traveling to the stars and thus avoiding the single point failure that is mother earth. You save a whale folks are gonna kill us all!

Why not farm the oceans to feed the world? Why not fertilize the oceans and harvest the overabundance of plankton and associated critters for conversion into oil/energy? Oh that's right its illegal for anyone to even release fry back into the wild because that may disturb the natural balance? Never mind that we fish these fisheries to near extinction, but return not even a single fish egg. So much for common sense!

I say we round these igits up and march em to the gallows! The entire human species is at stake and its time to get off your FN asses! There will not be a single soul left to tell the tale!

To depopulate the earth is to doom humankind! The struggle and resulting technology of sustaining a massive population is all that save us! We need a trillion people and a planet wide city! It is the only way people will be forced to seek resources from other worlds. Struggle is the father of all things! It is not by the principals of humanity than man lives it is simply by means of the most brutal struggle! Capitalism and a massive population larger than can be sustained by mother earth could well see us on other worlds and also mastering all of the natural systems we depend on. A small population dependent upon the natural systems is doomed any way you look at it!

a reply to: JesusChristwins

This is HUGE News!!!!
S&F

Applause for you

originally posted by: JesusChristwins


LOL

Read a book sir/lady. You have huge lack of knowledge in the Greek matters such as politics and history, yet you discuss and refer an opinion about subjects you obviously have no idea about. Please read again my last lines of my OP. Stop humiliating yourself and base your sayings/claims on facts. It would be good for you.

... says the person who denies global warming.

That is funny, I seem to remember getting my first university degree in Byzantine culture and history.

You are right about the Slavic tribes showing up long after Alexander the Great. But that is possibly the only thing you got right in your crackpot's diatribe.

By the way, thanks for the irony -- a supposed anti-imperialist posting using the seal of the House of Romanov!

a reply to: JesusChristwins

Interesting. Whatever the case may be, America is not on God's (or Jesus') side, and nor are any of her citizens who allow such wickedness and corruption to continue. Your user name is funny, as Jesus Christ wins when America loses.

I believe in what you are saying......regarding oil ect ect...NWO ....USA gov poking noses into other countries

BUT NO ONE WINS WW3.....NO ONE!.................fact!

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer
a reply to: JesusChristwins

OP you are 100% correct

now wait for TritonTiranis and FlyerFan and Destinyone and people like come in here and defend the NWO, defend the US banking and military Empire that destroys in the world who they can destroy.

And of course, you average American will do nothing, and will one day wonder, Why did God just screw us up what what just happened.

WHY GOD ??

If anyone believes for a second Russia and China are not part of the plan you are all fools. This is a world wide plan and the enemies are not countries it is.........wait for it.........Liberty and freedom.




But this thread proves just how gullible people around the world are. They want you to pick a side. Problem is they control every side.

a reply to: panicman66

There are always winner of every war - whatever the destruction or pain may be.

It is foolish to think there will be no winner of next war.

Political entities go to war to win. NWO has fought a lot of wars and has a very good success rate so far.

So I assume NWO thinks it can win the next war too.

However things may not go according to the book this time. There are factors beyond NWO's control.

a reply to: oneupShadow
What you said is so very true. I find myself growing more and more apathetic regarding everything about life these days. This is because of how out of control bad this society has gotten and the hopelessness has boiled over for me in many ways. I don't see a way out for this nation, or the world for that matter.
No one is taking action to stop it. No one's even starting the revolution that needs to happen. Everywhere I look I see chains and blind eyes to the chains. I'm haunted by the feeling that it's only a matter of time before the situation gets very grim where the education bubble bursts, the economy plunges, the tyranny worsens and the corporate prison companies make the most profits in this country.

a reply to: JesusChristwins

This won't do my friend. Ministers and politicians are bought and sold everyday. I will not (and you shouldn't either) put trust about history in the hands of such individuals. Their tune can and will change as the wind blows. As I said, some genuine and unbiased research in the matter will help you a great deal. I can quote a number of Greek politicians as well, but how is that evidence???

You are quick to claim history from over two thousand years ago (which cannot really be verified in concrete), but you cannot fill the gap between the past and the present very convincingly. It seems you don't have a grasp on Greek history yourself, as I'm sure you won't acknowledge the countless non-greeks who were part of population exchanges after annexation of Macedonian land in 1913. And you claim these people as the descendants of Alexander?? People who have never stepped foot in Macedonia prior to it's division?? Try doing research on the ethnic make up of your nation, and what YOUR background is before telling another nation who they are. 'Slav ethnicity' only exists in your head, and it probably makes you sleep easier at night. If we are slavs, then I'm afraid so are you

a reply to: ALoveSupreme

We Macedonians have never claimed to be ethnically pure (unlike our southern neighbor who claims to be 98% homogenous, or something along those lines), and any nation does is not sane. I have given you a reason why today's Greeks dislike the Macedonians so much - annexation of Macedonian land, assimilation and oppression of the Macedonian population. If they recognize ethnic Macedonians, they will have to pay for the atrocities against the population and repay everything that was taken from the Macedonians back 100 years ago. You think they can afford it?

US military base in Ohrid? Maybe you mean the one in Macedonia's capital.

I understand this thread is not the place for my posts but if the OP is misinforming on part of his/her original comment, are they misinforming on other parts of it? I'm happy to take it to another thread.

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
using the seal of the House of Romanov!

You have studied what? Byzantine history? Really? You studied Byzantine culture and you do not know that my icon is the seal of the Byzantine Empire?

The Romanovs appeared 1000 years after the specific flag had been created ! And you studied what? :Laughed loudly here: Please, lies won't make you look smarter. Facts on the other side will Maybe make a small research before you lie again.

originally posted by: Bitola

I can quote a number of Greek politicians as well, but how is that evidence???

Please do, i would honestly like to see what you 've got. I didn't post the opinion of a random politician, i posted the opinion of your former foreign affairs minister who happens to be responsible for the subject of the naming.

originally posted by: Bitola
It seems you don't have a grasp on Greek history yourself, as I'm sure you won't acknowledge the countless non-greeks who were part of population exchanges after annexation of Macedonian land in 1913.

Sure, i am with you :sarcasm:. Now show us evidence! Show us books, shows us reports! Oh wait! There aren't

originally posted by: Bitola
If we are slavs, then I'm afraid so are you

Even wikipedia, which is mostly wrong about history, has posted it correctly. If you Google "Republic of Macedonia" you will see this

The country's name derives from the Greek Μακεδονία (Makedonía),[13][14] a kingdom (later, region) named after the ancient Macedonians. Their name, Μακεδόνες (Makedónes), is cognate to the Ancient Greek adjective μακεδνός (makednós), meaning "tall, slim". It was traditionally derived from the Indo-European root *mak- meaning 'long' or 'slender', but according to modern research by Robert Beekes both terms are of Pre-Greek substrate origin and cannot be explained in terms of Indo-European morphology.[15]

So please tell me, while even a wikipedia's post which is about your country says that the name of Makedonia is Greek, then how you can claim Makedonia to be Slavic???

Your "Macedonian" prime minister's name is Nikola Gruevski, right. Does it have any relationship with the ancient Makedonia's kings names? Jesus, no! Περδίκκας or Perdikkas sounds the same with Gruevski? Αρχέλαος or Arhelaos which comes from the combination of the Greek words αρχαίος (ancient) and λαός (people) has anything in common with Gruevski? A common name in Serbia is Filipovski. Does it look closer to Gruevski or to Φίλιππος/Philip.

The apostle, the pupil of Jesus, Philip was Greek, yet Makedonia is not Greek? He lived just 300 years after the fall of the Makedonian's Empire, yet you can call him anything else but Greek? Cleopatra, the queen of Egypt, was Greek and she was descedant of Ptolemaios, who was Alexander's the 3rd general, yet Makedonia is anything but Greek?

Funny

originally posted by: Bitola
We Macedonians have never claimed to be ethnically pure

You forgot to mention that 40% of your population comes from Albania and another 20% comes from Bulgaria. I believe this was what you meant.

Try to deny my facts with any facts you want, please! Not simply your opinion. This is history




Anyway, that is for everyone, THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WW3! PLEASE, DO NOT RUIN IT BY POSTING IRRELEVANT STUFF, ESPECIALLY W/O JUSTIFICATION, EVIDENCES AND FACTS.

I would honestly appreciate that. Thank you!

And yes, either way no big force of the world, like Russia or China, is out of the game. They are all part of what we call NWO, others on smaller scale and others on bigger. No one is with the people nowadays, at least for now. Keep that mind people.

a reply to: watchesfromwall

Watches, the USA isn't the only player. They are the centralized unit to the NWO. The USA is a creation born under Lucifer. That creation came from Germany, England, Holland, France, and many other European countries. Countries that we still use (or abuse) to do our bidding.

Why do you think so many European countries became outraged when they found that the NSA and others 3-letters had been spying on them? Because they thought they were a part of the NWO! They thought they were "one of insiders."

The larger problem we are going to face begins fully next September (2015), but we will start to see small sparks starting this July, and even more so this December and beginning of next year. The sky will be aflame. And fire is more cleansing than water is.

The US government has been slowly preparing for this inevitability.

originally posted by: JesusChristwins
I finally found it!

I believe you all remember the visit of Barack Obama to Brussels in March 2014. There Obama and the EU discussed about the Ukraine's crisis, about their combined position against Russia and about the need of Europe to stop being strongly dependent of the Russian gas.

Here is a link with the summary of the conversations between the two sides:

www.reuters.com...


Notice the part where it says

During a 65-minute lunch, European Council President Herman Van Rompuy and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso pressed Obama to step up U.S. gas exports, but he responded bluntly in telling the Europeans they needed to take politically difficult steps to develop their own resources.

telling the Europeans they needed to take politically difficult steps to develop their own resources

Wait a minute! Europe has its own gas resources and we didn't know it?

Of course it does, and these gas resources are the ones that are placed in the Eastern European and Israeli sea borders, exactly as i showed in the OP.

I heard that on the news back on March but i was unable to find it on an online source. Thankfully i have now find it and i give to you to give a more spherical idea of what i am trying to show you.

No, he's talking about this:www.bloomberg.com...

The education bubble is a very serious looming catastrophic event. Not only is it making an entire generation into wage slaves and indentured servants, it is also making higher education completely affordable for the common man and woman. I saw a politician try to openly speak out against the government making profit off the backs of students, people who have no money in the first place.

Even community colleges in my local town have classes that are filled in a matter of days once the schedule is released. There is high demand for higher education, so the prices are going up at an alarming rate. I have personally seen the cost per unit double since i started going.

I try to be informative to my friends and peers, but nobody listens. I am in a sea of technology zombies brainwashed by cheap entertainment.
a reply to: gottaknow