The reasons behind Ukraine and WW3

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

OP - when you labeled the recent threads 'news discussion' in such a disdainful manner, I was quite perplexed.

I was actually disgusted...

But perplexed fits too.

MM

Should it now be ATS = All The Same?

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This thread is full of Lolz tbh

Half baked ideas trying to pinpoint a sole guilty party is like taking 2 & 2 and adding it up to 3

The thread is also littered with anti US anti West trolls who post equally bizarre conspiracy's to tar the US

It's all just to much

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

OP - when you labeled the recent threads 'news discussion' in such a disdainful manner, I was quite perplexed.

I suggest you take a look at number of stars and flags from members OP just received.

YOU are in MINORITY on this site supporting evil acts and acts of destruction.

Speaks volumes about you as a person.

Sorry but I cannot engage in groupthink.

And thank you! I would rather be considered in the 'minority' anyday.

Amazing how pointing out the insubstantial factual basis of someone's conspiracy theory suddenly makes me supportive of 'evil acts and acts of destruction.'

I am completely against American imperialism. But it helps in discussions of problems to make sure they have at least some grounding in reality.

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac
a reply to: RadiationAndCancer

Becareful she is a very important, international vaccum cleaner sales person. With very important Contacts inside the military industrial complex of G.E and electrolux

Sorry you find things like facts and reality so insurmountable, dear.

originally posted by: Mr Mask

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

OP - when you labeled the recent threads 'news discussion' in such a disdainful manner, I was quite perplexed.

I was actually disgusted...

But perplexed fits too.



MM

Oh, it's a gas!

The only thing really factual the OP posted were PDFs that confirm there are likely huge offshore oil shale resources in the Aegean and Levant.

But how that substantiates a supposed coup of the Greek government or large secret military bases in FYROM, is a complete mystery.

But don't contradict the OP in any way or you must 'be a shill'.

Don't post things like facts or 'you simply humiliate yourself'.

I am not even pro-American, not in the slightest. But I find the type of crippled anti-intellectualism on display here just... well, very common.

originally posted by: amkia

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme

No, it is never that easy or convenient to connect points of corruption, particularly with information you just find on the Internet.

Sorry.

Where do you find your information from then? Public libraries or highly controlled MSM..?

S&F for OP by the way..

'MSM' -- maybe your most endearing term here.

No, I look at a wide range of journalistic and academic sources online, it is true. With those, I try to cover the widest political spectrum possible.

Otherwise, reports by various types of consulting companies, leaked records (WikiLeaks), obligatory financial disclosures and/or regulatory audits are also useful.

But none of these make up for a solid academic background nor day-to-day professional experience.

My job is actually not in vacuum cleaner sales as somebody jested. Rather, I work hosting a lot of conferences for multidisciplinary groups -- corporate executives, government officials, military and intelligence experts, as well as those involved in the arts. And I would have to confess that the insights I have gained on these occasions are my most valuable when it comes to understanding the complex organism of geopolitics.

You see, these people attend such conferences because they want to maximize their influence by better understanding their allies' and adversaries' motives. There is a lot of psychological probing and relationship building going on at such events.

It never ceases to amaze me how many important political decisions in this world can be made on the intuitive trust built up between two powerful men in one afternoon while sharing cognac and cigars (and often the pleasures of beautiful women).

You may be on to something, my friend. It is clear the US military is placing commintments to ensure the safeth of these minerals as a matter of national security. Its like ive been saying for years now, fukushima, really, is your answer.#ushima is without wuestionthe deadliest single nuclear disaster ever known, with more and more revelations coming to light everyday. I gguarantee you what weve been told is the tip of the iceberg, as far as the overall leakage into the ocean.

The fact the every world goverment isnt working to control that mess means there must be something far larger and more present clear danger that is actually much worse than fukushima. What say you, ATS?

a reply to: neversaynever

Not America, but the elites who are in control of America.

But this is right. Anywhere there's a natural resource you will find them. Why hasn't North Korea been dealt with? I guess they don't have any good natural resources. Great thread

originally posted by: Fylgje
a reply to: neversaynever

Why hasn't North Korea been dealt with? I guess they don't have any good natural resources. Great thread

No, North Korea has not been 'dealt with' because the DPRK military have innumerable artillery and rockets pointed directly at Seoul along with industrial sabotage contingencies that would lead to immense loss of life in that city were a war to break out. It is a massively effective deterrent. And China does not want to deal with any of the difficulties that destabilization would incur -- masses of refugees, increase in banditry, etc.

First things first. I believe the majority of politicians, the world over, are a bunch of snakes in the grass. I made a thread stating I believe they should all be polygraphed. With all the shill talk lately, I don't want to be accused of it.

Anyway, a poster in a different thread about car manufacturers and their excess waste stated something along the lines of electric cars taking over in the near future. I think it's feasible, and I would guess most people would want that for the economical and environmental impact alone. Then of course you'd still have your gear heads. To each their own.

If that indeed happened, wouldn't it dramatically decrease the demand for those resources?

Just a thought and my opinion.

a reply to: watchesfromwall

NWO=Zionists and Bankers

The NWO is not something new. It is the same policy but with a new name. Unfortunately for the US people, the Zionists like Rockefeller and Rothschild and the Bankers like the ones who control Moody's, JP Morgan, the American Federal Bank have created in the last decades through globalization a very tight net which controls the goverments of the world along with the Banks of the world. They created the 2008 financial crisis to win billions, the Asian in 1997 too, Black Monday in 1987 too, 1973's financial crisis too.

How the use the net, how they control the governments, YOU how they control the US government, how they control TU the banking system is being BE explained in the documentary "Inside Job" of 2010 which i mentioned in my OP. Take 2 hours of your time to see it my friend, and i am sure that once you do, you will realize how the NWO uses the strongest country in the world for their purposes.

For me, to make it more clear to you, it is something like NWO-> US ->EU, ASIA, AUSTRALIA, RUSSIA(in another way) -> Smaller countries. Rockefeller and Rothschild are in charge of everything that is behind the NWO and as soon as their "voice" and hands is Henry Kissinger. Henry created the Ukraine's problem, Henry created the Syria's and Libya's problem, Henry created the Kosovo's problem. Before war begins in all of these regions Henry paid a visit to their governments. Coincidence? Check it out on your own if you want.

a reply to: ALoveSupreme

You know better than me :huge sarcasm:. Ok Well said, i am with you


a reply to: ausername


I am afraid sir that a WW will really happen in the following years. The two sides will be Russia and China against the NATO and Japan. I started 10 years ago to hear and read that from prophecies made in the 1600s, the 1980s and 90s and now i am seeing that data, news and reports are showing themselves that we are on the verge of a WW, either we like it or not.

Russia raises the expenses about its army, the US too through the "hidden expenses", China is even making a space program! I selected the map in my OP as i strongly believe based on facts that it will all start from that area, for the control of that area and spark will be given from a Russian-Turkish war. Will it happen in 3 years, in 5, in 10? I can't know. What i know, what i believe is that things will happen that way.

Well, let's leave time and history decide if i am wrong or right.

a reply to: JesusChristwins

Sorry to interfere with your world war doom fantasy, but it ain't gonna happen now. We came close, too close. But it was avoided.

If you are craving doom, I'm quite certain there will be plenty of that in the future.

No wars required.

In my opinion.

One major problem with the whole 300 years of Gas and Oil..... latter half of this century is the point of no return for the global climate and then around another 100 years after that the surface becomes unihabitable, humans won't be around to even get through half.
Which kinda makes the whole NWO plan what it is... Half Baked, Short Sighted Idiocy. Watching TPTB which ever side of the devide they inhabit is like watching the Three Stooges...Comedy in epic proportions

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer

YOU are in MINORITY on this site supporting evil acts and acts of destruction.

Speaks volumes about you as a person.

He may or may not be a minority on this site...but at least he is STILL on this site.

Something you can no longer say.

As an old haunt of ATS, may I personally say your removal reassures me of the fine job being done on this site. One less nonsensical pot-stirrer and more room for legitimate users to freely contribute to the wonderful machine that is "Abovetopsecret".

This site has not changed...this site is possibly the ONLY site I have followed for years that has maintained its soul and backbone. I find that to be applaudable and a reason to find this thread illogical.

MM

Deny, Discredit, Devalue, that is the mantra of control in the pursuit of more control.

Money at a certain level ceases to be what those at the lower levels consider to be real.

Oil is not about money it is about influence. NO OIL, NO INFLUENCE, STOP THE OIL=LOTS OF INFLUENCE, if the oil becomes too cheap why would you by an electric car.

What is real at that level is ' influence '.

While control has proved itself throughout human history to be unsustainable in the Long Term (every known human civilization has failed) in the short term influence is its primary goal. Fear is a fundamental form of influence most humans are instinctively compelled to react to. Money is a form of influence, yet only up to a certain level of control.

Most on ATS continue to be caught up in the distraction of WHAT is happening by those they believe are the cause of the problems rather than WHY they are doing it. PSYCH one o one, to change WHAT a person does yo must first change WHY they are doing it.

Focus on WHY? Why, so you can see past the distraction of what they are doing.

Oh that's right you cant be bothered to spend the time in learning why, so keep on being distracted by what they do.

The oldest trick in the magicians bag.......

The foremost reason behind ukraine, syria, even iran and the potential WW 3, is actually VERY simple. Not complicated at all :

Dick Cheney and friends.

you know, the 'oil people' who were sociopath enough to push iraq war over a total LIE of nonexistent WMDs despite TOTAL irrelevance of bin laden with iraq ?

Who then proceeded to profit from iraq to the order of $80 billion while having u.s. taxpayer spend $500 bn/year in iraq with no accountability ?

of course, that is the non-accountable money. IF you check full extent, the DoD direct spending totals $700 bn itself.

These people are insatiable. After iraq, DESPITE they lost in the elections, they still kept pushing for more oil through 'arab spring'.

In libya, radical islamists were supported by nato bombing, who toppled gaddafi and immediately proceeded to confiscate 40+ oil fields in eastern libya from chinese and give it to cheney & the dudes.

Egypt is still a stalemate.

Then they pushed syria for the qatari pipeline. didnt work. russia prevented.

see, these people are sociopaths. they cant handle being hampered. after this, john mccain personally oversee the attempt to stir sh*t in ukraine with the state department.

victoria nulands of state dept. gloriously boasts they burned $5 bn in taxpayer money for supporting the freaking neonazi svoboda party ('right sector', as politely called) to mount a coup.

Of course, the massive shale gas reserves which were discovered near ukraine also helped a lot.

So see - it IS about f'kin oil, as always. oil oil oil, money money money.

Sociopaths.

These people must be stopped. For everyone's well being.

Almost everything you just said was inaccurate at best, and just plain wrong at worst.

The OP's first post is full of crap, and I as a Macedonian find it racially discriminating and offensive. There is no 'FYROM' or 'Skopia', or even 'Slav ethnicity'. If you bothered to do some unbiased research you will find that 'Slav' is a linguistic group, just like 'Latin'. You cannot be a slav by blood or ethnicity. If it were the case it would be one of the largest ethnicities on earth, and you 'pure greeks' would be part of that civilization, as you would not have been immune from their influence with these modern borders that didn't exist prior to 1913.

The Republic Of Macedonia existed within Yugoslavia (Socialist Republic of Macedonia), where were your protests back then? One of the many reasons the Greek govt denies the existence of Macedonians is the fact that if they recognize their existence, they would have to pay billions, if not trillions of dollars in compensation and return of land to the Macedonian victims. For those who do some genuine research you will find that there still is an ethnic Macedonian minority within Greece that is heavily suppressed and isn't given the light of day.

The real reason Greece finds itself in the situation it does today is because it is nothing more than an experiment of the world powers.

originally posted by: Bitola For those who do some genuine research you will find that there still is an ethnic Macedonian minority within Greece that is heavily suppressed and isn't given the light of day.

What you said there at the end about your people being discriminated against and abused in Greece is definitely true!

Sorry I talked about them being 'Slavs' too...

But is it not a bit of a stretch to consider your country's inhabitants the direct descendants of the same ancient Macedonians who founded Heraclea Lyncestis?

I mean, there is so much in between that time period and today! The Romans conquered the ancient Macedonians who in turn became the Byzantines, who were then overrun by the Visigoths and then finally the area was settled by the Drogobitai whom I always assumed were most closely related to your present majority populace (Albanians and Roma excepted).

Why do the Greeks dislike former Yugoslavians so? Does it have to do with divisions underneath Ottoman's times?

Anyway, we Egyptians do not worry about such things really. We know that the pharaohs' pyramids were not made by Arabs. We just claim the full heritage of the land as human beings!

I loved Ohrid, incidentally -- especially that immense yet super clandestine US military base you have there!