Is the 9/11 Forum Dying?

I don't know, but it is obvious to me and a lot of others around the world that 9/11 was not done by a bunch of cavemen terrorists with little knowledge of flying and terrorist operations anyways, - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

You are correct. It was not done by cavemen but highly skilled operators who went through grueling training both mentally and physically demanding and the majority from wealthy families with a superlative education.

I am sure there are people who have enough evidence to take this to the court but they are too afraid to represent them or are simply bought out or taken out by TPTB. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

There has never been one single strand of physical, circumstantial, anecdotal or eyewitness evidence whatsoever to hint of even a small conspiracy that can stand up to the requirements of American jurisprudence.

In dealing with these books I have learned that the writers have a special resentment or downright hatred for the Canadian government and most of all the Canadian media. The refusal of the Canadian media to accept their evidence only if the standards of evidence allowed by Canadian rule of law makes them part of the criminal conspiracy to suppress their conclusions. In other words allowing only evidence that has a basis in fact is proof itself of a massive conspiracy.

As we already know Professor Griffin has stated that he has no admissible evidence whatsoever. Barry Zwicker takes this to a whole new level. " The illegality of refusal to assume facts, facts that have been deemed to exist below the threshold for the purpose of unlawful standards of law, by the Canadian media, is itself criminal and therefore these standards do not needed to be reached since they are issued by an illegal source-the Canadian government.

In other words we don't need legal proof of anything-our supposition and conjecture are facts and don't needed to be proven. If you challenge them you are guilty of complicity after the fact of mass murder.

reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Conspiracy theorists are not taken seriously on this site. They are being run off by amateur comedians and T.V. zombies who care about conspiracies much less than calling people "stupid and crazy" for no reason.

Hahaha

Funny. Everyone TRIES so hard to be funny.

In the real world, however, 9/11 conspiracies are alive and well and everyone I know is talking about it.

Make it a double.

a reply to: spooky24

You are correct. It was not done by cavemen but highly skilled operators who went through grueling training both mentally and physically demanding and the majority from wealthy families with a superlative education.

Right...and then went out the night before snorting powder, dancing with strippers and getting drunk...then forgetting their luggage with manuals on how to fly a 757 and even a list of the hijackers.... yep these guys were consummate professionals......

There has never been one single strand of physical, circumstantial, anecdotal or eyewitness evidence whatsoever to hint of even a small conspiracy that can stand up to the requirements of American jurisprudence.

This statement.........wow! All I'm going to say is that apparently there's enough evidence to convince a large portion of the worlds population that there's something very dodgy about the official story.....

a reply to: spooky24

There are tons of evidence against the 9/11 official story,there are simply too many to mention and I am sure you have heard of at least ten of them witch even tingle you in a wrong way...People have doubts about 9/11 and i think that is very reasonable.

a reply to: spooky24

And would you do everyone a favor and change your avatar ,,please!!.....It is very spooky ,not cool spooky,more like creepy....just a suggestion of course....cheers.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

The 9/11 attacks aren't like UFO sightings, or Big Foot, or ghost chasing. It was a mass murder that we all got a front row seat for and watched in real time as thousands of people died. The "Truth Movement" has its cartoon characters, but the bulk of it has always been honest and serious people who just plain can't accept the official conspiracy theory, and who tried really hard for years to articulate their reasons for not being able to accept that conspiracy theory, only to have the entire subject of the 9/11 attacks relentlessly progress - at alarming speed, no less - to the historical dust bin that this society tossed the JFK Assassination into decades ago. In short, the 9/11 attacks "who dunnit" question has become nothing more than a parlor game, and we all know it.

No one that was working to uncover the truth concerning those attacks was ever playing a debate game or trying to see just how clever they could be by debunking this assertion or that assertion. They were focused on proving to the public at large that those events could not have happened in the manner depicted in the official conspiracy theory, or as a result of the activities described by the people pushing the official conspiracy theory. And they did prove their case. They did shred the credibility of the official conspiracy theory. And when they did, they discovered that it didn't matter. Not at all. They discovered that it was never going to matter. Just like the Wall St. financial collapse of 2008, the attacks of Sept 11, 2001 was a crime that wasn't ever going to be investigated by the US government or the US media, and when they discovered that the evidence they'd gathered was meaningless, and the lies they exposed were meaningless, and that they'd endured taunts and slander for years had been, in the end, for no reason whatsoever, they walked off on the whole disgusting charade.

This isn't and has never been a philosophical debate. It's never been an ideological debate. Its been a criminal investigation. At some point the investigation resolves with the facts of the case emerging to the satisfaction of those involved in the investigation. The Truthers did what they could to affect a change, and they realized that no change is possible concerning this specific crime. We know why this is true, and we actually do respect the reason why this crime cannot be prosecuted, or even openly investigated by the government or the media. We're not stupid.

Speaking only for myself, I'm pulling for the good guys in our government, as they deal with the ugly-as-all-hell situation that we're all in right now. I believe that we have some brilliant and really decent people working to solve this dilemma, and I really hope that they succeed. If there's an afterlife (and I actually believe that there is) then it'll all get dealt with as one after another of the perps and their after-marketing shills slip from this realm and into the next. Meanwhile, I refuse to allow the psychopaths of this world to stress me out over any of this. I worked on this case for half a decade, and I'm at peace over what happened, how it happened, why it happened, who was involved, and what our government is trying to do about it. I hate that the bastards are still holding all the cards, but that can't last forever.

In the meantime, I'm going to do what I can to have a decent time of the rest of my own life.

a reply to: NorEaster

A fine rebuttal and you expressed yourself well. The issues of 9/11 are totally different from any other debate mainly because the 'truthers' seem to know that the only way to get noticed is by being hurtful and saying insulting things to all those people that died. Being corrosive is the only offense they know. Another book was added to the list to study because people said it is more 'balanced' than the others. It's called '9/11 solved-The deception that changed the world'
It follows the same line all 7 have followed supposition, conjecture, innuendo and opinion that is evidence of nothing other than supposition, conjecture, innuendo and opinion.

This work is a vile, insulting and ridiculous Jewish hate speech the likes I have never seen before. It seems to vault Minster Goebbels 'The Jews are to blame for everything' and blames Jews with a blood hatred that in my opinion is not freedom of speech. You must wonder how individuals get to this fervor in their lives that a race of people could fire so much hatred.

I was planning to file a complaint with the Justice Department for a hate crime however dozens already have and this ends my association with this work. This is the kind of garbage the 'truthers' use to get attention is just sickening in the extreme.

This study has lead to a pattern-as previously discussed-about how all these books follow the same basic approach to incense the reader to action-what kind of action is never forwarded. It seems that a pre or post conspiracy has taken over the discussion in which persons claim that the Canadian Government has 'sold out' the Canadian Media to 'filthy rich American Jews'. The reasoning for this is that the Canadian Media will have absolutely nothing to do with them and will not even acknowledge their existence much less their 'overwhelming evidence of a conspiracy' which we already know is nothing more than supposition, conjecture, innuendo and bias opinion.

In particular they site the Toronto Press for sabotaging their meetings and inserting 'shills' amongst their numbers. Is this true? I don't really know and how this has anything to do with evidence to prove the 'monumental crime of mass murder' in this Bush/Jew conspiracy is lost in the debate that the Canadian people have been sold out.

I have had it with the dumping on the Jews and no more of this will be tolerated. It will be ignored completely. Next. the issue of 'target audience' will be explored. Target audience is a term that has meaning in advertising, marketing, entertainment and as a literature term.

more to come

It all comes down to what you consider to be 'evidence'.

If truthers were on trial for first degree murder would their lawyers accept this same type of evidence against them?
Would they allow Youtube videos?
Would they allow testimony from experts who weren't involved in the investigation?
Would they allow testimony outside the field of expertise of the witness?

The problem with this conspiracy has always been the source of the evidence.

when I realized that not everyone can put 2 and 2 together...my enthusiasm slowly dropped.

I guess I don't feel the need to post here anymore since I found my truth...

At least 9-11 is stil pertinent in the fact that keeping this subject relevant could prevent this particular incident from happening again in this country. IMHO, if any forum is dead or dying, it's the 2012 forum since Dec. 21, 2012 came and went, nothing happened.

a reply to: spooky24

I don't know why anyone believes that Israel was behind any of this. No serious researcher believes that. We know who carried out the attacks, how they did it, who opened the NE corridor for them and why they opened it up for them. We know everything, and we know that it doesn't make any difference.

Oh, and one more thing before I walk on this forum, if your sister was murdered, and you knew damn well that the guy the cops fingered for that killing was framed, how the f*ck would you be insulting your sister by trying to nail the real killer? I've had idiots toss that "disrespecting the dead" crap at me for years, and it still sounds just as insane now as it did back in 2003.

You OCT people have never made any sense and no one expects you to ever make any sense. Not anymore. We'll deal with you folks when you get to the other side. Hell, there are at least 3,000 waiting for each of you already. Maybe we'll just rope off an area and let them have at you themselves. You might see this whole battle as fun on the Internet, but when you're working to cover up a murder, it's called accessory after the fact, and no one actually ever gets away with that sort of thing. You'll see what I mean. At best you've got 40 years left, but sadly, nowhere to run to and no Jesus to forgive you. Like I said, you'll find out when your time comes.

Have a nice day.

originally posted by: samkent
It all comes down to what you consider to be 'evidence'.

If truthers were on trial for first degree murder would their lawyers accept this same type of evidence against them?

Would they allow Youtube videos?

Video evidence is allowed in court all the time. It's considered a slam-dunk in murder trials.

Would they allow testimony from experts who weren't involved in the investigation?

Expert witnesses are paid by the state to testify in murder trials. Their testimony is always considered effective and persuasive. People are sent to the death chamber on the testimony of these witnesses all the time.

Would they allow testimony outside the field of expertise of the witness?

Depends. A PhD in Applied Physics would be considered a qualified expert if the case involved a structural collapse, because once the collapse began, the testimony of a structural engineer would cease to be considered relevant. The Applied Physics PhD is an expert on the free movement of a collapsing structure, even though the structural engineer is an expert on how free movement collapses can be prevented. I don't expect you to understand the distinction, but I wrote that for others who might.


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The problem with this conspiracy has always been the source of the evidence.

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Expert witnesses are paid by the state to testify in murder trials. Their testimony is always considered effective and persuasive. People are sent to the death chamber on the testimony of these witnesses all the time.

But they wouldn't have a pilot testify as to when an aircraft would break apart.
Thay also woun't have structual engineers testify what type of explosives.

So far I have not yet heard of one expert who:
Has handled/seen the evidence first hand (not A YT vid).
and
Commented as to his OWN FIELD of EXPERTISE.
and
Said anything contrary to the official explaination.

originally posted by: NorEaster
a reply to: spooky24

You OCT people have never made any sense and no one expects you to ever make any sense. Not anymore. We'll deal with you folks when you get to the other side. Hell, there are at least 3,000 waiting for each of you already. Maybe we'll just rope off an area and let them have at you themselves. You might see this whole battle as fun on the Internet, but when you're working to cover up a murder, it's called accessory after the fact, and no one actually ever gets away with that sort of thing. You'll see what I mean. At best you've got 40 years left, but sadly, nowhere to run to and no Jesus to forgive you. Like I said, you'll find out when your time comes.

Have a nice day.

Are you suggesting a lynch mob in heaven? I am confused.

originally posted by: samkent


Yes you have. But as soon as their expertise goes against your grain you'll claim they sniff cat's butts or whatever else you can throw at their character.

The official explanation is supported by:
Shills
People who can't seem to wrap their heads around "a sinister elite"
People whom generally don't care

9/11 is a coverup/false flag. 100 years from now - this will be how the event is classified.

a reply to: spooky24
Just off the top of my head, I can think of one little piece of evidence that defies logic. A nice and perfect terrorist's passport on top of some pulverized rubble.

It's like when you watch a movie and go "that could not happen in real life" but then say "pfft...I want to enjoy the story so I'll go along with it!"

originally posted by: samkent
It all comes down to what you consider to be 'evidence'.

If truthers were on trial for first degree murder would their lawyers accept this same type of evidence against them?
Would they allow Youtube videos?
Would they allow testimony from experts who weren't involved in the investigation?
Would they allow testimony outside the field of expertise of the witness?

The problem with this conspiracy has always been the source of the evidence.

I would agree with you, but that doesn't change so many clear facts, youtube or not. There are many facts that don't make any sense in real life, and yet, the door was permanently closed on all of it. The investigators were not impartial, the third building was shoddily investigated. I've seen better investigations on a 1 hour mini-drama. No one ever thought to look at who might really benefit from this act? Because it certainly was not the terrorist or their countries.

The information has disappeared now, but I read 10 years ago, that in the late 1980's-early 1990's, the trade towers were being given lengthy estimates on what it would take to rehab them of the asbestos. I remember clearly that the company involved, basically said, the work would be so difficult and lengthy that cost would be more than the value.

That was a full 10 years prior to 2001. Think about this.

It has been over a decade. In the absence of any new evidence what more is there really to say? Fact is people have made up their minds about this event. They either believe there is a conspiracy or that 11 Arab hijackers with box cutters took control of planes and flew them into buildings causing the collapse of several buildings. Is there really anything else left to add? At this point no one is going to convince another- minds are made up.

I ,for one, am not interested in theories. I am more concerned with the outcome and what we have now as a result of the events of that day. At least that is something that is not debatable. There is no guess work.

originally posted by: sputniksteve

originally posted by: NorEaster
a reply to: spooky24

You OCT people have never made any sense and no one expects you to ever make any sense. Not anymore. We'll deal with you folks when you get to the other side. Hell, there are at least 3,000 waiting for each of you already. Maybe we'll just rope off an area and let them have at you themselves. You might see this whole battle as fun on the Internet, but when you're working to cover up a murder, it's called accessory after the fact, and no one actually ever gets away with that sort of thing. You'll see what I mean. At best you've got 40 years left, but sadly, nowhere to run to and no Jesus to forgive you. Like I said, you'll find out when your time comes.

Have a nice day.

Are you suggesting a lynch mob in heaven? I am confused.

Yeah....heaven.

Sure kid. Whatever you want to call it.

You'll understand what it is that I'm suggesting eventually. Everyone does eventually.