US DEA doing drug busts I the UK!

a reply to: EvillerBob

Reading more into the 2003 Extrication treaty it seem that to be extradited you have to have committed a crime that illegal in both country's.

Selling red phosphorus or iodine is not illegal in the UK.

So it seem a pretty tenuous case even by the treaty.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: EvillerBob

Reading more into the 2003 Extrication treaty it seem that to be extradited you have to have committed a crime that illegal in both country's.

Selling red phosphorus or iodine is not illegal in the UK.

So it seem a pretty tenuous case even by the treaty.

You're referring to "dual criminality", which has so many exemptions that few people pay attention to it anymore. I understand that the US treat it as a drugs-related offence (I think they stressed the point that the majority, if not all, of the identified customers in the US were known drugs labs manufacturing controlled substances illegally, so that's most likely the angle they are pushing). They could probably squeeze it under some other exemptions as well if they tried.

Incidentally, the exemptions are largely the result of the European Arrest Warrant system, so you can thank the EU for that.

Edited to add: Just to clarify, it's actually the Extradition Act 2003. Just in case someone wanted to research it themselves later.

a reply to: EvillerBob

Then if that's the case they should have been tried in the UK if the crime applied here too. Not sent to a country with a brutal penal system with a dubious human rights record.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: EvillerBob

Then if that's the case they should have been tried in the UK if the crime applied here too. Not sent to a country with a brutal penal system with a dubious human rights record.

No, the exemption means that they can request extradition even if it is NOT a crime in the UK, provided it falls into one or more of a set of categories.

If the crime alleged did not fall under the exemptions, that's when they would need to show that it was a crime in both countries. They don't need to show that the crime was committed in both countries, they just need to show that if the events had happened in either country, it would have been considered a crime. If the crime didn't happen in the UK then there is no point in prosecuting them in the UK, that would in fact be ridiculous in most circumstances.

At this point I'm mostly guessing that they are claiming a drugs-related exemption, but it seems likely in the circumstances.

a reply to: crazyewok
That is pure death leftover from hitler. but i share your leave us alone sentiments even though i would like to see the recipe removed from our collective memories.

a reply to: crazyewok

I deliver red phosphorous on occasions to defence companies etc

If it is unregulated like you say, there's sure a hell a lot of drama over it.

a reply to: Enlighten3d

There saftey regs but its not a controlled substance, look around you can buy it online.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: crazyewok
That is pure death leftover from hitler. but i share your leave us alone sentiments even though i would like to see the recipe removed from our collective memories.

O I agree meths a nasty drug.

But Im of the opinion of its up to the individual not the goverment.

a reply to: crazyewok

I completely agree with you. The last thing we need in the US is more people in prison. I really don't want to spend my tax money feeding, sheltering, clothing, and providing medical care to someone who supposedly broke US laws in the UK. I hope you all do toss out the DEA. They can't control anything stateside let alone in another country... nor do they have any business doing so over there.

a reply to: crazyewok

I disagree with you very much on that one but i may be wrong. It is just in a leauge of it's own. That stuff opens the door to the creator without giving you any address or reason for your trip. So then you physically start to dissappear from existance. It is well beyond being a drug and if it gets you it is more permanent than death itself. Hitler was messing with things that are the very secrets of our existance. I say we should be able to take anything we want in this life but i also know that i can not fully explain what that stuff does.

Let's say that maybe reincarnation is true and hitler knew this. Now maybe we die for our sins and hitler believed he was doing the jews a favor by killing and that he used an army that in his heart he was against so he found a chemical combo to get them to kill for him while kiling there selves eternally. sorry i pulled a bit of topic

What makes me laugh is how the judges and politicians kept going on how there "crime" was motivated by greed,

WTF? How can people earning 6 figure salary's lecture anyone about greed!

Plus cause they wanted to make money everyone does. Thy just tried to make it off America ridiculous chemical control laws .

Funny you can by a M-16 but you cant buy simple household chemicals?