Scientists Claim Quantum Theory Proves Consciousness Moves To Another Universe At Death

a reply to: EviLCHiMP
My thoughts -
If they were able to PROVE it (Consciousness continues after death, migrating to another dimension or field of awareness)...the next step would be to establish a/the link between the two (or more). And the whole process of scientific study that brought us to such knowledge would begin again...on a new frontier.
Big IF, though...

originally posted by: WanDash
a reply to: EviLCHiMP
My thoughts -
If they were able to PROVE it (Consciousness continues after death, migrating to another dimension or field of awareness)...the next step would be to establish a/the link between the two (or more). And the whole process of scientific study that brought us to such knowledge would begin again...on a new frontier.
Big IF, though...

Exactly! Well said! Such a discovery in providing undeniable proofs would presumably flip the current paradigm or common belief system of humanity and existence itself upside down on itself. An entire new existence of humanity would undoubtedly be born upon such a foundation.

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP

A book titled “Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness Are the Keys to Understanding the Nature of the Universe“ has stirred up the Internet, because it contained a notion that life does not end when the body dies, and it can last forever. The author of this publication, scientist Dr. Robert Lanza who was voted the 3rd most important scientist alive by the NY Times, has no doubts that this is possible. - See more at: www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com...

Very interesting, it appears science is on the horizon of merging back with spirituality. What implications could you all see coming from such a revelation? Please share your thoughts!

I see this as a possible start of a kind of awakening by mainstream science, slowly up until now, but it seems to be happening.

I think the tipping point, from where spirituality and scientific research conjoin is professional research into '___', a natural bodily molecule present in our bodies and especially in our brains at our birth, death and when we dream.

By all accounts, quite recently, many leading academics have been looking into the effects of this molecule, taken by them and using themselves more or less as test subjects, and some of them are coming to some rather startling conclusions...they think '___' may be a vehicle to somehow access other realities in a real and not imagined sense.

They theorise it might be what is responsible for out of body experiences, where people accurately describe there surroundings, hidden objects on high shelves that they couldn't possibly have seen and other bizarre things, while being an observer, outside of their own bodies during a medical operation or serious road accident etc...they were fully unconcious during this period.

They are starting to think seriously, that '___' actually, somehow, transport a part of us (soul, spirit, light body, consciousness or whatever you want to call it) to other dimensions and or realities, in a non-hallucinatory state.

Interesting to say the least, and could well be a big part of why spirituality and mainstream scientific research seem to be joining forces...it seems some professional academics may have literally seen the light.

ETA:

It seems the molecule i'm talking about has fallen foul of censorship here...i wasn't aware a perfectly natural molecule, present in our own bodies from birth was taboo...however, i'm sure many of you know what i'm talking about.

If you don't, you might wish to open a page to your favourite search engine and type in 'the spirit molecule'...you'll know what's what then.

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a reply to: EviLCHiMP

It would indeed.

Some negative problems might arise though.

e.g. Would murder still be actually murder, if life was proven to continue after our physical body fails or is destroyed?

What would the effect on the suicide rate be?

Would people still be driven to better themselves here while physically alive, or not bother and wait until they leave?

Lots of questions would arise...not that i'd complain about those questions, it would be fascinating.

originally posted by: MysterX
...It would indeed.

...Some negative problems might arise though.

...

Good points.
What if the door we opened...was to Pandora's Box?
I know - sounds doom & gloom... But ...worth consideration. (Remember StarGate? Travel across the universe straight into a pretty dark scenario...)
On the other hand - could be what we all seem to wish for - looking for our other glass slipper/s.

a reply to: WanDash

Could be...it would be a complete unknown wouldn't it.

It's a valid point you make about Pandora's box...if a connection in a real scientific sense could be made, it could be a huge positive for us, or it could even be the end of us..but until the connection is made, who would know for sure?

Doubt the uncertainty would stop them trying it though.

a reply to: EviLCHiMP

This is nothing new. My best friend started a thread on this very subject 3 years ago. What a pity he didnt follow it up.

http:/www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread702647/pgi

Maybe consciousness moves through a vast number of universes or potential states from millisecond to millisecond. So in effect, our consciousness is moving through a multi universal lattice all the time. For example. You decide to raise your right arm above your head. In effect there are two universes, one where you raise your arm, and one where you dont. the action of raising your arm moves you into that reality, which is in itself a slightly different version of the universe. So when you "die", your consciousness simply moves into a reality where it still exists. maybe its a reality where you are a few days younger, or one where you are an entirely different person or organism. Out there, I know but I have tossed this around in my head for a while and it has a sort of logic to it.

a reply to: EviLCHiMP

Such as the googleplex! Great observation and analysis! - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Forgive me for being a stickler for terms. The term is googalplex. Let's not give google credit for this mathematical term coined by a 9 year old, Milton Sirotta.

originally posted by: Char-Lee
a reply to: EviLCHiMP

The title of course is misleading , as no such proof exixts.

I wonder if this would mean the "big bang" happens when the red door is selected rather than the blue, a whole universe Pops...into existence.

I would absolutely lose my sh*t if that were the case, haha.

originally posted by: charlyv
a reply to: EviLCHiMP

Such as the googleplex! Great observation and analysis! - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Forgive me for being a stickler for terms. The term is googalplex. Let's not give google credit for this mathematical term coined by a 9 year old, Milton Sirotta.

LOL! Thank you my friend, I knew I messed that up, I appreciate you correcting my mistake I wouldn't want to give google more credit than they already get.

a reply to: MysterX

I really enjoyed reading your responses. Your perception is keen.

originally posted by: Gideon70
a reply to: EviLCHiMP

This is nothing new. My best friend started a thread on this very subject 3 years ago. What a pity he didnt follow it up.

http:/www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread702647/pgi

Thank you for sharing! What an interesting thread! You're right, your friend completely nailed this subject on the head before even a leading scientist theorized it. Awesome read.

originally posted by: openminded2011
Maybe consciousness moves through a vast number of universes or potential states from millisecond to millisecond. So in effect, our consciousness is moving through a multi universal lattice all the time. For example. You decide to raise your right arm above your head. In effect there are two universes, one where you raise your arm, and one where you dont. the action of raising your arm moves you into that reality, which is in itself a slightly different version of the universe. So when you "die", your consciousness simply moves into a reality where it still exists. maybe its a reality where you are a few days younger, or one where you are an entirely different person or organism. Out there, I know but I have tossed this around in my head for a while and it has a sort of logic to it.

My friend I can assure you that this is Absolute Truth. If you'd like to discuss this feel free to U2U me, I can explain exactly how you are correct.

a reply to: Xeven

That's a horrible analogy, as "rain drops" are essentially evaporated ocean water returned to the land via precipitation. Some of that rain eventually soaks into ground wells, but most of it eventually returns -- via a river - to an ocean, where the cycle begins anew.

So, yes -- rain splashed on the ground is still rain. Or rather - it will be rain again soon enough.

/droppin' science like Galileo dropped the orange.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s

/droppin' science like Galileo dropped the orange.

This line cracked me up, thank you for a good laugh!

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP

A book titled “Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness Are the Keys to Understanding the Nature of the Universe“ has stirred up the Internet, because it contained a notion that life does not end when the body dies, and it can last forever. The author of this publication, scientist Dr. Robert Lanza who was voted the 3rd most important scientist alive by the NY Times, has no doubts that this is possible. - See more at: www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com...

Very interesting, it appears science is on the horizon of merging back with spirituality. What implications could you all see coming from such a revelation? Please share your thoughts!

The concept seems to be pretty valid ,the only criticism and probably quite a minor one, is that he says "upon death" that consciousness in the micro tubules of the brain etc. I don't think death is a prerequisite to interact with the other state, although it certainly helps because your main concentration has to be in the present environment. That's why dreams are poorly remembered, and patched up. When they are not as in the Lucid dream, NDE, OBES. etc you can get tantalising glimpses.
The present reality that we are now in, is in fact a really good virtual reality, everything that we sense which makes us think we are alive, is interpreted from stimulus that is then encoded. It takes five photons hitting the retina to push an electron down the optic nerve to the processing centre, Where the model of the present Universe is then held for future reference. Perceiving a door, and grasping the handle is all virtual. As the hand and handle etc. are mostly empty space. (is the handle telling us its a handle?) Time and Space are virtual as well, but would have had to be created to make any reality / program work.
When everything is boiled down, their has to be an observation point that cannot be destroyed ,a point of consciousness that , to survive might just copy/clone itself or just be bullet proof, to make the observations in this reality or any others. It might even exist in a static safe place outside all the realities. Their might even be multiple universes, or multiple realities or multiple programs, but the input is most likely virtual like this one. If it wasn't it might destroy the observer, which wouldn't be bio centric. Or then again if its all virtual nothing could be destroyed it only would appear that way to other observers, as perceived information.

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a reply to: anonentity

Extremely well elaborated response my friend! I must wholesomely agree with your perception, it seems that quite possibly the ignorance in believing that the act of death is necessary in order to free the consciousness is the very reason this is still believed a theory. They need to consider the implications of life to understand death. The physical body takes shape before the consciousness awakens within it, therefore the consciousness by entering the being can not be restricted by it. If the consciousness is immortal and the body mortal then by processes of discernment one would comprehend that impermanence cannot restrict permanence.

First. He is an md. Not phd. So saying scientist Is a bit if a stretch. He is good at pop culture but I read his book in pursuit of my philosophy capstone, entitled biocentrism. I have to ask anyone who parctcipates in this to read his work from a scientific approach. The first third of his work is grounded in science. The next third is small leaps. The last third is unbelievable if you stick to logic. My friends this man smells like a charlatan to me

And consciousness is a result of our sensory perceptions. What happens when perceptions stop? That my friend is death. Parts live on but the culmination known as consciousness is ended. Don't be megnomaniac with your consciousness. Have humility