Scientists Claim Quantum Theory Proves Consciousness Moves To Another Universe At Death

A book titled “Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness Are the Keys to Understanding the Nature of the Universe“ has stirred up the Internet, because it contained a notion that life does not end when the body dies, and it can last forever. The author of this publication, scientist Dr. Robert Lanza who was voted the 3rd most important scientist alive by the NY Times, has no doubts that this is possible. - See more at: www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com...

Very interesting, it appears science is on the horizon of merging back with spirituality. What implications could you all see coming from such a revelation? Please share your thoughts!

a reply to: EviLCHiMP

There was a post about this a while ago. You can check it out here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Malthus
a reply to: EviLCHiMP

There was a post about this a while ago. You can check it out here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

My bad, thanks! Mods can you delete this please.

A Theory is an idea that is presented as possibly true but that is not known or proven to be true


If the theory is not proven to be a fact then how can Quantum Theory Prove Consciousness Moves To Another Universe At Death?

ummm, we're not sure this theory is right but it for sure proves this other theory.....

It's what's called tying up the loose ends.

a reply to: mwood

Yes, but they are on to something. :-)

originally posted by: smurfy
It's what's called tying up the loose ends.

I like your perception my friend.

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP

A book titled “Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness Are the Keys to Understanding the Nature of the Universe“ has stirred up the Internet, because it contained a notion that life does not end when the body dies, and it can last forever. The author of this publication, scientist Dr. Robert Lanza who was voted the 3rd most important scientist alive by the NY Times, has no doubts that this is possible. - See more at: www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com...

Very interesting, it appears science is on the horizon of merging back with spirituality. What implications could you all see coming from such a revelation? Please share your thoughts!

You've got it in the first post mister,well done!

There have been a couple of threads floating around lately concerning science and religion and there are a growing number of Christians, myself included that agree with you.

Science is going down the path of discovering and defining who God is and what happens after death.

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
...life does not end when the body dies, and it can last forever.
...
...What implications could you all see coming from such a revelation? ...

Implications?
Well - if proven Correct... Then, we might have evidence (or, a supporting argument) that Quantum Theory is on the right path.
If proven incorrect - perhaps that would be enough to justify tossing Quantum Theory out on the street with all the homeless...and giving another theory-or-two, a shot at the limelight.

Consciousness resides, according to Stuart and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose, in the microtubules of the brain cells, which are the primary sites of quantum processing. Upon death, this information is released from your body, meaning that your consciousness goes with it. They have argued that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects in these microtubules, a theory which they dubbed orchestrated objective reduction (Orch-OR).

Sounds to me like when the conscious can no longer "reside" in your dead brain microtubules that consciousness would no longer exist in a manner were it would be organized and capable of supporting a thought. So what information that was once your "consciousness" survives but not in a manner that you would consider your still alive. When a rain drop impacts the ground and disperses itself into mist is it still a raindrop? Nope.

originally posted by: Xeven

Sounds to me like when the conscious can no longer "reside" in your dead brain microtubules that consciousness would no longer exist in a manner were it would be organized and capable of supporting a thought. So what information that was once your "consciousness" survives but not in a manner that you would consider your still alive. When a rain drop impacts the ground and disperses itself into mist is it still a raindrop? Nope.

No, you're right, it's not still a rain drop.

But it is still H20, just in a different form.....

MR

I'm sure a large portion of the population, self included, have expected this for some time. Science and Spirituality...no different. One is just a name for the answer, the other is a method to find it.

Hell, the Mayan's formulated a celestial calendar that marked moments in the universe that were THOUSANDS of years apart. Was it a 'theory' calendar? They weren't here to validate their claim on 12/21, but we were. We have billions of dollars (if not trillions) in hardware in space and on Earth, designed to do one thing...look into the Heavens...

And we're not 100% sure how many planets are in our Solar System

a reply to: EviLCHiMP

The title of course is misleading , as no such proof exixts.

I wonder if this would mean the "big bang" happens when the red door is selected rather than the blue, a whole universe Pops...into existence.

'Scientists 'claim'"
'...have no doubts that this is possible'

>yawn<

Of course the source is 'Spirit Science and Metaphysics' so I can't blame them for addressing their audience. No one's at a sushi restaurant for chicken nuggets.

originally posted by: WanDash

originally posted by: EviLCHiMP
...life does not end when the body dies, and it can last forever.
...
...What implications could you all see coming from such a revelation? ...

Implications?
Well - if proven Correct... Then, we might have evidence (or, a supporting argument) that Quantum Theory is on the right path.
If proven incorrect - perhaps that would be enough to justify tossing Quantum Theory out on the street with all the homeless...and giving another theory-or-two, a shot at the limelight.

Precisely as this seems to be a theory only provable through the experience of death. I find that ironically humorous!

a reply to: EviLCHiMP

Science and spiritually go hand in hand, seeing such a divide between the two is frustrating. Here's a beautiful quote from Carl Sagan:

"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light‐years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual.
So are our emotions in the presence of great art or music or literature, or acts of exemplary selfless courage such as those of Mohandas Gandhi or Martin Luther King, Jr. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."

Has anyone read the book?

originally posted by: MrDesolate
'Scientists 'claim'"
'...have no doubts that this is possible'

>yawn<

Of course the source is 'Spirit Science and Metaphysics' so I can't blame them for addressing their audience. No one's at a sushi restaurant for chicken nuggets.

Your ability to state your opinion whilst displaying humility is admirable my friend. You set a good example for others and I thank you for that.

a reply to: Jennyfrenzy

Very perceptive! For one to find the commonality between the manifest and unmanifest is a sign of great wisdom. Thank you for sharing the wisdom of Carl Sagan, he is truly an enlightened soul.

originally posted by: Xeven


Sounds to me like when the conscious can no longer "reside" in your dead brain microtubules that consciousness would no longer exist in a manner were it would be organized and capable of supporting a thought. So what information that was once your "consciousness" survives but not in a manner that you would consider your still alive. When a rain drop impacts the ground and disperses itself into mist is it still a raindrop? Nope.

I can empathize with your point of view, however your perspective is still centered around a single universe vantage point. Trying to study the above theory on as "single universe" level is basically impossible.

However what Dr. Lanza seems to be saying(and his fellow collaborators) is that the consciousness is being processed in the microtubules but that it itself is in quantum flux and the brain is interacting with it on a quantum level. In essence, his theories are brought forth in another theoretical framework, the multiverse theory inside of quantum physics framework. When you couple that with the overall "Multiverse" theory / parallel universes theory, your consciousness is in quantum flux among millions, even trillions of instances or "realities". Your consciousness is participating in many realities, even though right now you perceive only one reality is being navigated.

Am I stating any of that as fact? Nope, not at all. I'm just explaining to you how one must view the theories that Dr. Lanza et al. have put forth.

If science were able to prove in the future that indeed there are near limitless concurrent and yet alternate realities, then all of the above at such a time will be viewed as basic and self evident.

As it stands now, it's still a fascinating theory to ponder.

X

originally posted by: Xatnys

originally posted by: Xeven


Sounds to me like when the conscious can no longer "reside" in your dead brain microtubules that consciousness would no longer exist in a manner were it would be organized and capable of supporting a thought. So what information that was once your "consciousness" survives but not in a manner that you would consider your still alive. When a rain drop impacts the ground and disperses itself into mist is it still a raindrop? Nope.

I can empathize with your point of view, however your perspective is still centered around a single universe vantage point. Trying to study the above theory on as "single universe" level is basically impossible.

However what Dr. Lanza seems to be saying(and his fellow collaborators) is that the consciousness is being processed in the microtubules but that it itself is in quantum flux and the brain is interacting with it on a quantum level. In essence, his theories are brought forth in another theoretical framework, the multiverse theory inside of quantum physics framework. When you couple that with the overall "Multiverse" theory / parallel universes theory, your consciousness is in quantum flux among millions, even trillions of instances or "realities". Your consciousness is participating in many realities, even though right now you perceive only one reality is being navigated.

Am I stating any of that as fact? Nope, not at all. I'm just explaining to you how one must view the theories that Dr. Lanza et al. have put forth.

If science were able to prove in the future that indeed there are near limitless concurrent and yet alternate realities, then all of the above at such a time will be viewed as basic and self evident.

As it stands now, it's still a fascinating theory to ponder.

X

Such as the googleplex! Great observation and analysis!