Bible following women how can you follow something that represses you?.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Even when it comes to sex the bible is poorly translated... which applies to her beliefs as well...

Now I wouldn't push her into anything she didn't want as well, but I get the whole "sex before marriage" argument...

This whole idea is based on misunderstanding... theres nothing that says sex before marriage is a sin...

I personally think its something that is wonderful and should be share with someone you love... She beliefs marriage should come first... which I don't agree with but accept anyways...

In any case it should never be forced upon anyone... it should be completely mutual...

IF a man says "if you don't have sex with me you don't love me" that person is ONLY looking for sex... which is in fact an unfair argument anyways...

Wow!!!

There are some strange posts here on this thread..but they are often textbook of the flesh and not of the Spirit...or at least the Spirit of God....but of another spirit.

There are also a number of posts with some very interesting and perceptive insight for those versed in His Word.


To the OP on page 1. You are quoting mostly the Olde Testament. No problem. I merely make note of it.

However..from a fleshly and fleshly spirit your post does not make good nonsense once you learn a few things about History..past, present, and future.


This involves a concept called RISK Taking. A concept and understanding missing from the posts of those interested in Equality.

In the past, present, and future...do you think for one minute a woman or female is interested in RISK Taking and then turning over the fruits of her RISK Taking to support a man in the style to which he is accustomed and believes himself entitled...in or out of marriage??

RISK taking changes everything. Yet by our Enlightened Leadership of today ..it is hardly mentioned.

Historically ..it is the men who have taken the Most RISKS in life such that their women and children have it easier ...without work and without Certain RISKS in their social structures. This particularly in Western Judeo/Christian social structures. Yet todays enlightened peoples such as yourself boymonkey74 ..never mention such an subject or understanding.

All you have to do to test a woman's belief in equality is put her in a position or task where her life can be snuffed out ..damaged...or work in uncomfortable conditions...to see how much risk she is willing to take and then turn over her production to someone else ...for their discretionary spending and consumption.


This knowledge is totally missing from your post while pushing the PC version of History and misquoting the Bible.
You have to go to public schools to become so ignorant that you miss out on this type of Knowledge and History.
Only public schools can dumb people down so far that they miss out totally on this understanding and knowledge of RISK TAKING.

Want me to prove it to you and the readers...??? It really is simple and does not require a rocket genius to prove.

If a woman makes 70 cents for every dollar a man makes for the same work....why would anyone ever want to hire a man ..ever??

Yet our cheap phony PC leadership keeps trying to push this devout religious mantra of female victimization off on the rest of us as a new Gospel..without teaching about the angle of RISK Taking. RISK TAKING is totally avoided in this religion of yours and our leadership.

Also for your further Enlightenment you need to know that historically in the anti god...socialist..equality believing Soviet Union..where women were granted Equality status...by the time the Soviets got done with their anti god system...women lived on the average two years less than the men.

This information's is suppressed from us in the west such that we think socialism is the way to go.

You will find it in ...

"http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Power-History-Amaury-Riencourt/dp/0385286783

In the chapter on sex and power in the communist/socialist nations.

However..what Amaury De Riencourt does not do in this book is explain that the Soviet nations...are the anti god nations...just as are you doing boymonkey74...in your haste to demonstrate your Enlightenment.

I will also add that our own news media as well as public education are hesitant to mention this tie in to Religion...the other Religion. Or that women lived shorter lives in the Anti God Soviet union. This is not accidental...but deliberate ignorance being promoted in the name of Enlightenment and Illumination. It is none of these.

The willingness of the male to take RISKS for his woman and children and turn over his production to them for their discretionary consumption ..without RISK on their part...is one of the greatest adaptations in history and has reached its apex in Western Judeo/Christian economies. These are also the economies where there are much more consumer oriented goods and time saving, personal pampering, and leisure devices, mostly dedicated to women and children. Or to put it another way ..in these Western Judeo/Christian social structures and economies has been produced the "greatest plenty" this world has ever known. It has been exported from here to other nations which have never known this fingerprint of plenty.

Yet this willingness is totally avoided by you boymonkey74 and your continued posts on this thread. No problem. I merely need to show the whole perspective to the readers out here for what it is.

Ketsuko makes an excellent post on page 1 of this thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Seeker1963..

My first marriage I was suppose to do all the manly things, but not allowed to be a man! I think we can safely say that men and women in this day and age can often switch roles?

This is an excellent point and I have known a number of males and men in this same situation. NO recognition for the RISKS taken ..but their beliefs and values substituted with hers. NO ability to be a man but only an ox..to pull the wagon by RISK taking. This is called High Maintenance.

What it means is that a man should expect first fruits from his woman and not come in last place behind the women and children...while taking first place RISKS for them. This does not mean that Sex is first place fruits on her part. That is the phony type of thinking that is so prevalent on this type of boards and threads.

I know lots of women for whom sex and sexuality is the main tool in their tool box...anything else would take RISK and thought. This is high maintenance.

The most valuable commodity a woman brings to a man who knows..is Peace..not Piece. Yet with deep thinkers like boymonkey74 and others this line of thought is totally missing from the topic.

Nowhere in the Bible or God's Word do you find any such instruction for a Believer to ever define themselves by their sexuality and sexual orientation. Yet you find this all across the spectrum in Western Social structures today..to glorify ones self by sexuality. Particularly among women.

Once you understand this deep down in ones soul...you can see the phonies in government, public education,. the media, and on boards/threads like this here on ATS and other sites.

You must needs become , without knowing it, a sexually oriented society that you can be better controlled by your emotions and instant gratification beliefs. And sex and sexuality is the dominant religion being promoted by people who believe this devoutly.

Once you understand this pattern ..you can go back and see peoples posts such as boymonkey74 and see them for what they are...They don't even make good nonsense. But they are stamped out Xerox copies of Political Correctness. Same as our leadership today..

Well..enough of this for now. I hope some of you can see, hear, and understand sufficiently to know the pattern of what I am speaking that you can spot is clearly when the next attempt comes to pass this nonsense off as Enlightenment when it Is no such thing.


Thanks to all for their posts,
Orangetom

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: bitsforbytes

Because religion is a cancer and just rules made up by men.
God wouldn't repress women...only man would.
If people think the Bible is the word of God they have to agree with the passages above.
The 10 commandments should be 6 because 4 of them are obviously just made up to keep people in the religious club by instilling fear.
The rest (6) are obvious and even Atheists know these things are wrong....morals do not come from any book they come from within.
Oh and fight against all religion because it attacked me first...in real life and here on ATS.
If it was just in Church and homes I wouldn't care but when It is pushed into government, schools and my face I push back.

boymonkey74,

I went back and looked at some of your other posts on this page and back up what I stated in my previous post. You are publically educated..meaning a television and movie education in emotions. That is how a lot of women tend to think ..by their emotions.

In case you do not know...Amendment 1 is and was intended as a limit on government. All the first ten amendments to the US Constitution were intended as limits on government..not on the people.

Our phony court system has installed a Talmudic Ruling called the exclusionary rule which goes against the first Amendment and allows the government to do what the first ten Amendments were never intended to do..limit the people.

It is the Government which was to be bound by the Constitution ..not the people. Limited government.

If religion is a cancer and rules made up by men...so too with most laws as they are made up by men.

Your logic and reason are appalling.

As to government not repressing women...only man would. Here again you are showing your public education thinking...from emotions.

I have news for you boymonkey 74...women would repress other women...in particularly to repress competition in the marketplace. I cannot imagine what you are possibly thinking here.

I recently finished reading this book...

'Women's Inhumanity to women" By Phyllis Chesler

www.amazon.com...

This was an eye opening book about women ..and the control games they play among themselves in order to repress other women...on the job and off the job. I am grateful to the woman who referred this book to me.

originally posted by: orangetom1999

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: bitsforbytes

Because religion is a cancer and just rules made up by men.
God wouldn't repress women...only man would.
If people think the Bible is the word of God they have to agree with the passages above.
The 10 commandments should be 6 because 4 of them are obviously just made up to keep people in the religious club by instilling fear.
The rest (6) are obvious and even Atheists know these things are wrong....morals do not come from any book they come from within.
Oh and fight against all religion because it attacked me first...in real life and here on ATS.
If it was just in Church and homes I wouldn't care but when It is pushed into government, schools and my face I push back.

boymonkey74,

I went back and looked at some of your other posts on this page and back up what I stated in my previous post. You are publically educated..meaning a television and movie education in emotions. That is how a lot of women tend to think ..by their emotions.

In case you do not know...Amendment 1 is and was intended as a limit on government. All the first ten amendments to the US Constitution were intended as limits on government..not on the people.

Our phony court system has installed a Talmudic Ruling called the exclusionary rule which goes against the first Amendment and allows the government to do what the first ten Amendments were never intended to do..limit the people.

It is the Government which was to be bound by the Constitution ..not the people. Limited government.

If religion is a cancer and rules made up by men...so too with most laws as they are made up by men.

Your logic and reason are appalling.

As to government not repressing women...only man would. Here again you are showing your public education thinking...from emotions.

I have news for you boymonkey 74...women would repress other women...in particularly to repress competition in the marketplace. I cannot imagine what you are possibly thinking here.

I recently finished reading this book...

'Women's Inhumanity to women" By Phyllis Chesler

www.amazon.com...

This was an eye opening book about women ..and the control games they play among themselves in order to repress other women...on the job and off the job. I am grateful to the woman who referred this book to me.

It appears to me repression and sterotyping comes in many forms and from many people...specifically, those people that continue to follow the patriarchial path in work and in their personal and religious life, without much thought or research into the real facts. I would also add that selecting reading material that only caters to one's biases shows closed-mindedness and a need to reinforce their discriminatory slant on a particular situation. There are many books written on man's inhumanity to man - not only an eye opener but a stomach emptier.

We have not come a long way, "baby".

This week the Church of England agreed to ordain women bishops, and the world is asking: Why did it take you so long?

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...

We should turn our thoughts to 'unconscious and ingrained' cognitive biases that still remain unrecognized by many in all walks of life.

"But this only seems puzzling because we tend to think that bias is an evil word, tainted with ugly -isms and the deliberate diminishing of certain kinds of people. Current research is showing that all human beings have unconscious cognitive biases — what Harvard professor Mahzarin Banaji calls “mind bugs.” These biases may have been adaptive thousands of years ago, when people lived in small, homogeneous communities and in-group favoritism or snap judgments might have made the difference between life or death. But they are problematic in our global 21st century world."

ideas.time.com...

And, so, it continues.

www.pnas.org...

a reply to: boymonkey74

I read both versions repeatedly throughout my life but I wouldn't say I follow the teachings of either ancient written text, rather most of the teachings and attending church further reinforced the fact there is still a need that we must address the continuing discrimination against women who seek an equal leadership role in the church to that of men. I also question some of Jesus' teachings as I would do with anyone whose statements seem off-the-mark to me, or how it applies to positive religious and spiritual growth for all, not for some.

"It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil. If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men, the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui." Helen Keller

a reply to: WarminIndy

Akra, not your beliefs is what we are actually talking about. We are talking about the idea of women who believe in the Bible, why do they follow what "represses" them?

We are speaking in the context of marital relationships, which includes sex.

Are women expected to submit to the sexual desire of the man, simply because he expects it of her to do so? Is it mutual if the women must be talked into it? And if she must be talked into it, going against her own conscience, but gives in because the man makes her feel like she must to show that she loves him, and he is the one doing the suggestion, then it isn't actually mutual and her conscience is repressed, for his desire.

That is part of the question in the OP.

But how many women know what I am talking about, how you are the one who must give in to the man, even if you don't want to, but you just can't get it through his head that you would rather not, but he plays the "you don't love me" game.

WarminIndy,

This is such an insult to a man who can think things through. I will grant you that most men and males cannot think things through and for themselves. Both the males and females out here tend towards putting sex and sexuality up on a pedestal as if it is the most valuable commodity out here. It becomes a tool for acquiring other goods and services or for instant gratification..by both males and females. In this it becomes repression.

I've had a number of women and females over the years come to me with that tired and worn out olde tack and technique of "You come to me for only one thing."

I have learned that this is often a method or technique of a woman trying to increase her value in the marketplace or leverage over a man by use or misuse of her sexuality. The sex principle.

This because so many women are groomed and by instinct to think and believe that their sex and sexuality is a very valuable commodity in the marketplace and is therefore leverage over a male.

I am very quick to let these or this caliber of woman and female know that I can get women to come over and take off their clothes. And I also know women for whom taking off their clothes is the only skill set that they have in their tool box. Anything else would take work, risk, and commitment.

I let them know that such an woman can sleep with me..or not sleep with me. But this is only " In Addition To" bringing me something valuable.

I have taught this knowledge to a number of young men who constantly run across this tack being used or attempted by women and females to censor/control them.

If they are capable of any intelligent thought at all...these women quickly drop this line of sex and sexuality...

You learn that most of these women are not accustomed to dealing with a man who can think this one through ..not emote...but think.

This is how many women substitute their values and thinking for a man's values and thinking without offering something of real intrinsic value. Sex is not it.



You also learn that it does not take a woman long to wonder if you are not sleeping with her....where are you going and what are you doing?? They are indeed ..that competitive ..and insecure.



Repression..I will tell you about repression.

I know many men and males out here who are raising families...and must needs maintain a home and vehicles...etc etc.
Little or no help from their women who are mostly in the fast food lane of life..a television and movie education..a peer group education.

One of the worst things that can happen to their women...is that these womens cars break down. That their lifestyle is altered thusly. So to with the children...and in many cases the grandchildren.
The men must often needs keep all these things going ..... "In Addition to " their jobs ..their other work.

No one helps them..no one rescues these men. No one buys them one of the most valuable commodities in this world..time. Or to put it another way..Peace.

Peace is the last thing these men get. They must often settle for sex/piece instead..and carefully metered out.

For there is nothing that drives a woman more crazy than to see a man hanging around doing nothing when he can be doing stuff for her and the children instead...particularly in a time of equality.

This is repression WarminIndy. These men often come in last place while taking first place risk with their lives and on their jobs. Even last place behind the pets.

No amount of sex and sexuality can make up for this misery..repression...and high maintenance. Particularly in a time and day of women having equality..but not equal RISK. Only the appearance of these things.

For a man who knows the pattern...your post about a woman's sex and sexuality is an insult.

It is not that valuable a commodity out here. In order to keep the men and males from knowing ..a male must needs be deliberately dumbed down..and feminized. And many of them are thus indeed...and getting worse.

If all a woman has in her tool box is sex and sexuality ..WarminIndy..she is high maintenance. So when I see a post on here by a woman and belaboring sex and sexuality..it is an insult to someone who can think it through for what it is.

It falls very similar to these afternoon talk shows on the boob tube...take the sex and sexuality away..and you will have no program..no movie..no entertainment.

With many women..take sex and sexuality away..and what do you have of value there???

But most men and males are terrified of being cut off....an oil shortage. What a dumb bunch of men and males.

A woman's sex and sexuality are not leverage to me. She must be capable of bringing me something much much more valuable. Peace...not piece.

Piece does not require that much commitment from a woman. I know women for whom they would rather bring a man piece..than the commitment levels needed to bring him Peace. Not difficult to figure out ..unless one is a male blindsided by Oil shortage thinking. And many today are indeed blindsided...both male and female.

Notice that I have not even mentioned the Bible here???

Thus your post is a double insult.

Thanks to all for their posts,
Orangetom

a reply to: InTheLight

It appears to me repression and sterotyping comes in many forms and from many people...specifically, those people that continue to follow the patriarchial path in work and in their personal and religious life, without much thought or research into the real facts. I would also add that selecting reading material that only caters to one's biases shows closed-mindedness and a need to reinforce their discriminatory slant on a particular situation. There are many books written on man's inhumanity to man - not only an eye opener but a stomach emptier.

I've told you and others in previous posts, InTheLight, that here in the west it cannot possibly be a patriarchal society or path in a nation with so much market share directed to the consumption of women and females. The female cannot possibly be downtrodden and "Victimized" in a marketplace with so much personal pampering products directed to her...and the children.

This line of thinking is never brought up in the feminist books or biases. It is totally avoided..but one can see it in any department or grocery store across this land. Whenever I have run across foreign women who come to this nation for the first time..they are amazed at the variety of goods and services available..paraticularly to the woman and family. They are also amazed that American women control that much of the finances...and the direction and on what the monies are spent. Want to know why so many are eager to come here...that is why.

This is also why so often the theme ..politically, socially, and economically...among the feminists is one of repression...the burka doctrine and dogma...ie...."Victimization."

Oh..Don't worry....most men and males are to worried about an oil shortage and being cut off to think it through for the phoniness and deception that it is.

This nation is not a patriarchal society..it is a matriarchal society masquerading as a patriarchal society. By stealth..by covert hidden means.

The average American male...give him a little alcohol, sports, and sex and he is good for another 100,000 miles without thinking about the real nature of anything. He will never figure it out until it collapses and he is tasked with taking the RISK to rebuilt it under direction of a feminine government...while coming in last place for his RISKS taken.


It is obvious to me that the feminist technique and bias..is one of censorship/control...and this is becoming more and more obvious by their meetings where they have excluded people..even reporters who do not cater to their beiefs and thoughts. Tolerance anyone??

This very feminine technique, in and of this world, is also and exactly the feminine technique of todays government. Censorship and control. It is even becoming obvious to the very left and liberal reporters that they are being censored by government and todays leadership.

It is exactly the same fingerprint of operation as todays Enlightened Feminists....censorship and control of the marketplace..even the marketplace of thoughts and ideas.

And I can do this same pattern with other social causes..demonstrate censorship and control..not free marketplace of ideas and thoughts.


As to this InTheLight...

"But this only seems puzzling because we tend to think that bias is an evil word, tainted with ugly -isms and the deliberate diminishing of certain kinds of people. Current research is showing that all human beings have unconscious cognitive biases — what Harvard professor Mahzarin Banaji calls “mind bugs.” These biases may have been adaptive thousands of years ago, when people lived in small, homogeneous communities and in-group favoritism or snap judgments might have made the difference between life or death. But they are problematic in our global 21st century world."

Life and death is an issue which never goes away...everyone is subject to it...in multitudes of ways. Some more so than others.

In order to fit everyone into the control group..and control and regulate biases...ie...censor...we often today quote a college professor..or some pseudo expert...from a lab or classroom.

This is totally contrary to individual liberty...but it is the bee hive principle at work.

I do not travel to the east ..up seven steps..but I do know the pattern back to ancient times and in ancient cultures and religions. It is not new and it is in fact attempting to be revived through Enlightenment principles at work today in government and education paid for by government. Stamped out Xerox copies of the same controlled regulated biases while demanding tolerance of others and giving none.

If a college professor was any good at anything they would not be secure and safe in tenure but out here in the marketplace..taking RISKS for their monies and making a real difference.. instead of teaching biases to our children...and attempting to pass it off as enlightenment.

All these pseudo intellectuals do is diminish the value of other peoples risk taking in order to cubbyhole them into their biases and control group..for political purposes..lucre. Exactly what government does to people...which is why government finances education in this nation...no individual thinking going on or tolerated.

And this intolerant bias on the part of the left and the feminist groups as well as others ...particularly the government and media ..is becoming obvious...even to the left leaning intolerant media..and finally down to the every day public.
They know something is very wrong with the program being run. Many just do not know what.

Thanks to all for their posts,
Orangetom

a reply to: orangetom1999


You didn't read the paper I posted did you? I thought not.

Akragon

Even when it comes to sex the bible is poorly translated... which applies to her beliefs as well...

Are you sure about this?? I ask because I don't believe the main position of the Bible is sex or sexuality.


As I understand it the Bible is a set of instructions or disciplines to show a people how to live their lives and not be like the nations surrounding them who were already worshiping sex and sex principles in their holidays and festivals.
This is what is meant in the Olde Testament in the worshipping in the groves and high places in the daytime and in the valleys at night. These were the bunny clubs of those days.

There are many references in the Bible to whoredom. This often means spiritual whoredom. Once a people go down the road of spiritual whoredom ..all the other whoredoms follow.

One has to know some ideas and concepts outside of secular reasoning and thoughts today which avoid this type of pattern recognition.

No thinking person defines who and what they are by their sex and sexuality...for people are so much much more than this kind of thing. But this line of thought it totally avoided in our institutions of higher learning as well as by most ministers today. It ought not to be so.

I am not talking here against sex and sexuality..but only that there is an knowledge and understanding that people are so much more than this. But you would hardly understand this by observing todays culture and what tries to pass for Enlightenment. So too with todays leadership.

IF a man says "if you don't have sex with me you don't love me" that person is ONLY looking for sex... which is in fact an unfair argument anyways...

Thank you for making my point in a previous post about sex being used or misused as leverage. Both sexes use or misuse it in this manner. It is just that with females it is often more subtle and hence often not caught for the attempt at leverage that it is.

Thanks,
Orangetom

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: orangetom1999


You didn't read the paper I posted did you? I thought not.

I read it InTheLight.

Did you catch what is missing from it in an attempt to bring about Equality??? To paint a level playing field??

Orangetom

originally posted by: orangetom1999

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: orangetom1999


You didn't read the paper I posted did you? I thought not.

I read it InTheLight.

Did you catch what is missing from it in an attempt to bring about Equality??? To paint a level playing field??

Orangetom

What I catch is what you fail to catch. The paper's findings touch upon a controversial subject - still yet to be studied in more depth and brings to light the unconscious bias stemming from our past deriving from many factors, and a large part from religious teachings and the blind faith following of those teachings with it's ancient discrimination and racism where the questioning of those lessons are taboo. So, tell me, Orangetom, what did you catch that I missed?

Do you ever catch the subtle way that you, more often than not, portray men as non-risk-taking victims in your posts?

a reply to: orangetom1999

Well the whole sex before marriage with Christians is usually backed by this...

1 Corinthians 7:2
But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

So the question is... what exactly is immoral about two consenting adults having sex?

Nothing obviously... Now it can be used immorally...

a man could be using the women for sex... or vice versa... OR a women could use sex to have a child and trap her man...

but it can also be because the two individuals enjoy each other's company and want to express that... or perhaps they're in love...

Generally speaking sex is not immoral, its part of our nature to want it...

So we fall back to the word "fornication"... which is a word Jesus actually used...

porneía (the root of the English terms "pornography, pornographic"; cf. 4205 /pórnos) which is derived from pernaō, "to sell off") – properly, a selling off (surrendering) of sexual purity; promiscuity of any (every) type

And as you can see... the word in greek means to sell something...

Clearly said person is not selling their soul... because its not theirs to sell anyways...

SO what you're left with is selling sex... prostitution! Which is the oldest profession in history...

And considered sexually immoral...

Plus we can assume back then most women were not as willing to have sex with someone just for fun in most cases as we do today... But IF they did, it was most likely going to be with someone they care about... not just to get off...

Its pretty clear that sex before marriage isn't a horrible thing as the church wants you to believe

Its just another way for them to control their members in my humble opinion

a reply to: Akragon

I think you are a bit slow here and have to much sex on your mind.

I am speaking here of one defining ones self by their sex and sexuality...also a government interfering here...controlling and regulating..even raising our children in this fingerprint or index so as to have them know so much about sex ..but not about how to earn a living or take RISKS to so do.
A television movie education in emotional instant gratification..ie..a sexual education.

In short ..to glorify ones self by sex and sexuality. This is whoredom...spiritual whoredom as well. It requires no education or thinking to so do this kind of thing.

That is all I get out of your posts..one way , one minded sexuality..exactly as was being done in the nations surrounding ancient Israel..and exactly what our leadership is attempting to return us back to today. To a pre flood world...with all the trimmings.

This is what todays education has become...mental whoredom...followed quickly by spiritual whoredom.

I am not teaching or preaching here against sex or sexuality per se but the ignorance and stupidity which is surrounding it today and being called Enlightened, preferred or even acceptable..normal.


All I have to do to know something is very very wrong is watch these man on the street interviews of news people asking the public on the street some thoughtful..inciteful questions about the world around them or deep philosophy or ideas and it is a blank stare.

Now ask them about sex and sexuality..and watch what happens??

That is what I am decrying..ignorance and stupidity...institutionalized. Talk about being controlled...Wow!!

This kind of ignorance must be carefully cultivated to be so widespread.


Thanks,
Orangetom



Post Script...

Plus we can assume back then most women were not as willing to have sex with someone just for fun in most cases as we do today... But IF they did, it was most likely going to be with someone they care about... not just to get off...

Wow!! I think your education is highly incomplete here. You obviously don't know what was happening back in Ancient Rome..or the cities like Corinth..Ephesus et al. All across the ancient empires.

The rites of Venus ..or the depravities of some of the female goddesses back into ancient history.

Just some additional thoughts ..no cover charge.

a reply to: orangetom1999

Wow all women think by their emotions do they? More BS you controllers want to spread about women, they can be very good logical thinkers.
Not going to bother to be honest with this thread because It is obvious the people whom disagree and think the Bible is all great for women are the people who want to control them.
Reading your posts it is obvious you enjoy controlling women and want them put down, they are equal to men sorry but they are in law and in spirit.
This isn't 1930 anymore even though you would love it to be.,

a reply to: orangetom1999

Also stop with the personal attacks calling people slow and such.

a reply to: orangetom1999

LOL

I'll remember next time you ask a question you're only looking for an oportunity to insult or otherwise degrade a person's thoughts

Well done

My apologies..double post.

Orangetom

boymonkey74

Wow all women think by their emotions do they? More BS you controllers want to spread about women, they can be very good logical thinkers.
Not going to bother to be honest with this thread because It is obvious the people whom disagree and think the Bible is all great for women are the people who want to control them.
Reading your posts it is obvious you enjoy controlling women and want them put down, they are equal to men sorry but they are in law and in spirit.
This isn't 1930 anymore even though you would love it to be.,

LOL LOL LOL...boymonkey74,

Like other posters here..I think it went right over your head. I was stating that you think like a woman...emotionally. That you wanted to back out and extend to yourself that feminine option...tells me precisely that.
No problem by me...I merely make note of it.

I know women with more backbone than that which you display here. And though I do not always agree with her...InTheLight is one of them. She also displays more logic and reason...than do you.

As to controlling women..I have no use for controlling women. I prefer a woman or women with intelligence and also self discipline. The self discipline is most important. Otherwise they are High Maintenance.

The women I know...do not want a man with higher emotions than they...higher drama levels. They are not interested in underwriting a mans maintenance costs. They prefer a man with some intelligence and disciplines...to bring them options..not they suffer a man;s high maintenance costs. Particularly if it means to so do she must constantly operate above and beyond most female/feminine.. entitlement/option social beliefs.
I know a number of women who are doing this ..supporting their men who are more feminine/high maintenance than they...they are not happy with this status as it means less options for them...fewer satisfied emotions.

What you display here is drama...once again I merely make mention of it.


As to your time warp technique of going back to the 1930s....I refer you to an actuary table of the lifespans of people.

For there is no greater example of loss of power in this world than loss of life. You will find that even back then in the 1930s..and even into the times I referred to Akragon in the cities of Ephesus and Corinth in the times of Ancient Rome...men lived shorter lives than women. It was not a wonderful great deal back then for men..as well. A concept which is pretty much avoided by todays feminists and deep thinkers like yourself in their haste to default through without debate or dissenting views.
You have to know some history to understand this...beyond instant gratification beliefs/emotions....ie options...pseudo thinking and entitlement.

Your posts boymonkey 74 are not very logical..but they are politic/feminine. And politic and such biases are what often passes for intelligence today...even for entitlement.

I just don't buy into it or at times let it pass on boards like this one and others.

By the way...notice I have not to yet mentioned the Bible in this post. Nor emotional emphasis like the word or expression BS. I can do that too but for this purpose it is not necessary.

Hope this helps you and others who read this.

Thanks,
Orangettom

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: orangetom1999

LOL

I'll remember next time you ask a question you're only looking for an oportunity to insult or otherwise degrade a person's thoughts

Well done

Akragon,

Some of us out here are still salty...not sugary and sweet. We do not easily get our feathers ruffled . We do not loose sleep over what others say or think of us. We do not easily go into panic mode or insult mode when someone disagrees with us as you can tell by my posts to monkeyboy74.

Or put another way..we are not that sensitive.

It is my earnest hope I have not gotten your measure incorrectly..but I judge you more suited to understanding and comprehending this than monkeyboy74.

All the best,
Orangetom

originally posted by: orangetom1999

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: orangetom1999

LOL

I'll remember next time you ask a question you're only looking for an oportunity to insult or otherwise degrade a person's thoughts

Well done

Akragon,

Some of us out here are still salty...not sugary and sweet. We do not easily get our feathers ruffled . We do not loose sleep over what others say or think of us. We do not easily go into panic mode or insult mode when someone disagrees with us as you can tell by my posts to monkeyboy74.

Or put another way..we are not that sensitive.

It is my earnest hope I have not gotten your measure incorrectly..but I judge you more suited to understanding and comprehending this than monkeyboy74.

All the best,
Orangetom

Here's salt in your eye OT and if you look back you will turn into a pillar of salt...it's just so off topic and I see you don't need any bait.