Research Suggests We Unconsciously React to Events Up to 10 Seconds Before They Happen

It's a bit obvious. It's like when someone is going to do something to you maybe poke your knows and such. Your body reacts to it before it even happens. Or when you are about to be shown something, you have a sort of jump before you are shown the item/object/image.

originally posted by: Terminal1
Was watching an episode of Through the Wormhole", I think it was the episode with the God Helmet though I could be wrong. But it occurred to me then that there may be a lag between reality and our perception of it. Was thinking 3-4 seconds at the time. 10 seconds seems a bit much though.

I agree. Time is probably not what we perceive it to be. What seems like a minute to me could seem like 3 or 4 minutes to another person.
I was in a pretty bad car accident several years ago where a lady broadsided me at 50 mph. It happened in a flash and I was unconscious for a couple of minutes. When I came to I described the car that hit me, who was driving, and the fact that the lady driving the car was reaching in to her back seat to swat a child. Also knew there were 3 children in the car too.
All of that in a matter of a second. Time seemed to stand still for that brief moment. I recall thinking to myself that I was going to die and it was almost Christmas and I wouldn't be with my kids.
Seems almost Matrix-like.

a reply to: Daz3d-n-Confus3d

Cognition in humans is sub-luminal. Our nerve response is in the hundreds of feet per second range. The things we see are represented to our brain as fast as nerve impulses travel but are way below light speed. Humans have an inherent inability to perceive the world in real time. Our brain has evolved ways around this physical barrier by a kind of quantum control. We can perceive slightly into the future to overcome nerve system speed limitations to our bodies.

a reply to: caterpillage

Wow you described exactly what I have expereinced from a young age. That is so true. The mind starts to "work" on the sound before you experience the sound


I think that these findings found that we humans are much more "energy sensitive" than we think/are led to believe. You need to relax and be intouch with your body/being. We are to trapped in our minds in today's age and cant hear what the universe is telling us.

originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: purplemer

Good find and many of these things are well known. The main problem is the materialist strain in science wants to treat consciousness as an emergent property of the material brain. This way they can just bury their heads in the sand because they don't have a physical explanation for consciousness. So if it's a emerges from the material brain, then it's really not important. It's a byproduct of materialism.

Sadly for them, there's zero evidence to support this notion.

Actually, there is: general anaestheisa.

a reply to: mbkennel

I think that there is a mix up of terms here. Consciousness is generally defined as "the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings." Simple as that. An integral part of being aware is receiving input from the environment. That is, having "senses". General anaesthesia quiets the senses. It is a purely physiological effect targeting the central nervous system.

The consciousness that we're talking about is more broadly defined as the mind. A much deeper consideration. The mind persists through "unconsciousness".

Take this example. There is an advanced robot. A highly intelligent, self-aware android. The robot has a button on it's back that can turn off ALL of its senses. The external senses, like the camera, microphone, kinetic sensors etc. and also all the internal sensors. Information stored in all the variables and arrays are inaccessible to any of the scripts that need them. Functions are suddenly blank. The computer, which is programmed to react to internal and external input is suddenly blindfolded. The thing is, everything is still there. The brain is still there. But it doesn't even know that it is there, because the variable that stores the information that says "I exist" is inaccessible. Once the blindfold is taken off, nothing is changed. All the information is accessible again, and the robot wakes up.

a reply to: purplemer

This is interesting stuff. It pops up, gets refuted, and pops up again. If it weren't for my own weird experiences with this I'd dismiss it. But it seems to happen.

I read a science article (I can't find right now) not too long ago, and it made the claim that a system can know the future so long as it does not change it. So basically, we can have premonitions, but only if we will not change the future we have premonitions about. Sort of a "Curse of Cassandra" thing. Makes sense to me.

a reply to: purplemer

if the mind is independent from the brain perhaps it is able to see beyond what the brain sees?

a reply to: purplemer

Now this is what interests me the most of these findings:

The implication is that “there must be a necessity for PAA to remain non-conscious most of the time”, given that “if some part of our nervous system can obtain information about events seconds in the future, wouldn’t we have evolved to make this information conscious?”

Why would our brains choose to keep it un-conscious, our brains know when to file it away and choose to for us ? How does our mind determine to categorize it as un-conscious ? What is the importance of filing it away and how does the brain/mind know to do this ? Why would it not be discarded ?

My questions make me think about:
Our brains are computers, they record everything they see and hear and capture it all and file it away. Our brains don't discard anything, they just push all the data back into the depths for retrieval later when deemed necessary. & sometimes never to be touched again ?

So how does our brain know to do this with the data?
Is it learned ? For example, lets take a look at a car accident. We travel in traffic conditions all the time. Alot of us travel the same daily route to and from work every day. We have a routine. Our brain picks up all the noises, sights and visuals along the way each and every day. It catalogs all of this in the back of our mind... we don't even have to think about it. We may even hear an accident occurring off in the distance and then our mind catalogs the sounds on the un-conscious level. Then one day... we have the accident and our brain recognizes the same sounds that it has cataloged in the past. So we are un-consciously aware. Why didn't we avoid the accident. I say it is because when our brain originally cataloged the accident, since we were not the one in immediate danger or directly involved it did not catalog the danger of the situation. It also did not catalog the actions required to avoid the accident. So not every visual was present... just some of them. So we have a fragmented catalog of sounds and sights in the back of our minds which our brain can pull back out the next time it encounters similar sights and sounds.

Finally: Why does our mind keep it un-conscious and why as the article suggests have we not evolved into making the info conscious:
Could it be too much data. Think about all the data we take in from the time of our birth onward... Do we have to experience similar situations for the brain to decide to pull the data to a conscious level and then new catalogs are kept in the back with added data for even more future situations that occur ?

I could go on and on... I kind feel like I'm babbling so I am going to stop now. But this kind of stuff really really interests me. lol

leolady

a reply to: caterpillageI kinda know that feeling,especially the phone or the door integrating with my dreams.
I have a way of sensing things before they happen,i've never counted how long before.
This sounds like an extremely interesting study.
This leads me to question if any of the people who took part were affected by abuse in their lives,as many who have endured abuses tend to predict whats coming up beforehand.
Just something that crossed my mind.

a reply to: leolady

It could be for the very reason if we lived in an anticipated future, ten or so seconds beyond the present we couldn't function in the here and now. Its one thing to anticipate an accident and pull over now and then , especially if it avoids life changing consequences. If it was conscious we would always be looking for an edge.

originally posted by: Onion88
a reply to: caterpillage

Wow you described exactly what I have expereinced from a young age. That is so true. The mind starts to "work" on the sound before you experience the sound


I think that these findings found that we humans are much more "energy sensitive" than we think/are led to believe. You need to relax and be intouch with your body/being. We are to trapped in our minds in today's age and cant hear what the universe is telling us.

Thankyou, nice to see it's not just me

I have proof of the ability of the brain to know something before it happens.

It was decades ago when the game of 'Trivial Pursuit' was new.

I was on my final move where your opponents gets to choose the topic before looking at the question on the card.

"Entertainment" they decided, as M. picked up the card.

He read it and said "this is too easy, let's make it a science question instead". I protested because the rule were you had to decide on the topic before looking at the questions.

V. looked at the card too and agreed "The entertainment question is too easy, you'll get it way to easy, that isn't fair".

I said "Okay, what's the question, who's Fred Flintstone's next door neighbour"?

And I was right.

Somehow, I knew the question printed on a card I had never seen.

A comparable thing has only ever happened one other time in my long life and it was equally trivial.

The fact that there were two witnesses and a hard copy card with the proof in the printed word made the phenomenon undeniable.

If I could only harness such talents on demand.

a reply to: Psynic

How odd?

I relate a brief account of the single most profoundly inexplicable psychic phenomenon of my entire life and it gets crickets?

a reply to: purplemer

My relationship with my alarm clock is just like this. I have been known to wake up just before the alarm clock goes off.

originally posted by: leolady
a reply to: purplemer

Now this is what interests me the most of these findings:

The implication is that “there must be a necessity for PAA to remain non-conscious most of the time”, given that “if some part of our nervous system can obtain information about events seconds in the future, wouldn’t we have evolved to make this information conscious?”

Why would our brains choose to keep it un-conscious, our brains know when to file it away and choose to for us ? How does our mind determine to categorize it as un-conscious ? What is the importance of filing it away and how does the brain/mind know to do this ? Why would it not be discarded ?

My questions make me think about:
Our brains are computers, they record everything they see and hear and capture it all and file it away. Our brains don't discard anything, they just push all the data back into the depths for retrieval later when deemed necessary. & sometimes never to be touched again ?

So how does our brain know to do this with the data?
Is it learned ? For example, lets take a look at a car accident. We travel in traffic conditions all the time. Alot of us travel the same daily route to and from work every day. We have a routine. Our brain picks up all the noises, sights and visuals along the way each and every day. It catalogs all of this in the back of our mind... we don't even have to think about it. We may even hear an accident occurring off in the distance and then our mind catalogs the sounds on the un-conscious level. Then one day... we have the accident and our brain recognizes the same sounds that it has cataloged in the past. So we are un-consciously aware. Why didn't we avoid the accident. I say it is because when our brain originally cataloged the accident, since we were not the one in immediate danger or directly involved it did not catalog the danger of the situation. It also did not catalog the actions required to avoid the accident. So not every visual was present... just some of them. So we have a fragmented catalog of sounds and sights in the back of our minds which our brain can pull back out the next time it encounters similar sights and sounds.

Finally: Why does our mind keep it un-conscious and why as the article suggests have we not evolved into making the info conscious:
Could it be too much data. Think about all the data we take in from the time of our birth onward... Do we have to experience similar situations for the brain to decide to pull the data to a conscious level and then new catalogs are kept in the back with added data for even more future situations that occur ?

I could go on and on... I kind feel like I'm babbling so I am going to stop now. But this kind of stuff really really interests me. lol

leolady

I have just read your thread, and the thought occurred that it isn't anything to do with the brain, The brain dead can observe someone working on their body in an operating theatre.IE. Even with a dead brain they are conscious, some reports suggest the level of consciousness is higher. Their memories are still accessible In this death state, and they are dead ,some are given a life review which include the minutia of their lives, things they had forgotten,.. although the temperature of the body seems low enough to keep the cells viable for a few hours. The reports then tend to have a good few similarities a tunnel of light meeting Jesus or God, in fact a super dream, based usually on a cultural paradigm.
Time as such in this state (dreaming) ceases to exist as it does in our waking state, you go to sleep and wake up 8 hours later, you have an anaesthetic then wake up and are surprised the five hour operation is over etc. But the point is whilst "dead" conscious coherency is maintained, whilst the corporeal part of us is deceased. In fact we still experience an observable reality which seems non chaotic, where time is as pliable as the "generated reality requires".
Then when we get analysing waking reality its timing and its cause and effects seem to be fixed, for the period of the day that each of us experiences within a corporeal body. The free will of the other dream state is mostly denied, it probably has to be, for it to be recognised for what it is, But there might be a bet on the table that says that the timing of this present waking reality has a cheat code that we can use in moments of great stress, just like we can in the other so called sleeping state, by jumping awake.
Nothing would surprise me with regards to the non Corporeal state, even to the "life review" where if you wish you could jump back in at a certain time, this might be where we get the knowledge of something bad about to happen and can miss it if required. Even if you can jump back in, most likely the same rules would apply.

a reply to: anonentity

You bring up some really good points here. I had not even thought about in on this level. You may be onto something !

The non-corporeal state could be many things: Such as the thoughts our minds manifest and have on our own. Not all the data we pull in from the outside, but all the data we bring to light on our own after pulling in the external data. Or it could be our soul, us as a form of energy without the body. We could attached many meanings to this concept.

Regarding a near death experience, scientists do claim the brain retains an increased electrical surge of activity. Maybe we are doing a mass download/upload of data for our next journey. Or maybe we are pulling the data to the akashic records for eternal storage. :-) Ok I'm getting a bit off subject here.

Our non-corporeal state utilizing our brain like a computer...

leolady

originally posted by: leolady
a reply to: anonentity

You bring up some really good points here. I had not even thought about in on this level. You may be onto something !

The non-corporeal state could be many things: Such as the thoughts our minds manifest and have on our own. Not all the data we pull in from the outside, but all the data we bring to light on our own after pulling in the external data. Or it could be our soul, us as a form of energy without the body. We could attached many meanings to this concept.

Regarding a near death experience, scientists do claim the brain retains an increased electrical surge of activity. Maybe we are doing a mass download/upload of data for our next journey. Or maybe we are pulling the data to the akashic records for eternal storage. :-) Ok I'm getting a bit off subject here.

Our non-corporeal state utilizing our brain like a computer...

leolady

Yes if we stick to what we know on a personal subjective basis, and leave all the rest out of the equation. We might have the glimmerings of what its all about. Just by observing how sleep is needed to maintain mental and physical health, must be a massive clue to the human condition. Without it the psych breaks down and day to day reality ceases to be meaningful. In fact I suggest we can go without food and water longer than sleep. Why would the human condition need this non material period out of the day to day reality, just to maintain the present reality.
Dreams although sometimes bizarre, are still a conscious coherent reality state. Probably far more coherent and less bizarre if remembered with full clarity. Those that report good OBE's say they are usually tired the next day, which might suggest that the psych , instead of doing its thing to maintain the body for waking reality, has left it to explore the other state. The human body for all its amazing design, is still a load of recycled elements, with all the definitions of machine in that it elevates effort, which operates in a narrow band of temperature in its perceived reality, something else is the driving force, and when we get glimpses of the driving force freed from its function to maintain the flesh as in NDE's the wonder increases.

a reply to: purplemer
It's not about car accidents, it's more like you would anticipate the car crash from the sidewalk. Like I know when I was working at a supermarket, id look before a customer dropped a jar, because I could feel his fear

a reply to: Blazer
My thoughts exactly! This was the first thing came to my mind when i start reading this thread.