Research Suggests We Unconsciously React to Events Up to 10 Seconds Before They Happen

originally posted by: SaturnFX
I think if this was true, there would be no such thing as car accidents.

You so cavalierly dismiss it out of hand! And I think this is why some people don't act on intuitive feelings when they have them. First you have to be aware of intuitive feelings, and then to acknowledge them, and then to act on them for it to be of any use.

I am more inclined to acknowledge intuitive feelings and act on them. For the record, I believe I have narrowly escaped a few possible car wrecks because I had a "gut feeling."

Don't be afraid to tune in!

a reply to: BlueMule

Though I understand what you are driving at I was referring to the lag in all moments, every second of our perceptions of reality. Not just in dream states.

I've had (rarely) prophetic dreams and sometimes even very strong deja vu instances. But I have always considered them outliers when compared to every day flow of reality.

Don't be afraid to tune in!

*gasp* what would the neighbors think?!

originally posted by: BlueMule

Don't be afraid to tune in!

*gasp* what would the neighbors think?!

If I could get my neighbors to think, then I'd say mission accomplished!

originally posted by: caterpillage
I have noticed this often when in that state somewhere between being awake and asleep and the mind seems to drift away into uncontrolled thoughts/dreams, but at the same time being somewhat aware of noises in my environment. If there is a sudden loud noise of a random type eg phone rings, doorbell, car horn, whatever it somehow fits into the dream. Not usually as what that sound really is necessarily, but my mind works it into the dream. The strange part is it's generally built up to in some way. Like a monkey runs up with one of those air horn cans points it at me then outside the driver blasts his horn and it becomes the sound of the monkey's horn. (Not an actuall dream, just an example lol)

It's very apparent when this occurs that somehow my subconcious saw the noise coming and integrated it into the dream.

Anybody else ever notice this?

Yes I have noticed this, and have heard other people talk about it. Consciousness seems to be a fairly fluid thing, and seems to exist in two basic states. I might go so far to suggest. When awake it is tied to mass and focused. When asleep it has no mass, and generally unfocused almost like playing. That's why its able to incorporate sound from the awake state into the sleep state. Which begs the question when we are asleep are we still conscious. We must be if we have memories from dreams. Their must be a reason for this. Like Steve Jobs we might all have a revelation when we sleep permanently.

a reply to: ColeYounger


Not necessarily. The car crash near our place yesterday was possibly caused by the stupidity of the local ordinances.

I didn't see it, only heard it from my back yard, and then heard the yelling and crying.

But, its an intercession on a country highway, 2 lane, with 90 km allowed. I only go 60-70 there as it may be officially out of town, but really its populated until past the cementary up the road a ways, and so the the one road intersects near a corner on the highway at 90 km/hour. Turn lefts are a little awkward in my opinion.

Not sure what happened there but the speed needs adjusting to town rates for a ways more.

I think alot of car crashes have bad management of the roads and speeds involved.

On another note, ofen in NDE's even while driving, the person has everything go slow mode and alter just prior to the crash, maybe 10 seconds prior.

a reply to: purplemer

I could see this as being true. It's not like it's a big amount of time that would make it seem impossible.


How many people pay attention to their intuition? My Mom taught me to do so & man has it ever payed off. I've had my ass saved numerous times because I paid attention to a "gut feeling" I had.

a reply to: purplemer

I remember reading the Cornell findings a few years back that essentially discussed the discovery of presentiment.

this is a fascinating subject. i was a big fan of ingo swann's stuff.

originally posted by: caterpillage
I have noticed this often when in that state somewhere between being awake and asleep and the mind seems to drift away into uncontrolled thoughts/dreams, but at the same time being somewhat aware of noises in my environment. If there is a sudden loud noise of a random type eg phone rings, doorbell, car horn, whatever it somehow fits into the dream. Not usually as what that sound really is necessarily, but my mind works it into the dream. The strange part is it's generally built up to in some way. Like a monkey runs up with one of those air horn cans points it at me then outside the driver blasts his horn and it becomes the sound of the monkey's horn. (Not an actuall dream, just an example lol)

It's very apparent when this occurs that somehow my subconcious saw the noise coming and integrated it into the dream.

Anybody else ever notice this?

YES! Quite often actually I could just never describe it that well before. I'd love to know why/how

Am I correct in assuming that such research will be attacked because of the potential implications it has? Does it not suggest that not only do we not know some very fundamental things about the world around us, but that science will now have to accept something of a more "strange" nature? I mean obviously our fundamental understanding of the physical world is wrong or largely incomplete if a person's body can react to something before it occurs. Is that not bringing the quantum level to a larger scale in some respects, something that many have claimed is not possible to explain something like paranormal events? And I would consider this paranormal, at least given our current level of understanding. Something like this should not be possible right?

Sure we may be able to explain it in detail at some point in the future, but this raises a fundamental flaw in science to begin with. Well I won't say flaw, but science's strict focus only on what can be measured has placed such importance on that measurement that we are likely missing things that would be pretty important to know...This is a perfect example. These types of studies are still not widespread, and only recently has some scientists began to open up to radical ideas like this. So science has wasted who knows how much time because of the outright dismissal of even the idea of something like this.

Does this mean conciousness can somehow time travel?.
Cool thread btw .

a reply to: boymonkey74

I take it to mean that consciousness derives from a "location" outside space/time. Think tetradimensional existence.

Ingo Swann used to explain that they found the effect studied at SRI was not inhibited by space or time.

originally posted by: JiggyPotamus
Am I correct in assuming that such research will be attacked because of the potential implications it has? Does it not suggest that not only do we not know some very fundamental things about the world around us, but that science will now have to accept something of a more "strange" nature? I mean obviously our fundamental understanding of the physical world is wrong or largely incomplete if a person's body can react to something before it occurs. Is that not bringing the quantum level to a larger scale in some respects, something that many have claimed is not possible to explain something like paranormal events? And I would consider this paranormal, at least given our current level of understanding. Something like this should not be possible right?

Sure we may be able to explain it in detail at some point in the future, but this raises a fundamental flaw in science to begin with. Well I won't say flaw, but science's strict focus only on what can be measured has placed such importance on that measurement that we are likely missing things that would be pretty important to know...This is a perfect example. These types of studies are still not widespread, and only recently has some scientists began to open up to radical ideas like this. So science has wasted who knows how much time because of the outright dismissal of even the idea of something like this.

Science isn't flawed, us thinking we know everything is flawed. What we know about science is very minimal yet we make all these claims of what is possible & what is not. Scientists just realized that some elements that they previously thought only reacted one way, now can react completely differently due to high force.

From what we've observed, we've been able to theorize about a lot but there is still sooooo much we don't know. This proves it.

To me, I would think that this process is instinct & has probably been something we've relied on since the caveman days (or even further back, like part of our reptilian brain) Being able to pre-sense things has probably become weaker now because it's not such a huge necessity, we don't have to worry about prey/harm like we used to.

originally posted by: JiggyPotamus
So science has wasted who knows how much time because of the outright dismissal of even the idea of something like this.

Yes, but on the other hand science has been studying psi for over a century - parapsychology.

Naturally, science will self-correct by disseminating parapsychological findings. The result will be a new golden age of science and culture.

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

originally posted by: SaturnFX
I think if this was true, there would be no such thing as car accidents.

You so cavalierly dismiss it out of hand! And I think this is why some people don't act on intuitive feelings when they have them. First you have to be aware of intuitive feelings, and then to acknowledge them, and then to act on them for it to be of any use.

I am more inclined to acknowledge intuitive feelings and act on them. For the record, I believe I have narrowly escaped a few possible car wrecks because I had a "gut feeling."

Don't be afraid to tune in!

I actually have no response to that because it may be true indeed.
I often course correct and "jump" a bit randomly when driving and other things..of course since I don't crash or anything invites me to dismiss intuition as a possibility....and perhaps getting into the habit of dismissing the feeling may grow my chances of an accident...whos to say.
Good counter.

If we believe in the multiverse theories, perhaps what ever is about to happen causes a shift into another parallel universe.
If that universe were say a few seconds behind, you get this instant "deja-vu"?

a reply to: purplemer

It stands to reason that there would be some amount of propagation delay between the brain and the mind at a subconscious or unconscious level. The mind having a "fuzzier" view of our virtual reality and the brain acting as an organic data acquisition and control module interfacing directly to our virtual reality. I've read a number of reports on this effect and it does seem plausible. These kinds of findings also support the theory that we operate within a holographic fully predictable structured virtual reality construct.

Cheers - Dave

I am told they can connect you up to a machine and tell you to click a left or right button at random and the machine knows what button you are going to press upto five seconds before you do.

DNA is computer code, our brains are computers and we are inside a type of simulation and might get a peek at the fabric of the matrix but thats not to say we can ever escape it or even understand it. We are like lab rats and don't have the mental capascity to understand what goes on outside the cage, food just arrives, we think we are smart but we are not.

God is the programmer, big bang was the CPU getting power but feel free to think that everything came from nothing and before time existed if you like because you still cannot escape the cage and don't fear what I am saying because it changes nothing apart from you knowlage or understanding, lab rats will continue to be feed and bump into the glass cage just like yesterday because thats what they do.

a reply to: purplemer

It does not sounds strange to me at all, me Broda! THIS is the main idea behind the title of my upcoming book on poker - Flash before the River(Already mentioned once on ATS). The sixth sense is connected wit the "spirit occult cycle" and the universal phenomenon of time-space, which is, as the most of ATS members know... an ILLUSION! Carpe diem, baby!

I've had this before, usually with life-altering events. Usually with danger.....