Pope Francis says he would baptise aliens: 'The doors of the Catholic Church are open to everyone'

originally posted by: iamhobo
a reply to: FlyersFan

I definitely agree with you on that, seems like a real down to earth guy.

Although... lol... I would love there to be some crazy underlying meaning.

Hello,

You said that this wouldn't have been heard from the Vatican 10 - 20 years ago. Although I appreciate Pope Francis initiated this particular one, I've yet to see any evidence from the relatively modern age where any quotes legitimately attributed to the Vatican say they absolutely do not believe in the possibility of ET life - not one, yet a lot of people assume otherwise.

a reply to: FlyersFan

It sounds pretty realistic and not funny. It is a time the defenders of true catholic doctrine to accept the new realities and to defend the church in those new realities without further denial.
What the pope did is to lift the taboo that should be lifted after Galileo. Now it is a done fact. Let start from that bottom line and don't complicate further the uneasy task of the holy father. If we react adequately today to a said word, perhaps we will react adequately tomorrow to a real event of contact.

Poor aliens.

Pope probably just want to abuse them.

originally posted by: iamhobo
a reply to: FlyersFan
Although... lol... I would love there to be some crazy underlying meaning.

This could probably summarize the majority of people on ATS



Yeah we all are bored and we all wish for more mystery in the world, thus we make "what if" scenarios and share them in these echo chambers that are conspiracy boards, where all members are similarly bored and wishing for mystery and "OMG you are right!!!! I see it too!!!" Except we are all just fooling each others and ourselves.

I don't know, the Catholic Church has always been very open minded and modernist for as long as I remember (not talking about centuries ago). The church views pretty much always evolve with the views of society.

Today many believe in aliens, are open to gay marriages and other spiritualities, so of course the Church has tried to catch up with society and to be more accepting of these topics too.

It's actually the exact reason why many Christians in the US hate the Catholic Church and will demonize it for being too modernist, while they wish it was as fundamentalist as they.




It's nothing new really. The topic may feel new, but the Church has always tried to reflect the society of its time (we live in a space and information age, thus the pope tweets and the Vatican observatory searches for aliens), while still keeping a focus on ethics and spirituality.




But yeah "I would love there to be some crazy underlying meaning", I know how you feel and that's why you are here in the first place

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: iamhobo
a reply to: FlyersFan

I definitely agree with you on that, seems like a real down to earth guy.

Although... lol... I would love there to be some crazy underlying meaning.

Hello,

You said that this wouldn't have been heard from the Vatican 10 - 20 years ago. Although I appreciate Pope Francis initiated this particular one, I've yet to see any evidence from the relatively modern age where any quotes legitimately attributed to the Vatican say they absolutely do not believe in the possibility of ET life - not one, yet a lot of people assume otherwise.

Many Americans are quite misinformed about the Catholic Church, because it's quite demonized by the fundies and atheist alike, so there are almost no one in the US depicting the Church in a good light.


The reality is that many Catholic priests are extremely erudite scientists, and some of them did start to search for alien life long ago.
vaticanobservatory.org...

There's absolutely no contradiction between Catholic faith and aliens, or even between Catholic faith and modern science for that matters.


The Science VS Religion things is mostly in the US between the fundies and the atheists.

a reply to: iamhobo

I got no doubt they would baptise them too, they are always trying to enslave people and bleed them dry.

originally posted by: learnatic
a reply to: iamhobo

I got no doubt they would baptise them too, they are always trying to enslave people and bleed them dry.

The Church never approached me to ask me for membership or money.

Unlike scientology, Jehovah's witnesses, Mormons, Evangelists, Baptists.

You sound like a bitter person who's got a grudge against the Church. I wonder why?

originally posted by: uncommitted
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You said that this wouldn't have been heard from the Vatican 10 - 20 years ago. Although I appreciate Pope Francis initiated this particular one, I've yet to see any evidence from the relatively modern age where any quotes legitimately attributed to the Vatican say they absolutely do not believe in the possibility of ET life - not one, yet a lot of people assume otherwise.

I definitely agree with you on that, seems like a real down to earth guy.

Although... lol... I would love there to be some crazy underlying meaning.

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The Vatican Observatory officials have been INCREASINGLY AND INCREMENTALLY seeding into the public awareness, the notion that the Vatican will take this stance for a decade or more.

It is a hideous thing.

It is like openly inviting demonic forces to hold a Black Mass in St Peter's.

The statement on Horn and Putnam's EXO-VATICANA book cover to the effect that the critters '. . . may have fuller or more accurate "truth" about Salvation than the Gospel narratives . . . ' is absolute demonic heresy straight from the Vatican officials declaring that.

Truly, I cannot think of a single other modern phenomena which better fills the Biblical prophecy of THE GREAT DECEPTION of the END TIMES--SOOOOO GREAT--THAT WERE IT POSSIBLE, EVEN THE ELECT OF GOD WOULD BELIEVE IT.

1.Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. KJV


Matthew 24:24

New Living Translation (NLT)


24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones.


Matthew 24:24

The Message (MSG)


The Arrival of the Son of Man

23-25 “If anyone tries to flag you down, calling out, ‘Here’s the Messiah!’ or points, ‘There he is!’ don’t fall for it. Fake Messiahs and lying preachers are going to pop up everywhere. Their impressive credentials and dazzling performances will pull the wool over the eyes of even those who ought to know better. But I’ve given you fair warning.

Search Paola Harris . . . I've met her face to face and talked with her at some length. She's the real deal. However, I think she's overly bought into the party line that the critters are benign or potentially our saviors.

She lived near Msgr Balducci of the Vatican--a close Pope confidant and had lunch with him frequently.
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originally posted by: BO XIAN

It is like openly inviting demonic forces to hold a Black Mass in St Peter's.

Truly, I cannot think of a single other modern phenomena which better fills the Biblical prophecy of THE GREAT DECEPTION of the END TIMES--SOOOOO GREAT--THAT WERE IT POSSIBLE, EVEN THE ELECT OF GOD WOULD BELIEVE IT.

Lol.

US Christians sure are something funny. Always concerned about the end times and THE EVIL CATHOLIC CHURCH TRYING TO INVITE DEMONS IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!


You should chill out.

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFarts

You should chill out.

The largest purportedly "Christian" organization on the planet is openly flaunting submitting it's centuries long theology to fallen angels for "correction" . . .

and you encourage me to "chill out?"

I'm curious . . . what level of demonic heresy

WOULD cause YOU to be outraged?

Throwing the Gospel narratives aside in favor of demonic 'theology' literally from hell is

the FURTHEST THING from anything REMOTELY CHRISTIAN, that I've heard from ANY purportedly "Christian" organization in my entire life.

I have no intention of "chilling out" over such horrific hideousness.

I have too much Love and appreciation for my Lord and Savior, Yeshua, The Messiah, for such traitorousness.

Folks can play loose and 'pseudo fancy' with THE TRUTH, with sanity, with authentic reality, with political theology all they want. I want no part of it.

This is worse than the whole priest and altar boy scandals. At least with that, one can obviously note the heretical demonic evil involved in seducing youth into sex slavedom.

In this case of submitting RCC doctrine and dogma to fallen angels for 'correction and adjustment' toward throwing over the Gospel Narratives as descriptors of truth--words fail me. I can't think of much that would strike more or more destructively at the root of authentic Biblical Christianity.

Thankfully, God WILL have the last laugh. His Word and His Truth WILL TRIUMPH.

But woe to those by whom the GREAT DECEPTION is propagated.

to wit:

“Christians will not immediately need to renounce their faith in God simply on the basis of the reception of [this] new unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations.” However, once the ‘religious content’ originating from ‘outside the earth’ ‘has been verified,’ they will have to conduct ‘a re-reading [of the Gospel], inclusive of this new data…' ”

--Vatican Astronomer, Giuseppe Tanzella Nitti

--from the cover of Cris Putnam and Tom Horn’s EXO-VATICANA

bold, color and underline emphases added.
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originally posted by: hxc408
What is really going on is that this pope is what the Bible calls a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is introducing new false doctrines (what else does the Vatican do?) to lead the masses astray. So, yes in a sense he is preparing the world, but for the lie that demons masquerading as aliens are our friends and to embrace a false ideology that will lead straight to the one world religion. You can call me crazy or ignorant but when was the last time the secular crowd was so enamored with a pope? The true Gospel of Christ is always a an offense to the world. So when you see someone that so blatantly contradicts the teachings of the Bible loved by the world, you better believe it is because he is not representing Christ nor the scriptures.

Eh...do you read your Bible? Christ was inclusive to sinners, invited them in and protected them. No he did not say sin was ok but he was teaching you to love sinners and to show them the way. You cannot do that if you shun them and condemn them. Shun the sin not the sinner. Teach what is sin not punish those who sin. This Pope is emulating that. I suppose you think sinners should be frowned upon and condemned and certainly not taint your church by stepping foot in there huh? You think that was the True Gospel of Christ? Time to read your bible again but this time use critical thinking while doing so and forget what ever you were brain washed with. Your very statements here are a sin in your religion as you are Judging people by stating the true Gospel of Christ is always an offense to the world. Your own religion says your not allowed to do that.

a reply to: Xeven

Calling fallen angels doomed irretrievably

mere "sinners"

is quite an exercise in convoluted . . . labeling . . .

It's another demonstration of what the Bible warns about in the END TIMES . . .

calling evil good and good evil; white black and black white.

Sigh.

A quality version of the Book of Enoch might be enlightening to SOME of fair mindedness.

It outlines how some fallen angels petitioned Enoch to petition God for forgiveness and restoration of the fallen angels. God wouldn't hear of it.

Now the Pope presumes to override God's decision. Impressive.

NOT.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Xeven

Calling fallen angels doomed irretrievably

mere "sinners"

is quite an exercise in convoluted . . . labeling . . .

It's another demonstration of what the Bible warns about in the END TIMES . . .

calling evil good and good evil; white black and black white.

Sigh.

A quality version of the Book of Enoch might be enlightening to SOME of fair mindedness.

It outlines how some fallen angels petitioned Enoch to petition God for forgiveness and restoration of the fallen angels. God wouldn't hear of it.

Now the Pope presumes to override God's decision. Impressive.

NOT.

Your Christ over rid your god but are they not one in the same? Enoch is pre Christ. Your following an old religion not the new one your Christ created. Don't forget the Romans also changed the bible drastically in truth we have no way of knowing what Christ actually said or did. Its all been edited multiple times to meet the needs of those in charge at the time. Thankfully, some of the truth is being dug from the ground and was not all destroyed by the creators of Catholicism.

originally posted by: Xeven

. . . Your very statements here are a sin in your religion as you are Judging people by stating the true Gospel of Christ is always an offense to the world. Your own religion says your not allowed to do that.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice. It appears you've not read the Gospels very well or remembered them very well.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

HIS WORD IS TRUTH.
HIS WORD IS LIFE.
HIS WORD IS ETERNAL.
HIS WORD WILL NOT RETURN TO HIM VOID OF EFFECTIVENESS.
HIS WORD IS DEPENDABLE.

a reply to: Xeven

NOPE.

Authentic Christianity is RELATIONSHIP

NOT RELIGION.

The Living Yeshua has verified His Written Word in my life countless times.

The fanciful deceptions, disinformation and balderdash of naysayers fall empty to the ground in my life.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Xeven

NOPE.

Authentic Christianity is RELATIONSHIP

I agree.

It's about relationship and not ranting about the end-times or that the Catholic Church promotes demons.


For example your relationship with Catholics right now is that you don't try to understand them, but merely to judge them and criticize them for what you consider heresy.

Makes you think...


Really you should read your posts, you type in all caps like you are about to burst in anger, and rather spew lines after lines instead of simply discussing with me to understand my position and me yours.

Ask yourself, is it really what your christ wants and taught you? Because it's not what he taught me. He taught me to be patient and loving and forgiving and understanding and open.

a reply to: BO XIAN

"Exo Vaticana" is not the only investigative attempt of what the Jesuits discover in the sky, and I don't think it is a successful one anyway.

I see you go even further than that, summarizing the intended activity of Vatican as submission to fallen angels. Well, what the pope did is a good thing. It is in full contrast to what was done with Galileo etc. If we search demonic we should search it over there. That approach in Galileo time was the demonic one that leaves no room of existence, not only to the ET but also at the end of the day - to the human as well. Let me not detail it where it goes.

It is a time to understand who the "men in white clothes" were at the empty tomb of Jesus and on Ascension day. No wings were mentioned. "Angels" do not suffice anymore. Paul calls himself an angel. Let explain it plainly in 21st century with the cosmological model we have now that differs quite a bit from the past absurd ones. Let "call a spade a spade". There are creatures over there and not all of them are demonic. Let be precise to differentiate between Draconians and Human ET ET one of whom are Pleiadians for instance. Or other humanoids who are close to human who did nothing wrong except for they have been created such. Are we going to become "galactic racists"? Humans on earth did worse things, but no one calls them "the Hitlers from Earth, who kill each other in millions, who let their own people die from hunger, who also killed the Son of God". Actually I don't know how we are named in the galaxy. It would be interesting to know. What the contactees report is that not even the negative races (such as Draconians) do harm to their own race in the extend witnessed on planet Earth.

The pope did a good thing and let acknowledge that fact, regardless of whether one is catholic or not. Let start the discussion from that bottom line of No More Taboo on ET Existence an existence that differs from that of the "devil". All the rest is propaganda on this or that side with little practical effect. Let the specialists tell us what exactly the Pleiadians, Grey and other ET offered when they met with president Eisenhower and cardinal McIntyre.

Bo, let me also say that I also love Jesus Christ and believe He is God and Lord. I appreciate you do so too. But you are not the only one to do so. There are quite many missing points of the life in Jesus. And above all - what did He do in the time between the Ascension and now? 1980 +- earthly years is a lot of time. Did He sit at a cloud? Why not to assume He already visited a number of star systems of His choice and evangelized directly those beings whom He created as the Word of God from the beginning, or let say a million years ago from now? How can we poor humans put restrictions to the creativity and love of God, and pretend we are the only ones He created in His great love. We all know what happened in Jerusalem 2000-1980 years ago and how humans killed the Son of God. And all the rest. We know that. The galaxy probably knows that. I want to know what exactly has been cut off from the Gospels composed no earlier than late 2nd century. Perhaps not only whether Jesus was married or not. Perhaps things like that about angels without wings who appear here and there. And who were inconvenient for the Roman gods and their earthy servants. So they cut them off before approving Christianity as state religion. Good job! They never believed the humanity will be grown up enough to think. Or perhaps they did? Perhaps the fierce opposition of what is truly from God, along with the absurd inequality on planet earth is all their deeds, those "gods" or let say, negative aliens, you would love the word fallen angels. They manipulated and continue to manipulate our way of thought even now. Let come clean and see who is who and with what agenda.

originally posted by: iamhobo

Is this kind of talk from the Pope conditioning people around the world to accept extraterrestrials?

The VATICAN knows things Cosmic related are going to occur. The data locked within the vaults if compiled in public eye...

At least they are trying to consider more outta box scenarios and not just waiting

NAMASTE*******

Abraham and his descendants served Enlil, and followed his precepts. The Egyptians, on the other hand, were Enki’s protégés, and based on food management practices during the devastating droughts around the time of Jacob and Joseph, were doing a lot better than Enlil’s followers.

www.halexandria.org...

Abrahamic religions (also Semitic religions) are the monotheistic faiths of West Asian origin, emphasizing and tracing their common origin to Abraham[1] or recognizing a spiritual tradition identified with him.[2][3][4] They are one of the major divisions in comparative religion, along with Indian religions[5] (Dharmic) and East Asian religions[5] (Taoist).
As of the early twenty-first century, it was estimated that 54% of the world's population (3.8 billion people) considered themselves adherents of the Abrahamic religions, about 30% of other religions, and 16% of no organized religion.[6][7] The Abrahamic religions originated in Western Asia.[8]
The largest Abrahamic religions in chronological order of founding are Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; the Bahá'í Faith is sometimes listed as well.[9] There are other obscure religions that are also Abrahamic but rarely considered.

en.wikipedia.org...

Christianity is of Abrahamic religions -LORD ENLIL there is a Alien connection it seems even if not acknowledged...

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Christianity has been deliberately changed and molten in 2-3 century to meet the criteria of approval by the Romans and whoever ET gods they served. We have to correct the historical fact of Constantine footprint on Christianity while he was still unbaptized and pagan chief priest in Rome. If someone searches for bowing down doctrine before fallen angels, let search it in the correct place. Thanks to Constantine and those before him, we have only a number of books speaking of some carefully chosen details in the 3 year mission of Jesus. We don't have the rest, because they deliberately destroyed it, together with the humans who carried that true teaching - the mass murders called martyrdoms of early centuries. There is no other logical explanation of the insane mass murder of entire communities of people. Humans are cruel indeed, but one should search for a reason for that apparent inhumane cruelty. May be Extraterrestrial inspired? Pagan Rome wanted a molten religion and allowed to exist only those who carried that version of Christianity, for purposes far beyond the reason of any human being and his limited lifespan. We should search for evil extraterrestria footprint back then, with agendas spanning to more than 2 millenia. The centuries did the rest of the story. My purpose is not to go thru all centuries. Let someone else do it. There was a good thread about Medieval role of Church and hiding of aliens back then.

Pope Francis should be praised for his honest move. John Paul should have done it, along with his remorse of inquisition and crusades, and formal acceptance that Galileo was right. What we witness today is historical, and it is overdue of several decades. It could be done right after WW2 with Roswell incident, and the now reported in MSM meetings between Eisenhower and ET with the presence of LA cardinal.

It is a miracle we still don't have the nuclear war to stop once and for all God's chosen people. Be careful - those who made the martyrdoms of early christians possible, those who made the holocaust in 20th century, they will come for you if you don't open your eyes on time. God gives an exit way, as Paul writes, but if we persistently deny it it is we who choose our fate, not God.

Let the ET come and say what is in store for planet Earth and for us. Perhaps we can baptize them and in exchange they can save us physically, and correct our crazy society. To fear they would change our religion is to have very little faith in first place. God is God of all. And we already live in a changed religion. Let discover the roots. Who were the Ezekiel 1 angels? Who was in the tomb of Jesus? And where was Jesus in the 30 years before His ministry? In India or on another planet? Why so much contradiction between the records of His childhood? What was the Bethlehem star if not angelic UFO? Who could travel to Egypt at that time? Not the poor family of Joseph and Mary for sure. We already have a changed version of the true story.