Using the "L" word with regards to chemtrails.

Sorry, but I see contrails in the sky (these thin lines disappear in a few minutes, jut like when I was a kid) and I see the ever-expanding chemtrails, which just get bigger and bigger until one connects with the other leaving the sky an irritating whitish color.

I have witnessed chemtrail grids (like a checkerboard) in the sky that cannot be explained your logic.

Using logic, I suspect the govt. is testing a variety of chemicals in the environment, and possibly conducting tests to determine 1) how certain chemicals act in the atmosphere, particularly at higher altitudes, or 2) taking a page from Thomas Pynchon, map the quality of light at various altitudes.

a reply to: Zoyd23

The first persistent contrails were reported in the early 1900s, then in WWII bombers had to alter their route home because their own contrails caused cloud cover. Now we have engines proven to create contrails where older engines don't, with air travel levels higher than ever, but you don't see a logical reason besides chemtrails for what you see?

a reply to: network dude
Just picking out random post 70s from the list. www.geoengineeringwatch.org...

NASA
www.google.com...=onepage&q=3990987&f=false

U.S. Navy
www.google.com...

U.S.A. Secretary of Navy
www.google.com...

I didn't analyze 100% on the list, but most if not all are government projects. Others, such as one invented by Gabriel J. Farkas, were also via government funding with NASA then acquiring all rights. It doesn't seem like anyone has an interest in producing chemtrails, or modifying contrails, except the U.S. government. Hmm....

The government, on record, spent hundreds of millions of $$ as well as countless man hours on chemtrail producing research over the last 90 years. But you want to believe it was for NO reason because they would never dare hide anything from lovable you and would never implement one of their 100+ thoroughly funded, researched, legalized, modeled, and tested ideas over your lovable head. To you, 100% of the cases are just harmless contrails.

Those last 3 sentences should be in your OP and you would realize how naive you are coming across. I would say most of the trails are indeed contrails, but I would not bet that 100% are.

Ok Network Dude gives us the logic for this. Watching the sky near Logan airport two planes flying in parallel flight path at nearly the same altittude, one has a contrail that follows the plane across the sky approximately 4 times the length of the plane and disappearing as the plane moves along, the other leaves a trail that stretches across the sky for as long as the plane is in sight and doesn't disappear all day. All during the day this same scenario occurs except that the flight paths of the planes with the non disappearing exhaust change so that at the end of the day there are dozens of contrails(HAHA) running parallel in slowly expanding lines which slowly change clear blue skies to overcast.

a reply to: tmeister182

How do you know they are at the same alititude?
Do you know that humidity (the determining factor in persistence) can vary within a few hundred feet of altitude?
For example:
weather.uwyo.edu...

originally posted by: TheLegend

You can show me the list of patents until the cows come home. Then I can play the same dumbass game and list patents of things like a machine that spanks you, or one that assists in blowing your nose. Dumb patents that never were manufactured. All showing that listing a patent is nothing more than proof someone had an idea. Please understand that.

The government, on record, spent hundreds of millions of $$ as well as countless man hours on chemtrail producing research over the last 90 years. But you want to believe it was for NO reason because they would never dare hide anything from lovable you and would never implement one of their 100+ thoroughly funded, researched, legalized, modeled, and tested ideas over your lovable head. To you, 100% of the cases are just harmless contrails.

Show me. I bet they spend hundreds of millions of dollars on all sorts of things I don't approve of, but I have yet to see where they are trying to perfect chemtrails.

I would say most of the trails are indeed contrails, but I would not bet that 100% are.

Then we are not far apart at all. I cannot prove that nobody has ever made a chemtrail. I cannot prove that nobody has ever seen a chemtrail. And, I cannot prove that "they" are not spraying. But, what I can do is look at a picture, or video of something that looks an awful lot like a contrail and say that until you give me something better than "it too fluffy", I am going to call it a contrail.

Non of us are saying it cannot happen. But we are sick to death of idiots posting pictures of normal contrails and claiming them to be something they are most likely not. Science has proven that contrails can persist. They can last all friggin day.

The disconnect is not with us hiding some secret government program, it's with not wanting stupidity to run rampant. If ignorant folks are teaching other folks how to be ignorant, then a huge dis service is being done. Would you agree?

originally posted by: Zoyd23

I have witnessed chemtrail grids (like a checkerboard) in the sky that cannot be explained your logic.

It has been explained "by my logic" many times - airliners often travel routes that are at an angle to each other, and wind at that altitude will blow contrails sideways - then 20-30-50 or whatever minutes later more airliners fly the same route leaving trails - the original trails have now blown sideways, and voila - you get a grid pattern.

It is easy to see with a simulator - have a play with this simulator - you can set various wind and aircraft speeds and wind direction, and can even make "racetrack" spirals.

originally posted by: sweeper84
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

well type "Chemtrails - Fully Exposed" on youtube...its a 10m26 video
check the footage...look at the images!
you will probably yell photoshop or fake vid, because it obviously can't be ALL condensation trails!!

why can't they al be contrails?

and seriously you are seeing those things for 55 years??? no way! never saw a sky like that before 10 to 15 years ago

no - not 55 years - I was 9 when Boeing 737's started flying domestically in 1968 an leaving those contrails.

originally posted by: sweeper84
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul
however you're saying that:
Atmospheric conditions change - a bank of broken clouds will often form at a given level - 100 feet below that there is no cloud, 100 feet above there is no cloud either.
At high altitude it is the same - hence cirrus clouds are sometimes flat sheets with sharp delineated edges, and sometimes have quite vague edges.
If conditions are not right you get no contrails - and those conditions may only exist in a narrow band vertically and/or horizontally - so contrails form where the conditions are right, and don't where they are not.

Only according to that, your natural contrail from horizon to horizon is impossible.

how do you figure that??

I wasn't saying that atmospheric conditions ALWAYS change in 100 feet - only that it is possible that they can. Just like you can have stil clear days at ground level you can also have them at 35,000 feet - broken cloud is one possible type of sky - so is solid cloud or no cloud at all!!

It would also means that planes can only produce contrails when they are at the same altitude than the clouds, and, only IN a cloud because outside of it the conditions aren't good enough to produce the phenomenon.

No. it means that they can produce contrails in areas of ice supersaturation.

You also agree that there's a gap between the trail and the plane....but you can easily find footage of planes having 4 to 8 streams, all starting right under the wings, sometimes even starting at the tip of the wing, or from the tail (with no gap at all)

I've seen smoke flares and fuel dumping quoted to justify such accusations - but the vast majority of "chemtrail" photos aer engines with gaps - sometimes the gaps might not be readily visible - and with piston engines that have exhaust systems sometimes the gaps are very short indeed - but they are always there for engine exhaust.

Time to throw Mr. Spock a curve!

totallackey - "Mr. Spock, would it be considered an act of logic or emotion to take the evidence presented in support of the existence of chemtrails, along with a statement of the purposes for their existence, to a practicing attorney in pursuit of filing a civil lawsuit?"

Mr. Spock - "What evidence? A list of patents, pictures, and eyeball analysis? With the possible reasons being a mass die-off of humanity, climate control, or spread of illness amongst the world populace?"

totallackey - "Yes...that accurately summarizes the list of evidence and reasons."

Mr. Spock - "A person who takes this material to a practicing attorney would be acting both logically and emotionally (likely a sense of compassion), if they truly believed this was taking place...either way, it beats the shinola out of posting this crapola on an internet message board."

totallackey - "Thank you Mr. Spock for your thoughtful and cogent reply. Live long and prosper! By the way, what are those plumes emitting from the nacelles of the Enterprise? Those wouldn't be chemtrails, would they?"

a reply to: TheLegend

Just picking out random post 70s from the list. www.geoengineeringwatch.org...

Dane Wigington is all one needs to see to know how credible any info on that site will be.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h
Of course, there's this one that is always included (who knows why) in the inevitable list of patents.
4873928 – October 17, 1989 – Nuclear-sized explosions without radiation

What do fuel-air explosions have to do with "chemtrails?"

a reply to: TheLegend

The government, on record, spent hundreds of millions of $$ as well as countless man hours on chemtrail producing research over the last 90 years.

I would love to see where you came up with that conclusion?

The chemtrail hoax was started by a man named Will Thomas. And that would be the early 90's not 90 years.

a reply to: Phage

What do fuel-air explosions have to do with "chemtrails?"

I am going to bet that at least one person uses that as a theory...

Fuel Air explosion will be the new chemtrail catalyst.

It's coming don't know how long it will be. but it will happen.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

They are way ahead of you.....

They believe silence is consent. But I believe they are taunting us into a violent confrontation, its what they desire. It is what there business model is based on. They would use it as an excuse for wholesale slaughter of the proles. I still believe it would not take much effort to weaponize the chemtrails into fuel/air explosives. And on the scale that they spray entire cities it would be just as devastating to the population and nowhere near as dirty as a nuke. After they analate most of the worlds populations and set up automated farms and factorys, etc. they will only keep enough of us around to fight in scripted battles for their viewing pleasure.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

But. But.
The patent is for a big balloon thingy.

A method for producing a high yield explosion without radioactive fallout comprising filling an expendible structure with an explosive mixture of a combustible gas (e.g. methane) and an oxidizer gas (e.g. oxygen) and then detonating said mixture.

a reply to: Phage
and a big balloon thingie was going to be used for evil geoengineering* so of course it's true!

Right??

* - except it got cancelled

Chemtrails are a joke if you wanted to poison people efficiently you would put the poisons in the gasoline for cars that would be cheaper. easier and more efficient and if I know that so do the conspirators.

Why do people continue to ignore proofs? They act as if the hundreds of remediation firms that test this stuff to a ridiculous degree, and the samples being sent to multiple labs for validation reporting means nothing. How can you ignore that angle? Because it shoots the silly chemical cloud theory to shreds?

24/7/365 air quality and water testing. Multitudes of soil samples. Done every day, in every city, sent to thousands of independent labs, using equipment that finds -everything- in that water or soil samples. This actually has merit folks - don't ignore the huge elephant in the room. If testing is done constantly, and nothing sinister is found.. if no red flags are going off... then there are no chemtrails, simple as that.

Can no one bother to answer how this is not a problem to your chemtrail theories?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: TheLegend

The government, on record, spent hundreds of millions of $$ as well as countless man hours on chemtrail producing research over the last 90 years.

I would love to see where you came up with that conclusion?

The chemtrail hoax was started by a man named Will Thomas. And that would be the early 90's not 90 years.

When was the contrail hoax started ? Still waiting for someone ANYONE to report seeing these contrails that have interesting patterns, striations and that can be seen under 15000 feet, I got to sky dive through some, funny that is not supposed to be possible.

I contend that your CONTRAILS are DIFFERENT than the ones you CLAIM have been there all along.