Sandy Hook Forensic Evidence

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: rebelv

what the....f**k?

is this even on topic?

Well, my friend, then the thread died a natural death.
— spring to fall,
— birth to death,
— facts to ‘woo’

It's just the conspiracy circle of life

originally posted by: 3mperorConstantinE
— facts to ‘woo’

..ok, this is getting silly now.....shall we get back to work?

a reply to: rebelv

Is this garbage supposed to be funny?

originally posted by: 3mperorConstantinE

a reply to: SMOKINGGUN2012

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Audra Barth, who was walking away from the school with her first-grade son and third-grade daughter, said a teacher took first-graders into the restroom after bullets came through the window.

Constantine, could you do me a huge favor by finding and posting the images from inside the classroom showing the bullet holes through the aluminum frame? I think this element is critical to finding the narrative as it seems obvious to me that there were bullets that were shot from outside into the room. The best picture had the pink direction markers plugged in the holes. If you can I would appreciate it greatly, I'm lost on Windows 8.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Constantine, could you do me a huge favor by finding and posting the images from inside the classroom showing the bullet holes through the aluminum frame? I think this element is critical to finding the narrative as it seems obvious to me that there were bullets that were shot from outside into the room. The best picture had the pink direction markers plugged in the holes. If you can I would appreciate it greatly, I'm lost on Windows 8.

Yes, excellent point … and I would love to hear someone explain how these shots originated from inside the building, as the report says.

outside

inside

a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

Oh come on.....are you kidding me? WHY does that not surprise me there were shots returned from outside? Does it explain this anywhere in the reports? Good find OP........

a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

Them's the ones where the metal flares out towards the inside of the room.
THANKS!
Pictures taken from INSIDE the classroom (notice the paper decoration).

originally posted by: SMOKINGGUN2012
a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

Oh come on.....are you kidding me? WHY does that not surprise me there were shots returned from outside? Does it explain this anywhere in the reports? Good find OP........

The police said they never discharged any of their weapons.
Who shot at who from outside and with what?
It wouldn't be a stretch to think it could be associated with the bullet holes in 3 cars in the parking lot.
Come to think of it officer Chapman NPD thought they might been under fire upon arrival.

a reply to: starviego

The recent case of where the victims families had some or even all of their mortgages paid off might go a long way to explaining why there is a lack of lawsuits ? But you are correct, it does seem strange that in the land of suing people because you spilt hot coffee on yourself while driving a car then has no legal action despite the loss of so many lives.

What true parent of a slain child would accept a mortgage payment as compensation, unless of course those mortgage payments were a reward for playing a role ? I am not saying that it was a reward for their role played, but we have to ask ourselves, why else would they just accept this payment and not pursue to matter any further, unless of course they were actors playing a role ?

Who else other than an actor flicks the switch from laughing and joking [while claiming to be a grieving parent no less] but then instantly puts on the sad face and pours on the waterworks. You even see him take a deep breath as he transitions from joking mode to serious mode, almost as if he is getting into character. And who is it that usually goes into character ..................actors !

a reply to: Asktheanimals

So we have Lanza inside the building, shots possibly coming from outside the building, and several guys caught running from the scene, OUTSIDE of the building. These guys were even caught on camera running from the scene. And when one of those caught is then placed into the front seat of a police car and no more mention of this guy, then you can be assured with 99% conviction that this guy was either the shooter, of one of the shooters.

Can I prove this beyond all doubt, no. But is there any other logical explanations presenting themselves other than what I suggest ? Why were they at the scene, and what were they running from. These guys were not running from the shooting, they were fleeing the scene at great speed. They were even pursued by the police due to their suspicious behaviour. These guys were chased, caught, and then someone has given the tap on the shoulder and said, "hey buddy, we weren't supposed to chase or catch these guys". Oops !

originally posted by: tide88

originally posted by: Daedalus

originally posted by: tide88
You do not have to be dead to be a vicim.

I know this, you know this, and the author knows this...

i believe he's posing the question, to make people think....because his question has an obvious answer, which begs another question.

As far as the doors, could simply be a mistake. I'm sure it was chaotic I'm there, there are bound to be many different accounts.

i'm pretty sure the teacher would remember whether or not she locked the door.

if you're saying that the medic made a mistake in their report....i dunno about all that..

i'm not saying mistakes don't happen, i'm just saying i don't believe this was one..

Not the teacher, the responders.

So you admit mistakes do happen, but not in this case? Why?

You know, if I was in charge of this investigation, I probably wouldn't release the information anyway. The only people who are desperate to get their hands on it are the ones who don't believe the official story. Truth be told, no matter what is released or explained, you will always believe there is a conspiracy here, right? I bet if they released a video, people would say it was a Hollywood production, I.E moon landing.

IMO, the only people that have a right to the evidence is the family members and those directly effected. There have been other cases where people claim conspiracy and when information and names are released, those people are harassed and threatened.

You are 100% wrong. The public has a right to know. That's how the system works. That's the law and anything other than that is a conspiracy. I've explained why before.

The shots coming through the window is interesting, but is it really strange? I'm not sure. I could picture him popping off a few random shots at the building as he approached it, perhaps to test fire one of his weapons, or for intimidation factor, or maybe just for the hell of it.

The gunshots audible in the 911 calls indicate multiple weapons fired within seconds of one another but from different locations. See esp. the shots between 9:46 and 9:47 a.m. (Rick Thorne's last call, often referred to as Newtown Landline Call 7).

The gunshot audio expert hired by the CSP to analyze the shots, Paul Ginsberg (you may've noticed him recently on CNN with the MH370 stuff) lists a loud, clear shot at 9:46:54 a.m., nearly 7 minutes after Sedensky's claimed "final" shot.

Not only is the gunshot audible, but so are the reactions to it by officers on scene, as well as dispatchers listening to the various audio from that moment.

If Lanza was down at 9:40, who was firing from 9:40 to 9:51:31 a.m.?

originally posted by: Charizard
The shots coming through the window is interesting, but is it really strange? I'm not sure. I could picture him popping off a few random shots at the building as he approached it, perhaps to test fire one of his weapons, or for intimidation factor, or maybe just for the hell of it.

The story is that Lanza didn't begin shooting until he was in front of the entrance and couldn't get in. He then purportedly shot out a window next to the door, stepped through, soon met and shot the Principal and Psychologist then went to rooms 8 and 10 where the remaining murders took place.
There has been no official accounting of any shots going in to a classroom from outside, just the glass next to the front doors.

originally posted by: Hmmmmmmm

originally posted by: 3mperorConstantinE
a reply to: aivlas

Unless EMT's are known to undertake (completely undocumented) CPR+electrocardiographic attempts at resuscitation on a patient with rigor-mortis after having died of FOUR gunshot holes to their face … then I would be forced to ‘guess’ that they were put on:
before

?

Glad I'm not the only one who is contemplating the implications of that oddity.

In some areas the AED screen is the confirmation they need to pronounce death on scene.

In my area they hook everyone up to the AED upon arrival, unless there is obvious decomposition.


I've been in emergency medicine for 20+ years as both a road paramedic and an ER RN, and I find nothing odd about this.

That's how I felt about the AED pads as well.

You know what they say about great minds...

originally posted by: Charizard
The shots coming through the window is interesting, but is it really strange? I'm not sure. I could picture him popping off a few random shots at the building as he approached it, perhaps to test fire one of his weapons, or for intimidation factor, or maybe just for the hell of it.

While there is nothing strange or outlandish about your conjecture, the fact remains that we have been told, emphatically; by those charge of the investigation—that this is not what happened.
We're supposed to believe that Lanza fired outward (whether intentionally or otherwise—towards the parking lot), from within the rooms.

So now what.

I'm not that comfortable chalking all of these discrepancies up to garden variety incompetence.
That goes for the tachyonic timeline alluded to in Zephyr's post, as well.

originally posted by: lovebeck

That's how I felt about the AED pads as well.

You know what they say about great minds...

And thank you for that lovebeck (as well as the two other posters), as you were correct. It is the last of a 4 step process in the guidelines for the pronouncement of death in the state of Connecticut*.
link to State of CT EMS guidelines

So, given that, is it reasonable to assume that performing this last step in confirming the death of a patient who has expired ≤24 hours ago would be listed under “Evidence of Medical Intervention”?
Also, should she have a chart?

Or to ask this in another way, essentially, anyone found in the state of Connecticut, and regardless of the manner of their death, so long as it was ≤24 hours ago, will have “AED leads” listed in their autopsy's EoMI block?
Just wanted to double check.

x3

(*) yes, even for a livid patient with rigor mortis under 24 hours. That's just how they do it up there.

Tide88

I bet if they released a video, people would say it was a Hollywood production, I.E moon landing.

This is what we call a strawman argument.

1. There is no video, so all bets are off.
2. If they released a video, it would indeed open more conspiracies as we were told there was no video
equipment in the school, which means they LIED
3. Believing one thing does not mean you have to believe another.

originally posted by: tide88

originally posted by: DarksideOz

originally posted by: FuZe7
Is there documentation showing us how many people in total are witnesses to the actuall bodies and crime scene?

Hard to say exactly, considering one of the "witnesses" who even went on TV with his heart pouring out, was seen laughing and joking with the other people around him, not realising he was being filmed, but it wasn't going live. Once the action call was given, he instantly change his facial expression from laughing and joking to a dead serious look and poured on the emotion. Much like how a news reader makes a light hearted comment for one story, but then instantly puts on the "serious face" as the next story is a less light-hearted. This guy was, in my opinion, a paid actor. Why do we have paid actors posing as parents of slain children ? Why, because it's all part of the cover up. He played his ROLE, he would of been financially rewarded for his ROLE. But who is it that plays a role.........an actor !

No genuinely grieving parent on this planet would be cracking jokes until the "action" call came. NO PARENT. If you genuinely lost your child in this fashion, you would NOT be cracking jokes for a LONG time. You would NOT be laughing and smiling "off camera" but then go as serious as possible once the camera went live. This is yet another of their lies, and I would like to know a lot more about this guy, and his REAL background.

Really? You know that for a fact? People don't joke around and laugh after a tragedy or if they lost someone close to them? Everyone reacts differently when they have lost loved ones. Have you ever been to a funeral? I have seen people laugh one minute when talking to someone and then cry the next. For all we know he could have been talking about a fond memory. Hell, maybe he was telling a joke, maybe he was trying to take his mind off the fact that his daughter was just shot and killed.

You know, as a father myself, it pisses me off that you make an accusation like this. I'm not sure if you have kids or not, I'm not sure how many loved ones in your family have passed away tragically, but I know for a fact that you nor anyone else has any right to judge how this poor guys deals with the loss of his daughter.

I've had some tragedy in my life and I know I have been able to laugh right before crying. I know I would try to busy myself with other things and not just sit around and think about the loss, but when someone I saw that I would immediately associate with the person I lost, I would immediately tear up.

So do me a favor. Don't assume you know what this guy feels or how he deals emotionally with the loss of his daughter, because you have no idea.

I'll tell you what, I hope the parents of these victims don't read these conspiracies. Some of you people are really sick.

but it wasnt just that one guy, quite a few of the parents you see just aren't normal whichever way you look at it, I came into this thread thinking here we go again....folks here finding a conspiracy in anything....read the thread! look at what the OP has put forward.

Thank you very much for this quality thread OP! I can't remember the last time I read a full thread on such a loaded subject without arguments right, left and center and people trying to derail the thread (although some tried).

I don't have any additional factual input, but I will closely follow this civilized discussion!

I could not open the links to the police reports in the OP, but that may be because of the proxy server at work. Do you know of any other links to these?