want to fight climate change? go vegan

originally posted by: Bob Sholtz
a reply to: TKDRL

So out of millions of athletes out there, you found ten that are vegan. Congratulations.

oh yes, *just* 10 athletes. the worlds strongest man, and 9 of the greatest athletes sports has ever seen. yup, just your run of the mill 10 athletes. no biggie.

do you HONESTLY not see the difference? your claim was that someone eating vegan couldn't be active, and nothing could be farther from the truth.

Let me ask. Those you just mentioned do you have any idea how many supplements they took?

That isn't what I would call natural.

a reply to: Char-Lee

No I am not really interested in this point. For every vegan athlete you can name, I can list 100 meat eating athletes.

I stand firm in the exact place I started in this thread: what works for one may not work for the other. While some people may do well on a vegan diet, others, like myself, have health problems almost immediately on such a diet.

Do you care to dicuss the potential health risks of going vegan? Or do you understand (as most vegans dont) that different people require different diets?

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: Bob Sholtz
a reply to: TKDRL

So out of millions of athletes out there, you found ten that are vegan. Congratulations.

oh yes, *just* 10 athletes. the worlds strongest man, and 9 of the greatest athletes sports has ever seen. yup, just your run of the mill 10 athletes. no biggie.

do you HONESTLY not see the difference? your claim was that someone eating vegan couldn't be active, and nothing could be farther from the truth.

Let me ask. Those you just mentioned do you have any idea how many supplements they took?

That isn't what I would call natural.

naw man....baseball, football, cycling...these are known as the cleanest sports around. No supplement or*ahem* vitamin S there....

originally posted by: BlueMule
ajcn.nutrition.org...

Hey meat eaters, I know you're asking yourselves how you can do more to combat climate change. Well one thing you can do is give up meat.

You can do it. This will help.

www.rd.com...

realitysandwich.com...

[Ex]
What would happen if everyone stopped eating meat? Researchers predict that universal veganism would do a lot in the way of mitigating climate change, would lead to expanse of new land, and reduce the risk of anti-biotic resistant infections.

via Slate:

At least one research team has run the numbers on what global veganism would mean for the planet. In 2009 researchers from the Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency published their projections of the greenhouse gas consequences if humanity came to eat less meat, no meat, or no animal products at all. The researchers predicted that universal veganism would reduce agriculture-related carbon emissions by 17 percent, methane emissions by 24 percent, and nitrous oxide emissions by 21 percent by 2050. Universal vegetarianism would result in similarly impressive reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. What’s more, the Dutch researchers found that worldwide vegetarianism or veganism would achieve these gains at a much lower cost than a purely energy-focused intervention involving carbon taxes and renewable energy technology. The upshot: Universal eschewal of meat wouldn’t single-handedly stave off global warming, but it would go a long way toward mitigating climate change.

The Dutch researchers didn’t take into account what else might happen if everyone gave up meat. “In this scenario study we have ignored possible socio-economic implications such as the effect of health changes on GDP and population numbers,” wrote Elke Stehfest and her colleagues. “We have not analyzed the agro-economic consequences of the dietary changes and its implications; such consequences might not only involve transition costs, but also impacts on land prices. The costs that are associated with this transition might obviously offset some of the gains discussed here.[Ex]

Am I supposed to drink banana shakes? I think a better idea would be for people to stop having 10 kids to combat the overpopulation and diminish the need for more farm land.

Ok, forgive me if it has been addressed. I read the first page only. The op never talked about what was good or necessary for a healthy diet. Just what supposedly was good for the planet. Wierd!!!! Are we talking about cows farting alot....again?

anyways. There are over 25 vitamins and minerals essential for sustainance and health. Only 12 of them found in veggies. You need animal proteins. ESPECIALLY important for men. Soy is a poor protein for men. Lots of estrogen. Turns men into girly men. So, how do you do it? Without becoming a vegetable?

unless you have found some mass evidence to support being a Vegan has some kind of effect on the Sun you are waaaaay off with this thread..... lol

does this mean we need Vegans on all the other planets to stop their climate changes....

thought so......

No... Coming from Alberta, where driving down the highways, at times cows literally are blocking the road just standing there, and roaming around on the sides... There's so much beef out here, how can you not eat it? These aren't cattle that are shoved into a small cage, and treated like s**t. They're like deer.. but more delicious.

originally posted by: captaintyinknots
a reply to: Char-Lee

No I am not really interested in this point. For every vegan athlete you can name, I can list 100 meat eating athletes.

I stand firm in the exact place I started in this thread: what works for one may not work for the other. While some people may do well on a vegan diet, others, like myself, have health problems almost immediately on such a diet.

Do you care to dicuss the potential health risks of going vegan? Or do you understand (as most vegans dont) that different people require different diets?

i'm no sports junkie but i just saw nolan ryan and joe Namath and their new bbq cookbooks.

didn't what's his name have a sandwich maker?

i was vegan but had a burger last week and i am not cold all the time now.

Vegan is good?

Where does all our soya and palm oil come from?

Ban them and we'd be well on the way to reducing our impact on the planet! Not eating sheep raised on upland moors or coastal salt marsh won't make any difference at all. Reversing tropical deforestation will.

a reply to: BlueMule

Veggies make me f@rt more than meat does, so cutting out meat would mean a lot more greenhouse gas wouldn't it?

a reply to: Char-Lee
Yeah sorry, I just get annoyed by people like the OP and Bob, who have it in their heads that everyone can be vegan, and everyone who isn't is evil or something. Best I can do is hunt and fish as much meat as I can myself, and buy local what I need for the rest of the year's meat. I aint buying no meat from wallyworld, that's for sure. I am against factory farms personally, I like to know the cows and chickens I eat lived a good life, rather than being confined to disgusting little pens.

a reply to: Nyiah

A healthy fruit grain and nut/seed bar would provide most of what she needs, we really don't need much to get proper nutrition.

Green Leaves: Believe or not, these babies have sufficient amounts of protein and of extremely high quality, containing all the essential amino acids. They are highly absorbent and will not ferment in the intestines nor poison the body.
Fruits: Some of the fruits containing higher quantities of a protein supply for a vegetarian are -Avocados, Dates, Bananas, Olives
Nuts
Whole Grains
Some root vegetables (such as Sweet Potatoes @ 2% by dry weight.)
Legumes (though not necessarily advocated...are a good protein supply for a vegetarian).

www.disabled-world.com...

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: Bob Sholtz
a reply to: TKDRL

So out of millions of athletes out there, you found ten that are vegan. Congratulations.

oh yes, *just* 10 athletes. the worlds strongest man, and 9 of the greatest athletes sports has ever seen. yup, just your run of the mill 10 athletes. no biggie.

do you HONESTLY not see the difference? your claim was that someone eating vegan couldn't be active, and nothing could be farther from the truth.

Let me ask. Those you just mentioned do you have any idea how many supplements they took?

That isn't what I would call natural.

Most that use supplements use natural supplements like sea weeds...spirulina and other natural vits.

a reply to: captaintyinknots

No I am not really interested in this point. For every vegan athlete you can name, I can list 100 meat eating athletes.

Yes so...the point is made it does not make you a weakly to not eat meat. It does not give you lack of brain function as proved by the great scientists who have been vegetarian or vegan.

a reply to: tsingtao

i was vegan but had a burger last week and i am not cold all the time now.

So one burgar fixed up all your hormonal problems..amazing.

originally posted by: manna2
Ok, forgive me if it has been addressed. I read the first page only. The op never talked about what was good or necessary for a healthy diet. Just what supposedly was good for the planet. Wierd!!!! Are we talking about cows farting alot....again?

anyways. There are over 25 vitamins and minerals essential for sustainance and health. Only 12 of them found in veggies. You need animal proteins. ESPECIALLY important for men. Soy is a poor protein for men. Lots of estrogen. Turns men into girly men. So, how do you do it? Without becoming a vegetable?

This site offers pros and cons of all types diet and is not recommending one over another.

How do Vegetarians get Protein?

Being vegetarian does not mean your diet will be lacking in protein. Most plant foods contain protein and in fact it would be very difficult to design a vegetarian diet that is short on protein.

Moreover, the irony of the whole protein debate is that being overly concerned about sufficient sources of protein for vegetarians may not even be that necessary as it's been proven that excess dietary protein may lead to health problems.

Of course we all need a certain amount of protein everyday to remain healthy. However, based on misinformation to this effect, several people view the daily consumption of a high-protein diet as beneficial and this in itself may actually be wrong.

According to the French Hygienist, Albert Mosseri, diseases and conditions which can be caused or aggravated by too much protein intake include: Leukemia, Skin Diseases and even Cancer.

Based on the John Robbins work titled: Diet for a New America, the number of people in the US suffering from diseases caused by protein excess is a mind-boggling 40,000,000 compared to a measly 3 people suffering from the deficiency of this substance.

Green Leaves: Believe or not, these babies have sufficient amounts of protein and of extremely high quality, containing all the essential amino acids. They are highly absorbent and will not ferment in the intestines nor poison the body.
Fruits: Some of the fruits containing higher quantities of a protein supply for a vegetarian are -Avocados, Dates, Bananas, Olives
Nuts
Whole Grains
Some root vegetables (such as Sweet Potatoes @ 2% by dry weight.)
Legumes (though not necessarily advocated...are a good protein supply for a vegetarian).

www.disabled-world.com...

Every time someone eats meat, they are contributing to the starvation of the world. America has it's head in the sand about many things, and we are running out of time.

Forget the war on drugs. We need a war on meat eaters before they eat us all to death.

a reply to: BlueMule

You want a war with meat eaters? Are you dense? Who do you think has all the guns? Will you be the one to lead the charge tough guy? Extremist psychopathy is strong with you man.

originally posted by: BlueMule
Every time someone eats meat, they are contributing to the starvation of the world. America has it's head in the sand about many things, and we are running out of time.

Forget the war on drugs. We need a war on meat eaters before they eat us all to death.

ok, i get it now.

You, like others in this thread, are trolling.

Gotcha

originally posted by: Char-Lee
a reply to: captaintyinknots

No I am not really interested in this point. For every vegan athlete you can name, I can list 100 meat eating athletes.

Yes so...the point is made it does not make you a weakly to not eat meat. It does not give you lack of brain function as proved by the great scientists who have been vegetarian or vegan.

ummm....ok? I dont recall saying anything different.

Its funny, a handfull of vegans, claiming they are defending their stance, are the ones doing all the attacking here.

Honestly, vegans tend to be some of the most insecure people in the world.

To be clear: I havent seen a single person in this thread tell the vegans that they should eat meat. I do see, however, a group of vegans telling all meat eaters to go off meat. I see a few vegans attacking the very real fact thag some of us simply CANNOT go vegan if we want to live. Calling for war on meat eaters. Heck, I see vegans claiming those of us who have health issues going vegan are liars. I see a lot of bad information being passed, and an outright refusal to admit there are health risks involved in going vegan.

So again, whats your point? Veganism works for some. Not for all.